niyad
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:18 PM
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does anybody besides me wonder who funded that "secret report" that shows that biofuels are |
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responsible for the current food crisis?
can't help but suspect that big oil was behind it.
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truthisfreedom
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:18 PM
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1. Biofuels don't help reduce greenhouse gases, so I'm against them anyway. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:29 PM
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2. Quit making from Corn and other foodstuffs |
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biofuels, as a general category is not really the issue. It's making them from things - especially corn - that are heavily relied on as food. Corn is a heavy feeder - lots of fertilizer - and takes as much oil/gas input as it produces (there might even be a net loss if all costs and inputs are figured). Biofuels can be made from non-food and low input alternative biomass, where it might be beneficial from a true cost and oil input perspective, even if it doesn't lessen CO2 emissions.
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:30 PM
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3. Its no secret. Government subsidies to make food fuel competitive with oil drive up prices for food |
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The fact that it takes more energy to make corn ethanol than you get out is the oil company secret
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unpossibles
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:38 PM
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4. yeah, Big Oil probably does alright with corn-based ethanol |
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what we need are hemp, algae, and other sources.
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Vincardog
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Thu Jul-10-08 04:57 PM
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6. How would that help the Mega AgriBusinesses in Iowa Illinois and Indiana? |
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It shore would not help anyone in Kansas get reelected.
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Thu Jul-10-08 05:30 PM
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8. true, although if we had smarter hemp laws it would |
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that crap can grow almost anywhere.
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Vincardog
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:14 PM
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10. BIG Mega HARM can No allow that. What would happen to the anti-depression and anti-anxiety drugs? |
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Not to mention the cancer fighting potential of chronic.
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Thu Jul-10-08 03:01 PM
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5. Its not biofuels in general, only food-based biofuels are bad for agriculture. Switchgrass is... |
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one of the few viable temporary solutions. Corn-based ethanol is good for nothing (besides subsidies). But in all cases the destruction of forests to create farm land in which to grow the biofuel, counter-balances any positive effect the actual fuel might have on greenhouse gas.
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Thu Jul-10-08 04:59 PM
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7. Yeah, I'm skeptical too. |
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I'm betting the problem is highly inflated in comparison to gas prices and crackdowns on immigration.
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Thu Jul-10-08 05:40 PM
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9. The well respected agricultural policy institute ExxonMobileChevronTexico, of course. |
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