PZ needs our help!

[Fox Mulder]

Christian whackjobs are threatening his job and his life. Read the vile comments here: http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/faith/24313139.html?location_refer=Homepage:latestNews:4

You can read why Christians are attacking him here and here.

The Facebook group to support him is here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18536863233

[ColbertWatcher]

1. Kick and a rec for PZ! n/t

[Fox Mulder]

2. Thank you!

[ColbertWatcher]

3. I always try to check Pharyngula at least once a week.

That PZ is able to teach classes and keep that blog is amazing to me.

Good on him and screw those idiots.

I'm thinking of making a page on the Truthiness Encyclopedia on Communion Wafers, still not sure how to make jokes about it yet...

[Fox Mulder]

4. I had him for a professor when I was in college.

He was my favorite prof...by far. :)

[ColbertWatcher]

5. Wow. Which class? n/t

[Fox Mulder]

6. Genetics.

:)

[and-justice-for-all]

7. What utter nonsense..

it is a fuckin' cracker.

Isn't there more important things catholics could be doing? Oh, wait, those things do not really matter to time. "We must defend the wafer!"

[beam me up scottie]

8. I always wanted to see a real live witch hunt.

How very christian.

I think this is exactly what PZ wanted, btw, and he can handle it (unlike the poor kid who took the first wafer "hostage").

[trotsky]

9. If only Catholics could direct such fearsome energy...

at the buggering priests in their own goddamned churches.

[eallen]

10. I think PZ can handle himself.

[windoe]

11. Insulting something a religion holds sacred is asking for trouble.

I am not taking ideological sides in saying this, just saying: You want trouble??? This is the way to do it.

[OneBlueSky]

12. I agree . . . as a "lapsed" Catholic, I can attest to the reverence that people of that faith . . .

attach to that "frackin' cracker" . . . personally, I don't care one way or the other . . . I just think that attacking a religious symbol that some hold sacred is just needlessly asking for trouble . . . aren't there real issues that this energy could be used to address? . . .

[trotsky]

13. Not much different than the Mohammed/cartoon flap, wouldn't you say?

But I'm willing to bet real money that some of the same people with their underwear in a knot over the communion cracker had a different attitude toward Muslims offended by a cartoon.

This religious sensitivity and its extremist reaction ("death to the infidels!") are the problem. We have a couple of thousand years of history of walking on eggshells around these delicate beliefs with nothing to show for it. Why not give desensitization a try?

[spoony]

15. "Nothing to show for it"

except western civilisation.

[Bill McBlueState]

16. You have some work to do

if you want to make a convincing case that "walking on eggshells around <religious> beliefs" is responsible for western civilization.

[spoony]

25. The bond religion provides, as well as its much maligned

organisational capabilities, are responsible for the civilisation we know. While I doubt that a few handfuls of petulant children playing pranks with wafers could one way or another change anything, the fact remains that religious cohesion shaped this world.

[Evoman]

42. Yeah, it's all about cohesion until somebody remakes American Pie with a communion wafer.

[SidDithers]

48. If there's one word that I think about....

when describing religions, and religious sects and factions, it's "cohesion".

Sid

[varkam]

58. Zing! eom

[beam me up scottie]

53. Yes, lynch mobs are really underrated.

You're right of course, why just look at yourself, spoony, religion shaped you and look how you turned out!

A walking talking clone of Jesus right here on DU.

[trotsky]

63. Harassed and hounded, of course, by Satan's minions.

How ya doin', fellow minion? :hug:

[beam me up scottie]

67. As evil as ever, my friend.

:hug:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. I see you are avoiding the Mohammed cartoons analogy like the plague. -nt

[spoony]

22. Not at all, see my reply to your bewildered colleague further down

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

26. You say NOTHING about the subject.

Just more "he was looking for trouble blah blah blah." Am I to assume you are equally unsympathetic to the cartoonists and newspaper people in the cartoon case?

[spoony]

33. I'm sympathetic to the people who died. Do let me know if any do in this case.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

36. I'll take that as a yes. -nt

[varkam]

59. So people need to die before you'll decry nuttery?

How, erm, sympathetic of you.

[trotsky]

38. Ah yes because the principles of democracy, individual liberty, and religious freedom...

are so prevalent in the bible and koran. :eyes:

[sudopod]

27. He wants trouble.

He's trying to prove a point...well, he already has.

[spoony]

14. In other words, he went looking for trouble, found it, is now whining.

The guy's a total nutter. He'd fit in well in R/T but not so much...polite society.

[Evoman]

18. Atheists should start threatening the lives of christians too.

Here we are, just criticizing you guys, when we should be making death threats and in some cases following through.

Threaten to stop teaching evolution. FUCKING BAM BAM BAM!!!

Christians looking for trouble by interjecting their faith where it's not wanted. DEATH TO THE NON-INFIDEL. BAM!

I mean, if christians can keep making death threats for us making fun of their crackers...fair is fair, right?

[spoony]

21. If you kick over some motorcycles then walk into their bar

You know damn well what will happen. He intentionally is playing the victim after agitating a mass (Pun intended) audience with the inevitability in mind that unstable people would emerge to make "threats." If you want to also act like a nutter, go for it. But it's a boring show for sane people, especially those who see cheap and meaningless publicity stunts for what they are. You are dismissed.

[Evoman]

24. Ah, peace loving christians. You kick their crackers, and they take a pool cue to you.

I guess your lucky your the majority, huh?

[spoony]

30. You aren't very good at this, are you?

Maybe you missed it. Here, I'll help you. People like PZ, and many DUers, like to find isolated instances of "religious" people misbehaving and argue errors of conflation from there. PZ, unlike said DUers, is a proactive sort and stirred the pot inviting any and all unstable (remember I mentioned them? Go ahead...go back and read it again...I'll wait...) people to "threaten" him so he can get that conflation going like a right boiler. One can do the same with any group of people. RWers do it all the time. Offend a group intentionally, throw out rational objections, keep the nutters, show off the nutters, claim they represent the group so your prejudice seems justifiable. It's an old, stale trick and here I thought it only worked on gullible Limbaugh types.

You are, truly, dismissed.

[Evoman]

35. Oh, I get it just fine. I just find it hard to wrap my mind around the fact that

all it takes to get the boiler going in this case is doing bad things to a motherfucking cracker.

[sudopod]

28. So you're saying religion = a violent biker gang? nt

[spoony]

32. I find it amusing that for all the blustering about Biblical literalists,

the typical specimen of online anti-theist is so utterly dreary as to either truly think something like that, or to try to pass it off without even the slightest ingenuity, hoping I guess that the reader will be as easily fooled as they claim to be (or, worse, are).

[trotsky]

39. You sure are a ball of sunshine, aren't you?

You set such a wonderful Christlike example of insulting people you don't like. You got caught with a bad analogy, and now rather than admit it, you just hurl insult and invective. Jesus must be proud.

[sudopod]

47. I'm a Missionary Baptist, LOL.

There is never a justification for a death threat. This response just goes to prove PZ's point and drive people away from God.

"Love thy neighbor as thy self" is holy law straight from the mouth of Christ. Who are we to over rule it, especially in the name of the Lord?

[beam me up scottie]

52. ROFLMAO!!!

Thank you, I so needed that laugh today! :toast:

[charlie]

54. HEY!

It's you! And in fine form too. I'm really glad to see you again :hi:

Stay awhile, DU is like it's just banging on 3 cylinders when you're not around :D

[beam me up scottie]

55. HEY back!

I was hoping you were here. Your timing, as usual, is impeccable!

I think I will hang out more often since the primaries are over, thank you.

I love you, charlie.

[charlie]

56. Aww

You're making me squirmy :D (I think the world of you, too)

A (big) little surprise you might not have seen:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=110062

[beam me up scottie]

57. Shut Up! Christmas came early on DU!

You can't see me but I'm doing the Snoopy dance on my coffee table right now!

[charlie]

60. I was dumbstruck

It was like finding a 5-year rash had suddenly cleared up. I thought he was forever, like herpes.

He used the bedlam of GD-P as cover to go completely mental. It worked, too. He just didn't bother to switch off when GD-P did. Now he's elsewhere using the same name. As a freshly minted Independent. For McCain. MCCAIN :rofl:

[beam me up scottie]

66. I did not see that coming.

McCain?

:wtf:

[trotsky]

62. Whoa! I hadn't seen that one either!

There is justice in the world.

[charlie]

64. You didn't feel a great disturbance in the Force?

As if millions of voices suddenly cried out... "WAY TO FUCKING GO SKINNER! YEEEEAH BABY!!!"

[trotsky]

65. LMAO

And I thought it was just gas!

[beam me up scottie]

68. LOL!

:rofl:

[sudopod]

71. I LOL'D HEARTILY nt

[Fox Mulder]

74. So now he deserves death threats and threats about getting him fired?

:eyes:

[Blue-Jay]

17. Pia Zadora?

[anonymous171]

20. Anytime hardcore atheists and the Catholic League are involved in a dispute

stupidity will abound. Fuck all of them (that includes you Donahue.)

[EOTE]

23. Hard core atheists? Like those ones who kill others who don't believe like them?

I can't say I've ever seen one of those.

[anonymous171]

31. Thank you for putting words in my mouth.

I was just saying that this whole situation is one big collection of stupidity and hubris mixed together and I hate everyone involved.

[EOTE]

51. No words put in your mouth.

I've never seen a hardcore atheist. Either that or I don't know what one is. The religious have been killing in the name of their religion for thousands of years. No atheist has ever perpetrated genocide in the name of atheism.

[spoony]

34. Not a history student, apparently.

[EOTE]

50. Yep. I missed all those periods in history where

those hardcore atheists went around killing those who didn't believe as they did. Damn, I should get a learnin'.

[BigDaddy44]

45. How many Catholics have you seen doing that?

And please, recently. The world has changed since the Crusades.

[EOTE]

49. That may be so, but when have you ever seen an atheist doing that?

Now it's just those 'fringe' christians. You know, the ones blowing up abortion clinics and voting republican.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. Spain (1936 - 39). Northern Ireland. Rwanda.

Vietnam. To name a few in the 20th century.

[beam me up scottie]

69. We don't need your stinkin facts here, bub.

:hi:

[trotsky]

40. So a "hardcore atheist" is someone who doesn't show proper reverence to a religious symbol?

Care to clarify? What is acceptable behavior for an atheist, in your opinion? And what crosses the line into "hardcore" territory?

[anonymous171]

41. I'm talking about the entire situation.

I really don't give a shit about the religious symbol. It's more about how over dramatic everyone is being.

[Evoman]

43. Over dramatic about the cracker or about the death threats?

[anonymous171]

44. The situation:

People Feeding the Troll (The Catholic League) vs People Defending the Troll

In the end, only the Troll wins. It's like a combination of the Muhammad cartoon controversy and the University of Florida tasing incident.

[trotsky]

46. I'd still like some clarification on what makes someone a "hardcore" atheist.

Can you provide that?

[Critters2]

70. Yeah, hard to know who to cheer for.

Better to just watch the fun!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. "Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain

Or, in this case, Sacred Crackers make the best birdfeed.

[anonymous171]

37. Catholics need to remember the golden rule:

Never feed trolls.

[sudopod]

72. PZ Meyers really needs an encyclopedia dramatica entry

5 bux says he spends time at anonymous' house, lol.

[dsc]

73. So what do Catholics do with unused Communion

most Protestants simply feed it to the birds.