Vince Bugliosi on MSNBC

[H2O Man]

Coming up soon on the Morning Show.

[spanone]

1. thanks

[H2O Man]

3. It started out well.

Vince is sparring with Joe about the lack of time he is being given. Now he is doing what he does best.

[mmonk]

2. Thanks for the heads up.

[H2O Man]

5. He is doing well.

Sending 50 copies with a cover letter to the state attorneys. He is also nailing Cheney and Rice.

[JHB]

4. Give us cube-rats a summary when it's done.

Better yet if there's a link to it or a transcript.

[H2O Man]

8. There should be a

transcript later today.

Vince Bugliosi is showing that Bush knowingly lied to the public, and withheld intelligence reports that documented that Iraq did not pose any threat to the US. Joe is making the error of trying to argue with him, based on emotion. Vince has his facts laid out.

[malaise]

34. Thanks

Looking forward to the transcript -missed it.

[VeraAgnes]

36. Bugliosi appeared to refer to Joe as Mike.......

which, was all Joe had to use against Bugliosi.........one could sense/feel the insulting tone Joe was oozing and hinted at that oversight to mislead the audience into maybe thinking Bugliosi was stupid or foolish. I think Bugliosi needs to contain his anger and channel it, because he is absolutely on target.

I liked how Bugliosi said, "He may of had WMD's but it didn't suggest he was going to use them". HUGE POINT....for the worse case scenario if there really were ANY WMD's......

Bush Co..... Lied! No way around it.

[H2O Man]

37. He was speaking

to Mike Barnicle.

[Atman]

6. Of course, Joe is doing his best to defend Bush.

Joe is outraged that a war criminal might actually have to answer for his crimes.

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[H2O Man]

10. Joe looks weak.

Of course, he is. It is impossible to defend Bush on this, especially when he is up against Bugliosi.

[Catchawave]

33. He's playing devil's advocate

which is why it's such a great interview! Joe doesn't lob softballs :D

[Dinger]

7. This Is Awesome, Just WOW

Hope it's on You Tube. Damn!

[H2O Man]

14. Outstanding.

Vince just said to Joe, "Oh, you know I'm wrong, but you haven't read the book."

Joe said what Vince is doing is "dangerous."

[Dinger]

15. Sweet, Sweet As Hell!

Damn, that was FUN!!!!!!!!

[Clark2008]

42. Dangerous?

To who?

The ruling elite, like Joe?

[TexasObserver]

9. Joe's pissing his pants over it. Bugliosi needs to tone it down a notch.

His delivery is a little too excited. It undercuts his points.

[H2O Man]

17. Vince has seemed

a bit angry in recent years. In this case, I think his anger is a good thing. But I agree that he could communicate better if he was a little less excited. That was what Joe hoped he could provoke.

[Dinger]

22. Joe Lost That Fight IMO (nt)

[JHB]

26. Good. But now it needs to be repeated over and over, talked about on the pundit shows...

...talked about in newspaper stories "covering the controversy", etc.

Or it can just be "Joe gets smacked" one day then off to cover Teen Queen Aska Nebraska or some such... :mad:

[H2O Man]

27. I agree.

His only tactic was to appeal to emotion, to try to avoid facts. His goal was to make Vince Bugliosi angry, so that he could dismiss the book as the rantings of an angry man. He couldn't debate the facts.

Bugliosi certainly won. And it was a pleasure -- an absolute pleasure -- to watch.

[TexasObserver]

35. Yeah, Joe wanted him to look crazy, and he kinda did.

Vince should know that a measured, calm delivery is the only way to sell murder against a sitting president. He could have let the facts be remembered, but instead, his demeanor and inability to keep Joe's name straight will be remembered.

Chalk one up for Joe and his RNC buddies. He's one of the most effective RNC spinners out there, mainly because he understands how to shape stories without being overt.

[H2O Man]

46. Strongly disagree.

I don't think that anyone except those who think like Joe could possibly see that as a "victory" for him.

[Dinger]

18. Bugliosi Is Doing Just Fine. He Needs To Keep It Up!

I'm gettin' that book too!

[Nipper1959]

11. Kicking Ass

Bugliosi is puuting forward a great case amd Joe looks like the shill that he is.

[Dinger]

12. Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick, Kick...

joe & mike are gettin' it good. Bugliosi says they like bu$h, etc. Gooooooood stuff!

[spanone]

13. don't you love how they are laughing at him.

now they got vincent OFF the show they will humiliate and disregard everything he said

[Dinger]

23. Well, Their Little Effort Was A Dismal Failure (nt)

[Riddler]

16. Hey Joe, take off you Bush-worship knee pads and realize that if you're not going to like the answer

don't ask the damn question.

[itsrobert]

19. Joe and Mike and MSNBC do hatchet job on him in the end

They did all there clever techniques turning off his camera/mic and started a belittling of this guy. They than showed him again for a quick second and laugh at him.

[Dinger]

25. Thank You joe scarborough

Something tells me Bugliosi will be on other shows too. This is the first I've seen him on television. There'll be more appearances,
so, thank you joe!

[H2O Man]

31. Today I'm working

on an op-ed for a regional newspaper, which will focus on the mainstream media's efforts to ignore or simply dismiss the book. Bugliosi has a record as a top prosecutor, and as a best-selling author. Yet there is an effort to bury the new book. There are a lot of Americans who appreciate that with the rights granted by Amendment 1, there are also responsibilities. In this case, people should read the book, no matter if they are democrats, republicans, or belong to other/no political party.

[Atman]

20. Joes doesn't seem to understand that the people who BELIEVED the lies...

...were "going along with Bush" BECAUSE of the LIES. He's can't seem to separate the issue -- all the intelligence said there were WMD because Bush was lying! "You fucked up, you believed me" is NOT a defense, Joe.

Holy shit, that man is stupid. Also, couldn't understand that "WMD" is NOT a reason for war. There has to be an imminent threat to the country. There wasn't and Bush knew it.

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[mmonk]

21. Too bad they pushed the canard at the end that all intelligence

agencies around the world believed he had weapons of mass destruction. Vince was about to show documentation to refute that when they went to commercial.

[yasmina27]

24. Holy cow!

Damn them, they're making fun of him. "Can we go to the Vince Cam? He's still talking!" Then they showed a shot of what looked like the same shot of him holding up the same White Paper he referenced during the interview. Did anyone record it? Is there any way to find out if this was a valid shot of VB trying to continue speaking, or if it was a way to try to discredit him?

I thought his interview was great. Only thing is that he didn't say anything new to those of us who have followed the criminal-in-chief's rush to war. I specifically remember the White Paper and the comments about painting a U2 as a UN plane to provoke Saddam. I haven't read the book yet, and don't think I can. Every time I read something about the false evidence, etc. to con the sheeple, I get nauseated, angry, and tearful.

[Dinger]

28. C'mon, Let's Send This To The Greatest Page!

Pretty please:)

[yasmina27]

29. Done! n/t

[kentuck]

30. GUILTY !!!

[Dinger]

32. Ouch! My eyes! My Eyes!

*************PRIMAL SCREAM*************

[bdamomma]

39. not so early in the morning.

:puke: world's biggest a$$hole.

[Stinky The Clown]

38. Well ....... that went well .................. NOT

Scarborough and Barnicle having frat boy fun at Bugliosi's expense. How cute. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Then, the normal avoidance argument: "Well, John Edwards believed it. Hillary Clinton believed it. John Kerry believed it. Congress believed it." No one ever jumps in and says "THEY WERE LIED TO JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE WERE LIED TO."

[H2O Man]

40. I wouldn't expect

the folks on the MSNBC Morning Show to behave any other way. But I think it went very well.

[spanone]

44. i agree. just having bugliosi on the joe show is an accomplishment.

[Patchuli]

45. It amazes me how they seem to think

that just because people bought *'s lies, that then exonerates the liar and makes it OK. What a stupid game! The fact remains, a POTUS lied the country into war and THAT'S the bottom line that needs to be hammered home above the RW obfuscation games.

[DS1]

41. It's sad when DU applauds a fight with an irrelevant shit like Joe S. as a win

So what?

He should be in front of those useless chickenshit fucks in Congress

[leftchick]

43. I disagree

they are certainly not chicken shits in congress. They are merely doing their part by being complicit in bushcrimes and covering it up so the Corporate/MIC dollars continue to flow. Courage has nothing to do with it. Power and Greed and a one party system do.

[H2O Man]

47. Bugliosi is advocating

the criminal prosecution of the president, hence the Congress would have zero involvement. As he notes in the book, they have failed to hold the administration responsible for their crimes and abuses of power in the civil court process known as impeachment.

I think that people are primarily interested in Bugliosi being on MSNBC's morning show, because he is beginning to get some exposure for his new book. As a former prosecutor with a high rate of convictions in murder cases, who is also the author of the best-selling "true" crime book, it would seem that more of the media should give him some coverage. When a former republican congressman attempts to dismiss the book, many DUers enjoy watching Bugliosi respond and explain why the book is important. It provides a wider audience with an opportunity to hear about a book they will not otherwise know has been published. The "sad" part of this isn't that DUers enjoyed watching the segment this morning.

[roguevalley]

48. Vince laid smack on Charlie Manson so I doubt dough boys like

Joe and Mike scare him. (God, I remember that time) Buy the book and circulate it. Its an amazingly one sitting read.

[H2O Man]

49. It is the best book

that I've read in a long time. I've bought copies for other people, as well. And I encourage everyone to read it.

[rosesaylavee]

51. Put a hold on this

at my local library. This is a book I have to read. Was surprised that my local library system had an copies available throughout the area and they are all 'out' at the moment. Very gratified that there is a developing queue to read it!

[stellanoir]

50. Here is the video

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25640870#25640870

Ughhh

Joe is a skank.

I only sought it out for Vince.

Don't buy cable but am always happy for your reports.

[Dinger]

52. Kick (nt)

[pacalo]

53. Just saw the video. Here's the link...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25640870#25640870

I thought Bugliosi did great with the small amount of time he was given due to Scarborough's constant interruptions. I don't think he came off as angry, considering the seriousness of the information he was trying to get into the time he was allowed.

[Senator]

54. YouTube Version Up In DU Political Videos Thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x156897

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

55. Kickity kick!!!!! I just watched the video at Political Videos! Wow!!!!