A request: No negative posting about Tony Snow for the next few days

[Ken Burch]

The guy died way too young, whatever you think of his politics.

This is probably hitting his family hard.

I just hope we can agree, as I assume we will, to do the decent thing and lay off for a bit.

After all, he was just the messenger.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. I am really hoping they don't canonize him

I think that's what caused a lot of the bad Tim Russert posts.

[Ken Burch]

10. It would be used against us if we demonized him.

He was neither god nor demon. Just a man. The problem is the system, not any one person.

[The Stranger]

48. We need to stop having our actions dictated by what will supposedly "be used against us."

If someone was horribly misguided, deceitful, untruthful, and complicit in any number of possible violations of law at the highest level, then that is what and who they are. Or were.

Nothing someone posts on an internet board is going to change that one way or the other.

[arcadian]

52. Agreed.

This board is hailed by some as the bearer of the light and by others as a subversive hornets nest. No one event will sway people into either camp. Most people firmly believe in one or the other.

[alarimer]

74. Why should we say nice things about someone just because they are dead?

Especially if they do not deserve them. I have no strong feelings about Snow one way or another; he was just a deceitful Bush mouthpiece like all the rest.

[tabasco]

77. Hell yeah. Everybody dies.

Dying doesn't change what a person chose to be or do during his life.

A person like Tony Snow should be vilified in life and death.

[liberalla]

17. You know they will,

and it'll be contentious and way more partisan than Russert.

[MiniMe]

33. I think that part of the difference is that it is not unexpected about Tony

Russert was out of the blue, and a real shock to everybody. They have both died, and may they RIP.

[Syrinx]

2. he died?

I hate the grave dancers. I didn't know he died.

[tekisui]

3. Fat chance of that.

Nice try to head it off, though.

[Tab]

4. I liked Tony a lot more than that snake Scott McClellan

or airhead Dana Perino

So Tony worked for Fox - a lot of newspeople found themselves bought up by Fox.

Tony was gracious and charming and engaging, and didn't come off as deceptive (unlike Scott).

It's sad to die so relatively young, and leave a family behind - what was it, three children? If I did the math right, at least two of them are under 18.

No, no need to hate on Tony Snow.

[ikojo]

11. Tony Snow was a long time propagandist for the

Republican party. He was a frequent guest host for Rush Limbaugh when Rush was on vacation. He was not a good man who found himself in the Fox juggernaut. He was sought out by Murdoch and then Bush precisely because of his success at propaganda on the Rush Limbbaugh show.

When Rush Limbaugh finally buys it will he too suddenly become a "good man?" I DON'T THINK SO.

[Ken Burch]

14. You don't have to love the guy. Just don't gloat about his death.

That kind of stuff actually WILL be used against us.

And the problem was the whole Administration, and the whole political and economic system we live under, not the White House press secretary. If you demonize the individual you fall into their trap.

It's the LIVING you should be enraged at.

[ikojo]

19. I am enraged with the living breathing administration

I also don't think death makes someone a saint. Tony Snow should be held to account on how he lived his dash....

Copy and paste has been disabled so I hope people will go to the site to read the Dash Poem....

http://www.pryor.com/mkt_info/products/dashpoem.asp

[Ken Burch]

20. Not a saint. Just a man.

A man whose family now mourn.

Hate Rove and Bush and those who still do the despicable work. And channel your hatred into getting this despicable party out of power. Hating a dead man isn't worth your time.

[Prophet 451]

15. McClellan is trying to redeem himself

Leaving the book aside, he voluntarily testified to Conyers. That strikes me as a man looking for redemption.

[snot]

38. tony misled about life and death matters.

if it wasn't knowlingly, it certainly could have, should have been known by him. i don't believe anyone's absolutely evil; but i'm glad i wasn't him.

[kstewart33]

5. He was a good man.

It's very sad.

[malaise]

7. Oh Please n/t

[burythehatchet]

26. See, that is exactly the kind of remark that opens the floodgates for animosity

By what measure was he a "good man"?

[kenny blankenship]

35. He was a saint,

a prince.

[SparkyMac]

6. Cancer is far worse than any of our political enemies n/t

[ikojo]

9. Any debilitating illness is bad.

AIDS is bad.
MS is bad.
ALS is bad.

[Name removed]

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[Ken Burch]

16. It's Rove you'd rightly make the Goebbels comparison to, not Snow.

Rove and Goebbels CREATED the propaganda. Snow and whoever was the Snow of the Reich just repeated it.

[Fumesucker]

31. That would be Lord Haw Haw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw_Haw

Joyce was captured by British forces in northern Germany just as the war ended, tried, and eventually hanged for treason on January 3, 1946.

[Ken Burch]

66. Still, in this case, Lord Haw Haw is dead and Goebbels has just caught the red eye for Buenos Aires

(no actually, he can't go there now, they have a left-of-center democratic government)or Paraguay(damn, same thing) and Texas isn't actually a separate country yet so he can't go there...

[Prophet 451]

12. Deal n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. Hey, my husband has had liver problems himself

So I understand a bit about what his family is going through.

[Fumesucker]

18. Both my parents died of cancer

So I have a great deal of sympathy for the family..

That being said: Tony Snow = Tokyo Rose and Lord Haw Haw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw_Haw

[Jane Eyre]

21. My Republican brother died at age 42

We never agreed on politics, but I loved him no less for it. He died unexpectedly in 2006 of an undiagnosed heart condition. He had no health insurance at the time and left three children, all under the age of 18.

Death knows no politics, and neither does love or human decency. There is no better time to demonstrate our love for our fellow humans than upon the passing of another, especially if we disagreed upon much in this life. My sincere condolences to Tony Snow's family.

Having said that, the untimely death of my brother stirred me to work even harder to work for universal health care for all. I will also thank those who worked so hard to keep Social Security from being privatized since my niece and nephews were benficiaries of the system. I believe that a fitting legacy in Tony Snow's memory is to continue the fight for universal health care and a cure for cancer so that other families will not be saddened by such an untimely death.

[Ken Burch]

22. My condolences on your brother's cruelly untimely passing

And I salute you for finding meaning in that loss by working for a better country.

[ray of light]

23. absolutely Right. Great post! If this were kos--I'd recommend YOUR post .

Ultimately, the same 'side of the aisle' that wants to dismantle social security, wic, get it. And though they prevent social programs like UHC (singlepayer), it ends up costing their family just like it costs our family.

My condolences to your family on your brother's death too.

[JohnnyLib2]

45. My condolences as well, and thank you for this post.

I had the odd realization some years ago that most of the physicians involved in my family members' cancer treatment were/are Republicans.
That's like a bit of trivia in the bigger picture of life and death.

[Name removed]

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[BlueManDude]

25. My hated for Russert really emerged after he died - I feel nothing about Snow.

Yeah - Snow was a propagandist for the RW but that was his job. No one mistook him for being an objective observer/analyst. Best wishes to his family.



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[RayOfHope]

27. "Just the messenger"? While my condolences go out to his family

and I hope his final days were as peaceful and painless as possible, he was a very willing participant and firm believer in all the crap buscho has been selling us.

This hardly makes him 'just the messenger'.

[Ken Burch]

37. Ok. Look at it this way then:

The war would have happened with him or without him.

It's the system, not any one person.

[baby_mouse]

40. Ah.

Well, you can say that about any of them, really, if you're going to attribute some form of inevitability to warfare.

[Ken Burch]

41. Well, the inevitability of THIS administration getting THIS war at THIS time.

I loathed what Snow stood for, but it's ridiculous for anyone to think that he was personally responsible for this nightmare.
There were too many people with too much power who were jonesing for it.

[baby_mouse]

44. Yeah, true enough.

I was just wary there. Discussions of warfare do attract people who like to think that it just happens somehow and nobody's responsible.

[lib2DaBone]

28. Just one small Snark?

Aww.. 'cmon... can't I have just one small Snark? Sorry.. suffering form 10 years of FNR Syndrome (Fox-News-Rage)

[Hav]

29. Agreed.

Plus, we also have a very popular Dem Senator right now who is going through cancer treatment.

[Horse with no Name]

30. Isn't it wonderful how they have not trashed Kennedy?

Oh wait...they have.
Sorry. I was mistaken. Carry on.

[Name removed]

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[Ken Burch]

36. Agreed, of course.

The war would have happened whether or not Snow was there, however.

It's the system, not one man.

[truth2power]

76. "It's the system, not one man."

So if Karl Rove died tomorrow, would he be given a pass because "the system" is f'd up?

People are accountable for their actions. Tony Snow was complicit. No one put a gun to his head and said he had to work for a gang of criminals. He could have taken a different path in life and used his talents to work for human rights and social justice. He didn't. He was content to carry water for what is indisputably the most monstrous administration, EVER, in the history of America. That is his legacy. It is what it is.

[Binka]

43. Dear Lord That Photo

That baby must be six or seven, and she is wearing what probably was her favorite purple fuzzy sweater, and she was bombed to death in it. I have a seven year old and I CAN NOT imagine the horror and grief that father must have felt holding her in his arms.

Sorry NO sympathy for Snow. For her, yes.

[Cheap_Trick]

57. Snow and people like him are responsible for scenes like that

Karma's a bitch.

[Binka]

68. Yep! That Poor Beautiful Little Darlin'

Tony has his name all over her. God might be merciful, me not so much. :cry:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

34. Skinner has also written a post on this subject.

Read it over here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3604935&mesg_id=3604935

[baby_mouse]

42. Just for the record, I really wish he hadn't.

I also really wish he hadn't given the mods the instructions he did. I suspect it will have unforeseen and interesting consequences.

[KG]

39. ok, no negative stuff about a willing propagandist for the most evil admin in US history.

wouldn't be seemly. :eyes:

[riverdale]

46. This is why people call liberals wusses

Do you really think Tony Snow's family is gonna log onto Dem Underground to read all these tearful condolences?

[Missy Vixen]

47. We're "wusses" because we have manners?

Then again, I forgot: It's important to give the Keyboard Kommandos their due. After all, those who believe that perhaps it's best to act in an adult manner when confronted with things like others' mortality are now in the minority.

Those of us who've actually lost a loved one may not have thought much of the politics of the man in question, but can appreciate the grief of his family and friends.

Julie

[riverdale]

53. Yes

Then again, I forgot: It's important to give our Republican overlords the utmost respect.

[Missy Vixen]

60. No. It's important to recognize that one is human.

Refusing to piss on someone else's grave does not make one a "wuss" or bowing down to "our Republican overlords". It's embarrassing to read the written stylings of those who think poop flinging is appropriate personal expression when someone else dies.

The more I read this crap, the more I wonder about the backgrounds and personal lives of some who post here. If there are those who think I'm weak, so be it. It reminds me of postings I've seen on the FReak board. Those folks are planning on defiling Jimmy Carter's grave. What makes us any different?

Julie

[OnTheOtherHand]

62. "written stylings"

I hope I remember that.

[Binka]

69. Remember As In I Hope I Never Post Such Retched Tripe Myself?

I had to read that post three times, and I still could not comprehend "written stylings". :wtf: Somebody obviously needs a writing coach. Full of angst and constipated the poster needs help. The message is loaded with shit too.

[riverdale]

72. Overfilled with shit

You losing one of your loved ones has jack shit to do with the world being relieved of one more right wing hack. Why do all these dumbasses feel they need to extend their condolences regarding a person they never met (who was not a good person), to the person's family, whom they will also never meet.

[OnTheOtherHand]

73. maybe you need to spend more time outdoors? n/t

[KurtNYC]

49. I don't see what difference age makes

There are no guarantees in this life except that it will end.

No one reading this thread should believe that they will live to 74 or whatever the average life expectancy supposedly is. If there is something you want to do -- DO IT.

Don't postpone joy.

[gateley]

50. Skinner has posted a thread with the same request. Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3604935&mesg_id=3604935

[gateley]

51. I was surprised to hear this.

When he was on -- was it Bill Maher? -- he looked pretty good, and was well enough to piss me off (as he consistently did in his healthier days). :)

My thoughts to his family and friends, and may he rest in peace.

[lunatica]

54. Bush should die so everyone can finally say he's the greatest Pesident ever!

We all know that death changes everything. Lie, shill and partake of the dismantling of the Constitution and it's all absolved upon your death.

Go ahead. Delete me so Du doesn't look a little like jerks.

[Olney Blue]

55. And he is a fellow American and human being, regardless of his politics.

[stimbox]

59. Just barely.

He's just a "number."

[MedleyMisty]

56. Why all this concern for Russert and Snow

but none for Carlin or Helms? I tend to be rather suspicious when people aren't consistent. Either every freshly dead person is a saint or the real issue isn't that they just died but rather something else.

Do you guys regularly send hate mail to websites about the Darwin Awards? That's certainly not worshiping the dead.

[mdmc]

58. request approved

God bless him, his friends, and family. Thanks for the OP. Peace and low stress

[HEyHEY]

61. Good luck with that. n/t

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

63. Reminder to get those colonoscopies, guys and gals.

He died of colon cancer.

[BlooInBloo]

64. A truly great American passed. So giving and caring about everybody in this country.

[Occulus]

83. DUzy. n/t

[Raster]

65. No Ken, he was not "just the messenger."

When the message is such an obvious distortion of the truth, he is not just the messenger.

When the message is used to fabricate reasons for an illegal and immoral war whose purpose exists to enrich the wealthy, he is not just the messenger.

When the message is the cause of over 4,000 American deaths and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths, he is not just the messenger.

Tony Snow, 53, died after a battle with colon cancer. Father, husband and friend to many. May he rest in peace.

Tony Snow, mouthpiece and frontman for the most profane criminal enterprise to ever darken Washington, D.C., was not just the messenger, he was a willing, paid participant.

[Binka]

70. As A Mother Who Almost Lost A Beloved Son In Iraq And As A Loving Person

I kiss your feet Raster. I mean that in the kindest way. Kisses and blessings. Ben is still with us, too many are not.

[Raster]

78. Thank you, Binka. I followed your postings about Ben. I am truly thankful

your son lived and is able to continue his life. Bless you both. And you are so right, many are not with us today. No one should have ever lost a loved one in this illegal and immoral war. This wasn't about ideology and making the world a better place. It wasn't about the safety and security of the United States. It was about money. And power. And greed. And the safety and security of the Texas-American Petroleum Mafia and its partner-in-hell, the Military/Industrial Complex. I will not yield to the apologists and collaborators, and yes, accomplices. The OUTRIGHT FUCKING EVIL that bush* and cheney* and their minions have done will take decades to correct. And then there are things that can never be corrected and the lives that can never be replaced. I appreciate a bit of decorum and empathy, because although I am a S.O.B., I am not a tactless S.O.B. But beyond common courtesy, my empathy and patience ends. Those that enable these evil bastards are JUST AS RESPONSIBLE and SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE. And I will tolerate none of this revisionist bullshit. Tony Snow, rest in peace if you can. History will not remember you kindly.

[Occulus]

82. Is he still safe and sound?

Is is even possible that he will ever go back?

[upi402]

79. well i suppose he DID get paid to lie and enable mass murder

but i wont hold that against him. we all make lil boo-boos sometimes.

he had such nice hair afterall.

[Duncan Grant]

67. How is it that DU is so uninformed about Tony Snow?

You do know that Tony Snow was raising money for GOP candidates while serving as press secretary, right? This was a first in the history of the position.

Tony Snow, just the messenger?! Don't you believe it.

[EbenezerMcIntosh]

71. He was a more than willing messenger.

And a lying dipshit, too. Oops!

[truth2power]

75. Isn't "he was just the messenger" just another way of saying

"he (I) was just following orders"?

Didn't work too well for the Nazis. Just sayin'

[Zhade]

80. Uh, his enabling helped murder a million Iraqis.

Request DENIED.

[Occulus]

81. You mean I *don't* get to say he publicly defended the actions of a murderous sociopath? n/t

[tekisui]

84. Is the mourning period over yet?

Can we say he was the best liar the War Criminals had, now?