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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:45 AM Original message |
GM, Ford and Chrysler all had prototype 5-passenger cars that got 72 mpg, 10 YEARS AGO!!! |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. people will start to realize |
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sentelle (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. Is that how you read it? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. The auto companies were probably under a lot of pressure from oil companies to drop it. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. but, but, but - it's peak oil! why do they want us to use more?!!! |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 04:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I doubt the oil companies had anything to do with it |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Cost was another reason... |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. No car company ... in the U.S. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Profitable crazies run by people that care less about their stock price |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. You should've read down to the end. 3rd Gen proto only $7500 more than production '98 car |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Actually, the final Intrepid hybrid model was under $30,000 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. "The profit from making a all-electric car would be the same as from a gasoline-powered car..." |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. That's routine maintenence, not production costs. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. but the auto compnies make A LOT off of the parts for maintenence. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I intend to ... |
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Bunkie0913 (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
52. I watched that just yesterday |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Unfortunately there is much less profit in an all electric car. Watch the film |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. There is probably no smoking gun that is a secret memo |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
46. I believe you are wrong! The big auto makers and the Petroleum Mafia have been in collusion |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. iow -- short term gain wins out over long term survival. in the end the best (Japanese) cars won. |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. wonder how it's working out for them? |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. WALL STREET QUARTERLY OBSESSION DRIVES EVERYTHING |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. . |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
5. the "downfall" is planned, & the workers' suffering is precisely the result desired. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Yes, because car manufacturers will be the biggest beneficiaries |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Not sure how you got "total economic collapse" from what I said. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I think it has more to do with the U.S.'s lack of national health care. |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. Yes they would benefit! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
59. No |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Not total, but the auto companies would actually stand to make a bundle |
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curious one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 04:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. we have the technology but lost the chance to dominate the market. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
9. The only thing that could save them now would be a 150 MPG 4 WD Hybrid pickup |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. B.S. - A 50 mpg 5-passenger crossover would sell by the millions |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. A 2700 lb AWD hybrid would be ridiculously tiny. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Read the link to the Dodge Intrepid Hybrid in the original post |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Oh god... turbo and supporting plumbing alone does not weigh another few hundred pounds. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I was adding some weight for proper steel subframes. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. If it's so easy to shed a half ton from a car's weight... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 07:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Composites are expensive to produce and -- particularly -- to repair. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
55. Well... close |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
13. Diesels and fuel cells would not have been the solution |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. This makes me so damn mad I could break something..nt |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
22. Uhoh--KILL THAT PROJECT!!--and take the Electric Car with you! |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
29. I remember the ESX-3. It was all plastic. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
30. That's what I'm talking about... |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
32. K/R. Required reading for the GM sycophants here. n/t |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. And here's something for the Toyota suck-ups, too |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
35. Things changed with the Caspian Region bust of '01 |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
37. Yes it is sad. And sad to have learned about rail tracks ripped out of our cities too. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Yep. Near me their were docks with traintracks leading from them to other distribution points. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
38. Ford had a gas engine that got 40% more mpg, too. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
41. The MANAGEMENT at GM, Chrysler, and Ford caused their own downfall, and the workers suffer for it. |
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Jazzgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
44. Goes back further than that. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
45. If India can make and produce a vehicle that runs on air, why in the |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Can we make them a wee bit bigger and prettier, though? |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 04:47 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Any vehicle that runs on compressed air, instead of gas, is beautiful! |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
48. Every fucking technology has advanced over the past 10-20 years EXCEPT THIS |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
50. You conspiracy theorists are a trip. How did the Big 3 stop Toyota, Honda, VW, Hyundai, Renault, |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
51. Electric cars were on the road at the top of the 20th Century |
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geek_sabre (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
54. GM has created a hydrogen car (SUV) |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
58. They have only themselves to blame. |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
60. Someone please check my math |
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