Are the repubs out to actually, literally destroy America?

[Philosoraptor]

Are they in fact deliberately bringing about economic collapse? Are they in fact conspiring to see the complete and utter destruction of America on every conceivable level?

They wouldn't do THAT would they? What would they stand to gain? Money? Power? Orgasms?

They made the president above all laws, they've brought shame to us, they've de-stabilized the world, and they've ruined our economy, they seem to be on a rampage of tyranny and treason and no one seems capable of stopping them.

Are they just grabbing all the money and power they can before it all goes to hell?

[DFW]

1. Well, pretty much, yeah

The 1% of them that knows what is going on, anyway.

They budget enough money for PR so the rest of their
supporters are brainwashed into thinking that what
they are doing is moral, Godly and patriotic, and
say to hell with the rest.

The Republican mantra is "if you're rich, you deserve
it, and if you're poor, you deserve it," and not a hell
of a lot else matters.

[opihimoimoi]

2. A sub concious Death Wish that kicks in when over populated

[anniebelle]

3. Yes to all of the above.

It's amazing that someone sitting in their home on a little hilltop here in Tennessee can see all this destruction going down, around the world, I might add, and see my fellow inmates in this self-made asylum going about their every day lives. I do believe that most Amurikins, if they can get to their local Wal-mart and drive through 'trough and brew', every thing's just WONDERFUL. I am just sick at how little our souls are worth. I see what the Emperors think they will 'get out' of it, but for the average joe schmo that actually goes to vote - how utterly pathetic!

[ingac70]

4. Yep.

That has been their plan since FDR.

[Raven]

5. I wonder where they've parked their $$$. That would tell a lot. n/t

[BB1]

11. Switzerland, Bahama's, Cayman Islands

and of course: Paraguay! Except they don't call them dollars anymore. They call them Euros.

[madokie]

6. No doubt about it.

I see a re:puke: as a person who only thinks about a few things like money, mine and more of it, your money, my money all they want is the money, all of it. Not a one of them realize that when our system collapses all that money they have won't even be good for wiping their sorry asses with. Try it sometimes, wiping your ass with a buck and see how that turns out.

[liberal N proud]

7. If they destroy it, they can turn it into the totalitarian nation they have

always desired.

[sendero]

8. Never attribute to malice..

... that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

This debacle is merely another chapter in the increasingly prevalent GREED at work in our business institutions. The players, admittedly enabled by lax regulatory enforcement of the Republican morons in charge, found the holy grail.

That grail, the ability to originate loans, collect fees, and then push the risk of these loans not being paid back onto other people.

All along the way, there were hands in the pot taking their cut and taking little or no risk. Few were looking ahead to when the end game would manifest.

Many of the assholes that were virtually architects of this mess, Alan Greenspan, Phil Gramm, others are in full blown denial mode as to their involvement. The forensics on this mess will be played out for years.

[EstimatedProphet]

18. Exactly

It's all about the money, because money=power. There's no secret desire to see the country destroyed. They're not hunched over in some dark room, laughing and twirling thier moustaches. They just want to control all ey, think that them controlling all the money is the same thing as a strong economy, and don't care about things other than controlling money enough to look at the consequences of their actions.

[Occulus]

25. Don't forget, though, that granddad helped finance Hitler.

I think Junior may be trying to get revenge for the prosecution of that little event (remember his daddy and Iraq?). It's just exactly such an outrageous thing to do that nobody would ever believe a sitting President would do it- which is part of the reason why he's trying to get away with it.

The endgame is, of course, suspension of the Constitution "for the safety and security of the American people." Believe it or not, there are re:puke:s out there who will tell you that is exactly what they want to see: Bush as President "for however long it takes". Now, think on this: what would be the effect of one more terrorist attack, at this point in time? What would the effect be of a war with Iran, that touches off WWIII? How might this President deal with the social unrest?

Don't get me wrong here- the money is important to them, as a payoff, and as a revenue stream to continue their plans- but I wonder if some of the motivation of this family and their cronies isn't historical in some way. We can't ever forget that these are, honestly and truly, very, very evil people, and have shown themselves to be such over and over again. They helped finance the enemies of humanity once. We must ask ourselves why we are so reluctant to consider that they might be having another go at it, this time out of revenge. After all, this family seems to have a looooong memory.

I don't think it's stupidity at all. I used to, but I don't any more. They're too consistently vindictive, vengeful, and just plain mean for it all to come back to stupidity. Far too many of their actions are too beneficial to them and too detrimental to literally everyone else, beyond what mere stupidity could possibly account for. Or, to put it another way: would anyone that stupid be able to bowl a perfect game this many times, if they didn't have some idea of what they were doing?

You actually have to be very smart and have planned for many, many contingencies to get away with as much as this group has. Stupid, I think, is the one thing these people aren't.

[EstimatedProphet]

29. I grant you all those points

But I do really believe that the people who are campaigning for an end to the Constitution are 1) very few, and 2) very crazy, and 3) very much pawns of the people pushing the real goal - complete domination of the money supply and economy, with all of us beholden to them. Prescott Bush aided Hitler, but he did it for money. The thing with these people is that they are so fixated on money that they would do anything to control it, including destroy it a la the My Lai village logic of destroying things in order to save them. I don't think this is stupidity so much as it is obsession.

[Kolesar]

9. What would bush*s first Secretary of the Treasury, Paul O'Neil say?

They suckered O'Neil into thinking that he would be working with competent people. Goddamn bush* would not make time for his Secretary. He told him:" Just keep saying: strong dollar, strong dollar".

O'Neil was also pissed that two faced bush backed out of his promise to address global warming

[screembloodymurder]

10. What would they stand to gain? Slaves!

The South will rise again.

[dbt]

12. Jebus CHRISE, man, how BIG is yo death wish???

Yeah, everybody knows that's all TRUE and stuff, but nobody's spozed to come right out and SAY it. Do you just like havin a target painted on your ass or WHAT?

:evilgrin:

[soothsayer]

13. no, they're just consolidating power, and moving the national treasure into their coffers

It's what goes on all the time; they've just sped it up a lot and aren't bothering to hide it as much for some reason.

[eShirl]

14. Are they just grabbing all the money and power they can before it all goes to hell?

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. They've done a fine job of ruining this country so far.

They think they've done wondrous things since the Chimp was first propped up behind the Oval Office desk.

[bdamomma]

16. and with no one stopping them they will continue until they are stopped

[Wizard777]

17. After 9/11 Bin laden said his next attack on America would be an economic disaster.

Bush has that right on schedule.

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. He promised to bankrupt America, if I'm not mistaken

Who thought Bush & Co. would have been such willing accomplices?

[DangerDave921]

20. Of course not

There would be no motivation for such a thing.

Also, I think the Repubs differ in mentality, philosophy, etc. I don't see them as evil. I know I'm in the minority here.

[MedleyMisty]

21. I wonder that myself

Because lately I've been realizing that they may possibly believe their own propaganda.

Plus I heard a report on NPR about low-income housing that made me think. Apparently back in the day people thought that violence and poverty were inherent in the bricks of project buildings and that all you had to do to stop it was move people out of the projects.

Well, turns out that hey, poverty is still poverty even away from those contaminated bricks and so people are still dealing with the violence and now they're further away from all the social services in the city and it's harder for them to find a place to stay. As far as I could tell the people who came up with the plan did not have nefarious intentions of making life even harder for poor people or profiting from the Section 8 voucher thing and they really thought that just moving people would take care of their problems. For some reason root causes and things like making life better for everyone with jobs and a decent living wage and universal health care and education just didn't occur to them. I am guessing that although their heart was in the right place they weren't the sharpest crayons in the box and didn't have the best ability to reason.

So I wonder if the corporations are doing this on purpose, or if they're just taking what seems to be the most obvious and easy route to them without really thinking beyond the surface. And come on, who really thinks that your average corporatist is intelligent and capable of reasoning beyond "Hey, if I fire a lot of people and pay the remaining ones minimum wage and slash all their benefits, I can buy me a new yacht!"? It's fairly obvious that they couldn't reason and think enough to realize that impoverishing their workforce would bite them in the ass eventually.

I know that Plato's whole philosopher king thing was rather elitist and totalitarian, but I admit that sometimes I think it'd be nice if humanity was led by those who can reason and see beyond the immediate surface.

[mrs_p]

28. didn't plato's

society have a place for scholars and artists who would somehow balance/hold accountable the ruling class? it's been a long while since i read the republic, but, if i recall correctly, accountability was key to a good society, and everyone had a role to keep it such.

[LeftHander]

22. taking their ball and going home....

in this case the "ball" is money...

[nancyr]

23. Yes.

It's been carefully plotted to do just that.

[Mutley]

24. I don't think so.

What would they have to gain from destroying the country? They would lose all the money and power they've accumulated.

I think they are just so power hungry and greedy that they are blind to the consequences of their actions. They've been so "successful" until the last year or so (by their standards, obviously), that they can't let go now that everything is falling apart. They won't give it up, either. I'm betting they won't be taken alive.

[mrs_p]

26. i think they want to move us

to an aristo-/oligo-/corporo- cracy. isn't that the logical end to their brand of capitalism?

mr_p and i were just talking about this yesterday. how do we fight it? is there a time when we, the majority of americans, aren't too poor or too comfortable to start standing up to the powers that be? we are still doing better than most of the world in terms of basic survival needs, but is there a time just before total destitution when we rise up and take back the country?

[Marblehead]

27. yes

it's the new world order.

[librechik]

30. My husband often says that it would make more sense if they were actually foreign agents

trying to destroy us.

[Subdivisions]

31. Yes. For three reasons:

The North American Union, the Amero, and the New World Order.

Novus Ordo Seclorum

[CANDO]

32. Absolutely! They believe in destroying something to save it.

eom

[spin]

33. If they are out to destroy America it seems the Democrats...

are helping them by doing nothing. THIS HAS TO STOP!

[spanone]

34. not destroy, PLUNDER...like pirates of old

[gatorboy]

35. Of course. Right Wingers always say you can't trust the government and then they run for office.

They can't be any more blatantly obvious than that.