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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:59 PM
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Elizabeth Edwards on Tony Snow's life and death
http://www.newsweek.com/id/146121

Finding Common Cause

Elizabeth Edwards on Tony Snow's life and death
By Elizabeth Edwards | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Jul 14, 2008 | Updated: 1:33 p.m. ET Jul 14, 2008


Tony Snow has died. A young man (with my next birthday being number sixty, I am entitled to the folly of calling a fifty-three year old "young"), with a facile mind, an easy smile, and a quick wit; a man who had a perpetual twinkle in his eye when he was doing what he he born to do; a man who loved his wife and his children; a man who loved politics and maybe a little more loved the verbal sparring that comes with politics well-played; a man who desperately did not want to die. And when he died, I cried. I know I cried not just for him, but—filled with fear—for myself as well. The diagnoses of our cancer recurrences ("recurrences" being one of those misnomers we simply endure) tumbled out upon one another by days, and I felt—and feel— connected to a man who loved what I loved, although we came to nearly every argument from opposite corners of the ring.

Last week—when Tony was still alive and I was not so afraid—I rode my bicycle in a small Fourth of July parade at the beach to which we have gone for close to two decades. When I got to the celebration and stepped off the bicycle, an older man approached me. I hope you are doing well, he said, and then he added—oddly, it is more often the case that people do feel obliged to confess the gap between us—"although we don't agree on much of anything." I thanked him for his good wishes and then I added—as I often do—"and I suspect we agree on more than you think." He smiled, I smiled, and that was that. And then Tony died. And I thought more about the things on which we agree and the things on which we disagree. And as with my parade companion, I suspect Tony and I agreed on more things that we might have guessed.

We each chose to reach for something larger than the life and body with which we were saddled when we kept our course after the last diagnoses. We did it because we thought it was important and because (although it is chic to say that one detests politics) we actually loved the give and take it, the struggle to find what you think is right and the imperative to make others understand and agree. But what, in the end, does it tell us about what we each found to be really important? I am guessing it is not school vouchers or the expensing of stock options or class action lawsuits about salacious material in video games. It was that woman who stood with him years before and promised to love him in sickness and in health; it was those children, whose births marked the very best days of his life. And it isn't so different for any of us, is it? Not for the rich man or the poor man, for the Ethopian or the Thai or the Oregonian. So why do we have such trouble turning what we have in common into common cause? There will always be fault lines where we just disagree, but can't we find—maybe in our founding documents—the things on which we do agree and work from there instead of starting always, always perched as soldiers along those fault lines?

We hear the words of common cause recited. We even felt it as a nation—maybe as a planet—after the horrors of September 11th made us forget whom we supposed to hate. But the finely worded leaflet blows away in the wind, or the calendar pages turn. And we are back where we always were.

Three of the captives who were released after five and a half years in Colombia were interviewed this past week. We had a great deal of time, they said, to examine our former selves—our conduct, our values, our choices—and we now know something none of you can know about what really matters. And we are different today because we know. Is that the only way we get to the point of dropping our guard, our weaponry? The horrors of September 11th, half a decade in captivity, the guillotine of a fatal disease over our heads? It cannot be. We cannot let it be.

Tony Snow has died. And lots of people who valued the same things Tony did—a family well-loved and work well-done—have died and will die of colon cancer, those who have preceded Tony and those who will follow him. Can't we start with something easy on which we can agree? That no one should die of a disease we can find and stop? And when we agree—and agree to do something about it—then we can move on toward those fault lines, like Tony, not taking no for an answer.

© 2008
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:04 PM
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1. I adore this woman
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:25 PM
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5. I'm right there with you nt
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:04 AM
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56. While I Understand Her Point of View
My only comment being, it's such a shame that he spent the last years of his life doing the evil bidding of the pResident, and promoting his policies.

But it's always sad when we die. Like the country-church preacher says "You never know if you'll get another day, so you may as well live the day to the fullest." We don't get out of this thing alive, which is what makes our time here so valuable.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:06 PM
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2. Recommended
Having recently lost my brother-in-law to cancer, with whom I rarely agreed on politics, I know how Elizabeth must feel.

I thank her for saying what she said here, and thanks to babylonsister for posting such wise words.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:16 PM
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4. Elizabeth Edwards is a class act.
It is much harder for me to say something nice about Tony Snow, proving she is far classier than I am.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:27 PM
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6. I love her. /nt
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:29 PM
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7. Elizabeth Edwards = total class.
Love her!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:32 PM
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8. A role model, an icon, the flower of American womanhood
I can't think of enough superlatives to describe Mrs. Edwards.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:36 PM
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9. Oh Elizabeth!
This essay made me cry. Elizabeth, if you happen to stop by and read this please know that you have made such a difference in my life. Your words fill my heart with hope. I love you, sweet lady!
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:39 PM
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10. I hope to heaven that Obama chooses John so we can see can have Elizabeth
out there on our side, again.

What a boon she would be to the ticket - gives me goosebumps to think of it.
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:41 PM
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11. Pure class
Wonderful!

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:15 PM
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12. sorry, Elizabeth, you make it sound like a game
as if the policies he promoted did not have real consequences and cause real suffering for many at the same time they greatly enriched a few and also provided Tony with a more than comfortable living. Was Tony really 'born to' help oppress the working class with a 'twinkle in his eye'? Or was that a choice that he made? And a bad one?

He 'loved the give and take' of his jobs, but when he was on the Tonight Show he said that he quit being Press Secretary so he could make more money. I don't find much comfort in the fact that shills for the rich and powerful are also rich and happy. And even with the guillotine of cancer hanging over him, Tony never stopped working for the BFEE crew. He was on the Tonight Show praising Bush, not spending time with his family, not calling for more cancer research funding. We cannot find common ground with people like him if they won't move, if they won't be motivated to seek it. And you are taking away some of the motivation. Until they change, they must face our hatred and contempt for the evil that they do. Until they change, in my opinion, they deserve it.

Tony's not the only young person to die of cancer, and he's already getting more attention and respect than he deserves.

http://www.leavenworthtimes.com/articles/2008/07/01/obituaries/obit03.txt
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:21 PM
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13. Speak for yourself
This part of the WE can find common ground, and can find nice things to say even about people whose policies/politics I disagree with.

Elizabeth had the classy response...
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:45 PM
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15. it's not 'common ground' if you bow to their false gods
you have 'compromised' by surrendering.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:53 PM
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16. Showing compassion and kindness is not surrendering.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:41 AM
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61. Some of us have compassion and kindness for our dead troops
and innocent Iraqis.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:27 AM
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79. Yes, I'm sure Elizabeth falls into your 'some of us' group.
I will repeat...showing compassion for someone who you passionately disagree with on politics, does not mean you've surrendered. It means you are a remarkable human being with extraordinary character. That is what Elizabeth Edwards is to me.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:15 PM
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112. I borrowed this from Dmordue,
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 06:18 PM by Kajsa
from Elrond's great thread on this topic,

" I didn't know sympathy, humanity and compassion were limited commodities...."

Classic, to the point, nailed it.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:19 PM
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17. Pure as the driven snow, aren't ya?
And no, the pun is not intended.

Know what? None of us is perfect.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:53 PM
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99. Participate in the promotion and orchestration of any war crimes, lately?
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 03:53 PM by Barrymores Ghost
Funny, neither have I.

That may not make me perfect, but I'm purer that THAT Snow ever thought of being.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:41 PM
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24. recognition of the few things we have in common is not "compromising by surrendering"
I prefer to celebrate those things...there's so little of that left in this country. That is where hope lives.

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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:59 PM
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37. exactly
By nearly all accounts, Snow was a good guy.

And he certainly had a sense of humour, and was good at his job.

He was a caring family man, and he fought cancer with dignity.

I can respect that, REGARDLESS of his politics.

We DO have a lot in common with people REGARDLESS of their political differences.

Show me a guy who plays guitar, surfs, weightlifts, and loves asian food and I'll have TONS in common. Regardless of his politics.


There are guys who are complete assmunches who may have nearly identifical political beliefs as me. Contrarily, there are people I disagree with very much, but who I adore AS individuals.

I never met Tony Snow, but I have no reason to hate him or bash a dead man.


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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:27 PM
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84. you could tell by the way he would condescendingly address the press corpse..
that's what they say about all dead people. sorry if i don't believe it.
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:59 PM
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87. Not at all
It's not what "they say".

I am talking about MY impression of him.

I thought he was quite funny with the press corps (was that spelling error a freudian spelling slip? "press corpse?")

etc.

Like I said, whether somebody appeals to me as a person has about zero to do with their politics ime.

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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:55 PM
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100. How does his participation as a propaganda minister in the commission of war crimes sit with you?
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 04:08 PM by Barrymores Ghost
Just wondering what, if anything, THAT has to do with his "appeal."
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:39 PM
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105. no, but honoring one of their rightwing icons is
Do they meet us halfway? I searched, but could not find, a White House statement on the death of John Kenneth Galbraith who died 30 Apr 2006.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/04/

I searched, but could not find, a White House statement on the death of Kurt Vonnegut who died 11 Apr 2007.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/

I had no problem at all finding a statement on the death of William F. Buckley

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/02/20080227-4.html

"He will be remembered for his principled thought and beautiful writing -- as well as his personal warmth, wit, and generous spirit. His legacy lives on in the ideas he championed and in the magazine he founded -- National Review.

Laura and I send our prayers to Chris Buckley, the Buckley family, and all who loved this good man."

So, if we join the chorus about how 'good' conservatives are personally, how does that reconcile with the immense amount of harm done by these supposedly good people? They are really nice people who just happen to have blood on their hands?
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:51 PM
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25. Policies like torture, treason and conspiracy AREN'T policies, they're CRIMES
I don't support criminals but you obviously do and so does E. Edwards. I will be happy to see all the (R) criminals jailed and/or executed, not pandered to for some political points which is all E. Edwards did in her article.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:03 AM
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38. well, then, I guess you'll never be happy.
And suggesting that Elizabeth Edwards and those who share her compassion "support" criminals says volumes, not a bit of it good, about you.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:37 AM
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68. Happy? Count me in with Graham Greene.
Point me out the happy man and I will point you out either egotism, selfishness,
evil - or else an absolute ignorance.
--Graham Greene
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:19 PM
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83. nihilism on a cracker n/t
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 06:01 AM
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115. At least enabler blood is not on MY hands! n/t
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #38
97. Christ had compassion for everyone, but he certainly didn't give a free
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 03:49 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
pass to the scribes and Pharisees who oppressed the people and compounded that extraordinary sin with extraordinary hypocrisy, or wax sentimental about them. He also pointed out that even the robbers love their families, and called us to treat the world at large as our family, starting, but on no account finishing, with our own.

Only God can judge each of us in eschatological terms, and what a good thing that is. Still, it doesn't mean that we are called upon to abdicate our intelligence. What did Snow care about the homeless? Only God and probably his family if anyone, would know. But for the rest of us, it seems legitimate to bear in mind that Christ not only stated "By their fruit, you shall know them", but then said, "I repeat, by their fruit, you shall know them."

On the other hand, there are many good reasons why women are more parochial in their outlook than men, focusing more on their own family than would be appropriate for men, however much they love them, and by extension friends and acquaintances - empathising particularly with one who shared such a fearful illness.

Elizabeth Edwards sounds a very warm human being, as one would expect of John's spouse, but expressions of strong ambivalence, even repudiation of the object of her eulogy by other posters, also seems to me to be eminently understandable and legitimate.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:25 PM
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104. expressions of ambivalence are one thing, accusing E Edwards of "supporting"
the bush gang is an altogether different thing.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:07 PM
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111. Would you mind quoting the words of mine you have in mind?
I can't find or recognise them; still less, the word, "supporting" or "support", which you seem to cite as a direct quotation from my post by enclosing it in inverted commas.

Could you also show me where I refer to the "Bush gang"? I can only assume you are referring to my indirectly citing Snow as "the object of Elizabeth's eulogy", (not Elizabeth, herself in this passage):

".... but expressions of strong ambivalence, even repudiation of the object of her eulogy by other posters, also seems to me to be eminently understandable and legitimate.

You should pay closer attention to the text.

Of course, criticism of the "support" given to the "Bush gang" by Snow is implicit in my post from start to finish. And why the "E" Edwards"? It sounds more hostile than anything I've written.

Would you also care to comment on the words of Christ in the Gospels I referred to, in the context of Snow and the employment he was engaged in?

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:58 PM
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114. not you, the post that started this subthread
You were commenting on my comment about the first post in this subthread. My response was a reference back to what I was addressing in the first place.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:05 PM
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28. Where is the common ground?
that he had a twinkle in his eye? A wife and kids who loved him? Maybe a dog too.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:12 PM
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29. cancer for one thing. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:33 PM
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31. The fact is that we all die - and the fact that it was cancer had special resonance for her
I did get that connection - IT's obvious, not to mention in the first paragraph. I don't have cancer and, as I said, I felt sad. The only thing there is our common humanity, but there is no bridge there to bring people together.

Snow did not make a deathbed appeal to the RW to work for universal health care or even, far more conservatively, to increase funds for health research. That would be a bridge. I'm not saying tht it is wrong to have a normal human reaction to the death of someone in a vaguely imilar situation (or just because it is very sad for his family.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:47 AM
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64. I think her point about "we have more in common then you think" comment
is that, if she had a chance to talk to some of these right wingers -- to really sit down with them, and really get into the issues -- she could win them over to her side.


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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:35 PM
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33. Yeah, exactly. ... So that erases all his crimes, I guess.
Sorry, but I'm tired of the excuse making and revisionist history.
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:56 PM
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94. crimes?
Crimes? Name one. He did the job he was hired to do.

If there is one person who does not agree with every thing
you say and/or do, have you committed a crime?

The first word in your subject line fits you to a T.

I hope you don't get cancer - and I don't hear about it.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:03 PM
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102. "He did the job he was hired to do."
So did Joseph Goebbels.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:23 AM
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40. There was a time...
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 12:26 AM by ImForGore
when this was possible (or maybe I'm just naive). But the conservatives have brought such hatred to politics, and look at any attempt to find common ground by the liberals as a sign of weakness to be exploited, that I just don't think it is any longer possible. Maybe some day in the future that will change. Elizabeth is a wonderful and remarkable woman, but I must disagree that we are can or will find common ground anytime soon. Or should even try to.

Edited for spelling
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:51 PM
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98. It's less the policies and politics of his that I find contemptible...
...than it is the mass murder and bankrupting of nations that he helped to promote, sell and perpetuate.

Elizabeth was classier than Snow deserved...if he deserved any niceties at all.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:42 AM
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54. agreed. this is corrupt two-party philosophy....
...and sentimental tripe.

Of course we all share a common humanity. but there is a huge difference between compassion and glorification.

of course, tony snow believed in his own principles and ideas. so did hitler. so what?

this is excuse-making for fascist collaborators--and make no mistake, that is what tony snow was-not just doing a job, but loving it.

fascists love their children, too. so what?

you're right, edwards makes this seem like a game.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:40 AM
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60. Couldn't agree more
He promoted the policies of an administration that has blood on its hands. Lots and lots of blood.

I can feel sympathy for his family but that's as far as I can go.

This is far more than a difference of opinion regarding politics. Evil men have lied to the American people and far too many are dead because of those lies. As far as Tony is concerned, Karma is a bitch.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:54 AM
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70. You act as if Tony had any position to change those things
He was a conservative, and as such worked for conservatives. He was not a president, or senator in which his politics effected the lives of the people in this country. He was a speech writer, a journalist and a press secretary. You cannot lay the blame of all things Bush on this mans head just because he worked for him (for only 17 months if i recall).
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:28 AM
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80. Several propagandists for the 3rd Reich....
...were tried as "War Criminals" at Nuremburg along with the other Nazis.



According to Fritzsche’s own affidavit: “During the whole period from 1933 to 1945 it was the task of the German Press Division to supervise the entire domestic press and to provide it with directives by which this division became an efficient instrument in the hands of the German State leadership. More than 2,300 German daily newspapers were subject to this control. ... The head of the German Press Division held daily press conferences in the Ministry for the representatives of all German newspapers. Hereby all instructions were given to the representatives of the press.”

<snip>

“Fritzsche was not the type of conspirator who signed decrees, or who sat in the inner councils planning the overall grand strategy. The function of propaganda is, for the most part, apart from the field of such planning. The function of a propaganda agency is somewhat more analogous to an advertising agency or public relations department, the job of which is to sell the product and to win the market for the enterprise in question. Here the enterprise was the Nazi conspiracy. In a conspiracy which depends upon fraud as a means, the salesmen of the conspiratorial group are quite as essential and culpable as the master planners, even though they may not have contributed substantially to the formulation of all the basic strategy, but rather concentrated on making the execution of this strategy possible. In this case, propaganda was a weapon of tremendous importance to this conspiracy. Furthermore, the leading propagandists were major accomplices in this conspiracy, and Fritzsche was one of them..."

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:58 PM
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108. Julius Streicher was tried and executed too
and he was never part of the government, just a Limbaugh-like propagandist, or an analyst at Fox news or a writer for Creator's syndicate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:46 PM
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86. was he conscripted?
he could've left anytime he wanted. he could even have declined the position. nobody forced him to get up there and lie to you and me.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:13 PM
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103. He was an educated man who had as much access to information as WE did...
...He chose to participate in, and enrich himself from this administration's demagoguery, lies, deceipt and skullduggery.

I'm not laying the blame of all of BushCo's crimes on his head -- just his fair share.

Nobody gets a free pass from me just because karma finally got around to them.
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:10 PM
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88. Agree Completely
I, like so many others, am completely flabbergasted by the "weeping of tears" at the passing of someone who was nothing but a dedicated enemy of the poor and middle class, and who sneered, laughed at, and ridiculed any journalistic attempts to ask questions about the corruption of the entire Administration--ha-ha-ha! This only demonstrates to me how dangerous these people are. You hate Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld--good, everything good so far. Then you put a grin and snappy patter on the same policies, the same cruel hardball operation, the same cover-up of crimes, and suddenly--you like it?? This is like the vicious bastard Reagan all over again, as merciless to the non-rich, non-connected as Hoover, but with a grin and a friendly relationship to the corporate media!

So many of the weepy Snow "fans" (?) on this thread refer, a lot, to themselves and their own greatness--they are "kind," "commpassionate" as they support the dismantler of populist democracy, they have "souls," and all the opponents are just so "mean" and "cold," unlike themselves. I think this gives a clue to the thing: some people, maybe most, will never pass up an opportunity to praise themselves, or to give fake "love" now that the person is dead. Some claim that"cancer is not political." Oh, on the contrary, it is very much political. Poor people living in areas with high concentrations of electrical power-plants, generators, transformers, or near nuclear power plants, etc.--far from where the Edwardses and Snows live--have much higher rates of cancer, and the unfortunate non-rich die horrible deaths, unnoticed, every day.

Of course, Edwards, like both Hillary Clinton and Obama, proposed not universal health care paid by very wealthy people like the Edwardses' and Snows, but a bizarre, unworkable forced commercial-insurance scheme that would not even be regulated, like auto insurance that gouges but does not pay the costs of things.

I like Elizabeth Edwards, I even liked her when she was being attacked on DU a few years ago for some comments against John Kerry and Teresa Heinz, about their "rich lifestyle," (this was before the Edwardses cut down a forest and put up their own huge mansion), and I have cried real tears for family members who died from cancer, diabetes complications, etc., but the easy alliances of the rich, and how they all like each other for the most trivial of reasons, is a threat to the rest of us. Democrats can show us how good they are and whether or not they care, by tearing themselves away from the party on the yacht, and FIGHTING these people instead.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:57 PM
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101. ".... but the easy alliances of the rich, and how they all like each other
for the most trivial of reasons, is a threat to the rest of us."

Spot on. Brilliantly articulated.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:56 PM
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110. Excellent post. - n/t

:thumbsup:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:55 PM
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113. Dude, right the fuck on.
Best post in this thread.
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dothemath Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:48 PM
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91. a game?
Tony died of cancer. Elizabeth is dying of cancer. And you have the unmitigated gall to make such a stupid remark.

One can only guess at the thought process that produced your opinion. Some people are eligible for pity but you are not one of them.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:50 PM
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106. thanks for agreeing with me
and welcome to DU :hi:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:36 PM
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14. K&R
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:07 PM
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18. Thank you, Elizabeth.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:15 PM
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19. Lovely...she is a person with soul........ Thanks for posting. n/t
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:18 PM
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20. Well Done
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:21 PM
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21. a comment in *this* thread had to be deleted?
Jesus. K&R.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:45 AM
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62. I should probably stay out of this thread for that very reason
I am pretty stunned that anyone here is showing compassion for a man who helped promote a war and the evil policies of the Bush administration.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:33 PM
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:36 PM
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23. very nice
made me tear up.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:57 PM
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26. What a wonderful woman. Thanks for posting this. nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:03 PM
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27. Snow swiftboated Kerry with the rest of that despicable crew
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 11:35 PM by karynnj
He was the voice of that administration, Even with all the benefits of incumbancy at the time of a war that should never have fave started, they opted to win via character assassination of a good man. Senator Kerry risked his life at 25 on those canals. Any of those three wounds could have been dealy with a very minor shift in trajectory. Kerry, with a golden future ahead of him - a financee, freiends and family who loved him risked everything. In payment - Tony Snow lied about the official record of the Navy. Those lies persist and it is likely that for some Senator Kerry's reputation will always be damaged. Snow, unlike Atwater when he reached a similar stage, expressed regrets for what he did. Snow never did. How do you forgive someone who doesn't ask for it or admit he did wrong.

Wouls Elizabeth Edwards have been so forgiving if it was her John's reputation that was attacked? From what I've seen and admired is that she is a lioness when anyone attacks him in the least.

I do understand her reaction - my first reaction was the same - he was so young. That is a tragedy, but how many even younger people died because of his lies. The election was close and a President Kerry would have saved lifes in Iraq and in New Orleans. (this would not be fair to say if they won on the issues in a fair elections or if he were not part of the lying. He was safter all the mouthpiece and he lied.

There are GOOD reasons for trying to heal the rift, but this is just seeing everyone as people - which I think most of us always did. I was sad to here he died, but that does not make him a good person - he has to be judged by all his actions.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200409170011

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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:27 PM
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30. In matters as grave as life and death...
...political disagreements usually mean nothing.

But I will say this: Tony Snow, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't a murderer, didn't torture anybody, and was good to his children. Tony Snow, however, was a chief enabler to those who commit murder, torture and are responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocent children.

I'm sorry that he has died, as I am sorry for about a million Iraqis, over 4,000 dead Americans, hundreds of dead allied troops, and the people around the world who are dying from starvation thanks to a global crisis brought to us by those whom Mr. Snow worked so tirelessly to keep in power.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:34 PM
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32. what a truly beautiful person she is-
inside and out.

And everyplace that really "matters".


Thank you.
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:49 PM
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34. Lovely Woman
cancer is not political
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:53 PM
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35. K&R
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:57 PM
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36. Wow, that brought tears to my eyes.
As a fellow cancer survivor, I felt many of the same emotions (although there's no way I could ever be as articulate as Ms. Edwards). Wonderful.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:06 AM
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39. Elizabeth Edwards is the kind of person who truly cares about people suffering from disease.
She is the kind of person who would like to see health care available to all, regardless of economic status.

I believe Tony Snow couldn't have cared less about people for whom health care is unaffordable, people who suffer and die without the benefit of the best that modern medical technology has to offer. I suspect that, to him, those people were all just "numbers." He never had an "Atwater moment." No deathbed epiphany for his dark soul.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:15 AM
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41. She's beautiful
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:15 AM
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42. K/R
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:52 AM
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43. Wow.
The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.

Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:43 AM
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44. We are going to have political opponents and enemies
Some of them our evil and malicious. However, from what I've read from people on our side like Elizabeth Edwards and Keith Olbermann, Mr. Snow was not one of those people and I thank them for reminding us that on both sides we have our monsters and our good people.

I believe Tony Snow believed in his heart the conservative agenda was right for America. While I disagree with that I think its important we show compassion to a wife and daughters who know longer have someone they love.

Tony wasn't a RW General. If anything he was a very low ranking officer in that army. I don't buy he was following orders when he lied as press secretary but I don't classify him as one of the war criminals either.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:11 AM
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46. He was a good guy with one small, infinitesimal flaw,
he did everything he could to enable and support WAR CRIMES and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Like an SS Trooper ordered to guard the camps, he was a good guy with a loving family at home. Work was his only flaw?

His motive, ideology, money, who knows? But the crime is the same and there are no mitigating circumstances in this case.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:38 PM
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85. ther than that, we are in common cause
EEd's words were full of compassion that I cannot find for the man. I do agree with here that nobody should die of horrible diseases that would be preventable if we chose as a society to spend our trillions of dollars on promoting life instead of visiting death and despair on the rest of the world.

How much would it cost to move cancer cures along more quickly? How much did we just spend in the bailouts for Tony Snow best friends at Freddie Mac?

Life is about choices. Snow was by all appearances a decent man who made horrible choices. Not much of a legacy, but that is all part of the choice.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:45 AM
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45. LOVE her.
:loveya:

I'm sad she won't have the opportunity to be First Lady.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:46 AM
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47. Snow's kind and my kind are natural enemies,
I should mourn his demise?
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:30 AM
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48. Idealistic, and classy. "Easy" = health care for all, and even tho everyone dies,
it seems to be only the 'flaming liberals' who think 'the poor people' deserve an equal shot at avoiding it as do the rich ones.

I love Elizabeth Edwards.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:46 AM
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49. Beautiful.
Stem cell research is the most important issue in front of all of us. More important than any war on anything. One day we will all be faced with death and the one thing that can keep it at bay is stem cell research. Fox news viewers need to wake up to this fact and join the rest of us looking for a cure for cancer.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:05 AM
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50. I agree and disagree
I generally like Elizabeth Edwards (and John even more). And I think she's right that up there in the world of the power brokers, they do have more in common with each other than they have in difference.

But, sadly, they have little in common with us common folk. They are living so well insulated, they can't even conceive of life outside their bubble.

She loves her family. Tony Snow loved his family (although apparently he loved the spotlight more). The Bush's love their family.

But I will *never* forget Barbara Bush looking out at thousands of desperate, hungry, thirsty, dirty, exhausted people who'd lost every scrap of everything, living in squalor on the concrete surfaces of a football stadium.

And chuckling contemptuously about how "this is working out well for *them.* After all, *they're* underprivileged anyway."

Yes, for the privileged who aren't directly impacted by (or who benefit as a result of) right wing policies, it's easy to believe we have more in common than difference.

For those of us who don't have families, who don't have health insurance, who've been dumped by corporate USA, and who are one illness or lost job away from living in the street, sorry but not so much.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:27 PM
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89. Elizabeth Edwards is not living in a "bubble"
You can literally "trip over" the Edwards family in the food court at the mall or elsewhere around here as you each go about your daily lives. Of course, many aspects of their lives differ from mine, but we share much in common including our love for this place, this University, and the people of this world.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:09 AM
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51. She is one of my favorite public figures
She is everything I would want in a First Lady.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:14 AM
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52. Those are well spoken words that sum up why I'm
a Democrat. Elizabeth Edwards is able to speak them with such care and love, but that is what it is about. It is about caring about other people. Not just people that vote the way we do. Have the same views, family income, cultural background, religious background. The Democratic party transcends that. Thank you Elizabeth for reminding us. O, and let's bring a real solution to our countries need for medical treatment-Let's just provide it to those who need it with the same reasons. We care about people and creating better lives for everybody.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:23 PM
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109. Hear hear!
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 05:26 PM by Beartracks
>It is about caring about other people. Not just people that vote the way we do have the same views, family income, cultural background, religious background.

Which is specifically why it does no one any good to "refuse" to mourn Tony Snow -- or anyone who has died on the other side of the aisle. Many of us have family members who are staunch Bush supporters; if they were to pass on, would we not mourn their deaths, and by extension, our own loss?

You might choose to regret Mr. Snow's LIFE, from the viewpoint that he expended much time and talent supporting those whom you consider to be immoral and dangerous to this country and what it stands for. But to not regret his DEATH?
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:27 AM
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53. Elizabeth Edwards for VP. Oh, that this would be true. Thanks, EE, for the beautiful truths.
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atjrpsych Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:01 AM
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55. That was beautiful!!
I also felt so sad about Tony Snow's death, for many of the same reasons that Elizabeth Edwards has mentioned.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:07 AM
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57. Nothing like a good cry first thing in the morning.
Beautiful words and women!
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:08 AM
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58. Elizabeth, I adore you.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:31 AM
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59. She is a classy lady.
:toast:
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:45 AM
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63. She is a far, far better person than I
While I do not take any joy from Mr. Snow's passing, nor can I ignore that he was part of the Faux News-GOP propaganda machine. I feel sorry for his loved ones, but I did not and will not cry over his death.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:53 AM
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65. What a class act:
Cancer is not political:

We each chose to reach for something larger than the life and body with which we were saddled when we kept our course after the last diagnoses. We did it because we thought it was important and because (although it is chic to say that one detests politics) we actually loved the give and take it, the struggle to find what you think is right and the imperative to make others understand and agree. But what, in the end, does it tell us about what we each found to be really important? I am guessing it is not school vouchers or the expensing of stock options or class action lawsuits about salacious material in video games. It was that woman who stood with him years before and promised to love him in sickness and in health; it was those children, whose births marked the very best days of his life. And it isn't so different for any of us, is it? Not for the rich man or the poor man, for the Ethopian or the Thai or the Oregonian. So why do we have such trouble turning what we have in common into common cause? There will always be fault lines where we just disagree, but can't we find—maybe in our founding documents—the things on which we do agree and work from there instead of starting always, always perched as soldiers along those fault lines?


Kick and a Rec for a woman who choses to rise above the fray.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:09 AM
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66. Dear Babylonsister and Dear Elizabeth
Thank you for posting this essay and thanks to Elizabeth for writing it. Cancer is nothing I would wish on anyone. Though I personally found much of Tony Snow's politics distasteful, his suffering and death caused me much grief. I nearly lost my mother to colon cancer and the quality of her life since is very, very much diminished. I personally see the suffering it causes. Cancer took her younger sister's breasts and took my father's elder sister's breasts. It took my daddy away from me far too early. Cancer took my mother's elder brother before I got to know him very well. It took my step-dad, who was my buddy, away from me. I've never really gotten over losing any of them because of the awful way they were made to leave this earth far too early.

Tony Snow's early death affected me little differently for the same reason. He was simply far too young. Again, though I might have vehemently disagreed with his politics, I can tell you as a witness to the disease, it is not a way I would wish for anyone to die.

I saw a tagline somewhere on DU that goes something like (forgive me for mangling it, I'm a bit emotional) the last inch of who we are is our dignity, but within that last inch we are free. I'm working on another journal post about another family member with Alzheimer's and the loss of dignity (the pain is still too fresh for posting the essay), but I can say that Mr Snow's final days entailed a loss of dignity. That is the worst thing I can think of for any human to endure, and one of the worst things I can say about our medical system.

Cancer doesn't run in my family. It gallops. One can understand my fear and hatred of the disease, and why I spent most of June undergoing one kind of 'oscopy after another.

The Merciful Mother loves me. So far the news is good. But I must be ever vigilant.

Cancer is a greedy, vicious disease, that steals lives and leaves grief in its place. It is something that we should have conquered long ago, but our corporate-owned government chose not to. Our government chose to fund "research" to the tune of billions that seem to go nowhere except into huge advertising budgets. It chose to fund huge CEO salaries and golden parachutes, yet millions cannot afford life-saving or even life-extending treatments. It chose to fund not-so-secret bioweapon programs (one such "black" project is forming up in NC just north of Durham, G'd forbid) instead of life-saving programs that could end diseases like cancer, or HPV, or HIV or a hundred other plagues that are rotting our nation from the inside out.

My heart, thoughts and prayers remain with Elizabeth, as they remain with millions of others who are living, struggling, battling, and hopefully -- just hopefully -- winning against this sonuvabitch of a disease. My love to you all.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:14 AM
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67. Elizabeth Edwards Is A Great Lady
Fighting cancer changes you. I am not talking about an outward appearance. Cancer opens your heart in a way it's hard to explain and all those fighting whatever cancer it may be with their loved ones find themselves changed.

IMHO many cancer survivors and those fighting cancer shed a few tears when Tony Snow died. We cried for his family and friends, that he lost his fight and for all of those before him who lost their battle. His politics didn't affect my sadness over his death.

Mrs. Edwards has shown us her great wisdom again.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:44 AM
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69. Elizabeth Edwards is a glowing example...
of how Democrats should respond to all the terrible things that happen in this world .

We Dems always say how much we hate the nasty, ugly treatment given out by Repugs. We should be above that sort of behavior and treat each other with care and respect. I know these people have said and done horrible, terrible things to us and this country, but how can we say we are better people when we behave as they do. I realize the temptation is there to hit back, say hurtful things, but we should not let them drag us down to their level.

Elizabeth Edwards is a shining jewel in the Democratic Party as far as I'm concerned.





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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:11 AM
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75. Good puppy!
And I hope he is doing well.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:53 PM
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92. He is doing really well asdjrocky...
as you can tell by Sheridan's latest picture of him and his cow.



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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:28 AM
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81. I wish I could officially recommend your comment.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:55 PM
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93. Thank you for your nice comment.


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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:17 PM
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82. If I genuflect to Edwards/Snow will I . . .
get my Ticket to Heaven punched too?
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:57 AM
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71. Gosh I love her. n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:01 AM
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72. This is the first I've heard of his death. I was camping and just now checked into DU.
Elizabeth is pure gold. R.I.P., Tony.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:07 AM
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73. What a magnificent first lady she would have been...
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:07 AM
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74. What a woman.
Meeting her, and their wonderful daughter was one of the highlights of my life.
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Summer93 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:13 AM
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76. She is giving us the words.....
Elizabeth has the knowledge of what a person goes through with a terrible disease and then she also has the words to talk about it is ways that the person on street does not. She speaks of common cause - so important to find common cause with this disease. It kills so many people and yet they(those that study it) don't know a lot about it.

When my husband died of cancer when he was 30 years old he spent the last year and a half suffering emotionally over leaving his only born son who was only 2 1/2 years old. He also suffered from the chemo/radiation therapy. He got up each day and threw up and then moved on to coffee. Over the years many thoughts have come to me when other people I knew died of the same disease. I worry for my son even though he is now 35 yrs old and has a wife and two beautiful children.

My hope is that after so many people have been taken there will be a common cause of this medical issue that will gather us together to "solve the mystery" and set people free to live.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 10:26 AM
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77. And thanks for bringing this Sister,
You, like Elizabeth, are a class act.
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:25 AM
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78. Elizabeth Edwards, I adore you.
What a wonderful woman you are.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:39 PM
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90. Very thoughtful words and message
I refuse to pile on Tony Snow's memory in negative ways. I didn't care much for his views or his arrogance, but I can understand where Elizabeth is coming from. Sometimes you have to reach inside yourself and pull out that "bigger person".

My mom and I fought about politics for many years, up until the last time I saw her alive, last August. She was adamantly defensive of GWB and everything GOP. She died very suddenly of natural causes at age 59. I would give ANYTHING to hug her tight and let her rant about how mean everyone is to poor George W Bush--- for hours if she wanted to. You see, I cared about HER more than I cared about trying to be right, to win arguments or to try to educate her and win her over to my side.

I think Elizabeth really demonstrates what a "true Christian" is. She isn't perfect, but she can step out of her armor long enough to share her heart and extend a hand.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:25 PM
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95. Elizabeth Edwards makes all those nasty folks who trash everyone who disagree look like
the immature, uninformed idiots they are. Elizabeth is the true "First Lady" of our hearts. Elizabeth Edwards is the definition of "class", an alien concept to some. Bless you Elizabeth.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:02 AM
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116. It's a Badge of Honor to "trash everyone" with war crime blood...
on their hands and their enablers don't get a free pass either!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:38 PM
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96. Movingly poignant
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:55 PM
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107. Thank you, fellow DUer Elizabeth, for being inspirational.
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