I believe that all the Kucinich naysayers here at DU owe Kucinich an appology...

[Earth_First]

Kucinich wins hearings but not on impeaching Bush

WASHINGTON (AP) —

Rep. Dennis Kucinich's single impeachment article will get a committee hearing

but not on removing President Bush from office.

The House on Tuesday voted 238-180 to send the article of impeachment — for Bush's
reasoning for taking the country to war in Iraq — to the Judiciary Committee,
which buried Kucinich's previous effort.

This time, the panel will open hearings. But House Democrats emphatically said they
will not be about Bush's impeachment, a first step in the Constitution's process of
a removing a president from office.

Instead, the panel will conduct an election-year review — possibly televised — of
everything Democrats consider to be Bush's abuse of power. Kucinich, a Democrat from
Ohio, is likely to testify. But so will several scholars and administration critics,
Democrats said.

[redirish28]

1. It is a bittersweet victory for Kucinich Fans.... It seems how good of a case

Kucinich makes for Impeachment is basically going to fall on deaf ears. How will history judge us? Never in the history of the United states has a case screamed out for impeachment and nothing has happened.

[flvegan]

2. You mean the Constitution naysayers?

Yep, I said it.

[Earth_First]

3. Day-um! n/t

[Breeze54]

12. WORD !!!!

:applause: :applause:

[MuseRider]

35. ...

:loveya:

[tekisui]

37. Indeed.

Never Give Up!

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Dennis is the mouse that Tommy Douglas was talking about

That's not an insult if you know the story of mouseland.
video and history

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x157980

He was my first choice but knew what the media would do with him.

Kick and nominated

[yellowdogintexas]

13. as in the one that Roared. I love this nt

[DainBramaged]

5. Nope

[Earth_First]

7. So Kucinich repeatedly going to bat against a Congressional delegation

who time and time again has swept these resolutions under the rug and finally gets his moment to possibly TELEVISE the illegal actions of the * administration during an ELECTION YEAR is still 'off the table' or 'keeping the powder dry' to some, eh?

There were some pretty ignorant comments made about the ability of Kucinich to gain any traction with this, and here it comes to fruition, and yet there are still some who oppose this action.

Brilliant!

[DainBramaged]

9. I will repeat it one last time, he should have done it in 2006 when it meant something

[Earth_First]

11. Sure, absolutely...

Yet do you honestly think that with all the foot dragging, and 'executive privilidge' that this would still not have been playing itself out, two years later.

Perhaps a better late than never approach is the final consolation to a tragic eight years, that is my hope, and I wish that more folks would get behind this.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. HE TRIED!!

You really haven't been following this, now have you? :eyes:

[underseasurveyor]

16. See even he missed it way back when

And yet Dennis kept on keepin' on:patriot:

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Shit! even a DUer didn't know what Kucinich was doing

Are these people just willfully ignorant??

[lonestarnot]

32. LOL.

[underseasurveyor]

51. Well in his defense.. who is that guy? Dennis who?

Oh that guy, well he's 'funny looking' and he's 'irrelevant'... besides never heard of him.

Funny that so many think that Dennis only popped up less than a year ago.. apparently before that the man never existed:shrug:

[madokie]

17. Yes Dennis has and I love him for it

In my book he stands head and shoulders above all the rest of the congress critters. Dennis is a Big Big Man who wears a small suit.:hi:

[mmonk]

23. Seems weird to blame the one who acts for inaction.

[LVjinx]

53. Where were you when Pelosi/etc killed all of his attempts?

[DainBramaged]

54. Working, eating, sleeping, doing what any non-politician does

do you have any control over her? what a dumb question.

[DainBramaged]

55. It's amazing how the non-believers are flogged and even castigated for not

jumping on the 'Love Dennis or die' bandwagon.

SIX FUCKING MONTHS and Booshe is history. Other than getting a committee together, and maybe having lunch together, what do you expect Congress to do? Oh, and there's that campaigning thing that they need to do so we can overwhelm the Reich wing in November.


Never mind, not worth the discussion.

[Common Sense Party]

18. Does anyone actually think that this will go ANYWHERE?

You say he's gaining traction, whatever that means.

Do you honestly think there will be any results?

How many DUers actually believe we'll see impeachments?

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. THEY ARE GOING TO TELEVISE THE HEARINGS

Shit, do you even bother to read before you post?!

[Common Sense Party]

22. They are POSSIBLY going to televise the hearings.

Shit, do YOU even bother to read?

And televise them where? On C-Span? To be seen by 3000 people?

You still haven't answered the question: What will be the RESULT? Televised hearings are the desired result?

[Breeze54]

26. *cough* Elections are coming.... in case you hadn't heard....

:hi:

[progressoid]

59. *cough* Bush isn't running...in case you hadn't heard...

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. I take it you aren't old enough to remember Watergate?

[progressoid]

60. I am old enough to remember

And this won't be another Watergate.

The crimes of Bush et. al. make Watergate look quaint by comparison. But we live an a world where being a criminal in Washington is de rigueur.

[stray cat]

6. I'll withhold judgment to see how productive it really is.

[emilyg]

8. Yep.

[Earth_First]

10. While I understand your cynicism ( I really do)...

I really do see this as an accomplishment in the face of what this man has been up against.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Yes televising hearings with testimony of Bush's war crimes won't be the least bit productive

:eyes:

[Common Sense Party]

24. So that's the desired end result, then?

And what if they're NOT televised?

Ooo, I know: Maybe someone will live-blog them! :eyes:

[Breeze54]

27. What if? Why? What if? Why?

You sound like a 4 year old. :eyes:

[Common Sense Party]

48. You sound like someone with a bad case of Wishful Thinking.

But, please, when Bush and/or Cheney's impeachment happens, feel free to tell me how wrong I was.

[Breeze54]

50. You sound like a defeatist and a baby crying over spilled milk!

I don't care how much you or others say; "It'll never happen!" WAH!! :cry:

It DID happen today!!

I'll keep fighting the assholes and we HAVE made some progress today!

You can nay say all you want. We will leave you behind.

[progressoid]

61. It's not defeatist or saying nay.

It's facing cold, hard reality.

[Common Sense Party]

62. DU is not a "reality-based community."

"Who cares about results? At least he's trying! It's the symbolism! It makes us feel better!"

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. Shit! What do you think the desired end result is?

Canonization??

[flvegan]

38. The desired end result? Easy.

The rest of the House wakes up and realizes that they have indeed been shitting on the Constitution by and large quite a bit lately. They then find their collective spines and DO THEIR FUCKING JOBS.

[Common Sense Party]

47. Or, more realistically, NOTHING will happen. Nothing.

Waiting for Congress to find their brains OR their spines is an exercise in futility.

[flvegan]

49. No, it isn't.

Kucinich is doing his fucking job.

From your posts, it almost sounds like your post is your hope...

[NashVegas]

58. He Sure Is!

Dennis is being given the opportunity to let people, who are offended by Bush and his cronies trampling all over the constitution, think he's their hero.

Meanwhile, they're so happy to see the phrase "article of impeachment" they don't stop to think that it's nothing more than a piece of cheap political theatre.

Go Dennis go!

[Breeze54]

15. And a big Thank You to all the DUers who supported Congressman Kucinich!!

This was pre-planned, if you look at the wording....

"instead, the panel will conduct an election-year review "

Good post, Emily! Thank You!!

And a big Thank You to all the DUers who supported Congressman Kucinich

in his fight for justice and for signing all the petitions!! :yourock:

Keep up the good work and keep fighting!! You are all TRUE :patriot: 's !!

:kick: & Recommended

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25. El ingenioso hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha...

he believes every word of what he does to be true, despite the fact that the events he wishes for as a result are clearly impossible.

à salut and god bless...

[Breeze54]

29. Nothing is Impossible. ""The impossible takes a little longer." "

"The impossible takes a little longer."

USMC

-------------------------------------

"Impossible" is a much misunderstood word."

"Impossible" usually isn't."

"Impossible" just takes more time and more money and then it becomes "Do-able".

So, was it ever really "Impossible" to begin with?

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36. heh. i like your spirit!

"difficult, not impossible..." is what we would like to think.

but as we all saw how well that played out (in "two" as we refer to it), it is not possible.

you have to love dennis. if dennis were a dog he would be a jack russell terrier. ferocious. tenacious.

keep it up, dennis. bite at their ankles. keep them hopping and swatting.

but then there is the truth:

there will be no impeachment. politically it makes no sense in an election year when we have a true possibility of winning. the downside is too strong. and the upside is that there is no upside. again, politically speaking.


hate the democrats all you want for what they are doing now. but you will love them for what they pull off in the fall.


"hear me now and believe me later...'

[Breeze54]

39. Ever heard of Vietnam, Nixon and the Watergate hearings? - Many negative naysayers back then too. n/

[mmonk]

30. I prefer patriot for his efforts.

There is a simlilarity between windmills and the bush Democrats though even though windmills serve more of a purpose.

[Greyhound]

28. Here's 10.

Small consolation, but remember that he committed political suicide to do the right thing in Cleveland, and he came back from it with the reputation for being honest and right. Now he's done it on a national level, 2012?
:kick: & R

[Breeze54]

31. Well said!!

:toast:

"The survivor of adversity becomes indestructible if he takes wisdom from his trials."

"The man who moved a mountain began by carrying away small stones."

[tekisui]

40. Will the hearings be before Summer break?

[crimsonblue]

41. Oooooh... hearings....

yawn... wake me in November

[flvegan]

42. So you *do* or you *don't* support a move on Impeachment

of Bush, et al?

[crimsonblue]

43. i do.

but this isn't that. It's too late for any sort of impeachment inquiry to be effective.

[flvegan]

44. Think so?

Not if the idiots we "elected" wanted it to be.

[crimsonblue]

45. that's a big "if".

And I think the constant capitulation and back turning tells us they don't care.

[flvegan]

46. It's a defining "if".

Big for them, not for us.

[Common Sense Party]

56. But that's just it. You said it yourself. They're IDIOTS.

You may want to tone down the hostility and tune in to reality.

Kucinich is, as you say, doing his job.

There are 534 other people that also need to be doing theirs. Most of them are idiots. And you expect results from these idiots.

:shrug:

[babylonsister]

52. As an Obama fan, this is why I loved Kucinich. What's not to love? nt

[cobalt1999]

57. As a Kucinich naysayer I'm glad he made an effort

While I believe it's a futile gesture and won't go anywhere, at least he made the effort.

He's a good congressmen, though I still believe he'd be a disaster as a president.

[autorank]

63. k*r At least an acknowledgement and to speak very well of him

That would be appropriate because he's not finished. He has so much more to contribute.

Excellent post!

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