Kucinich Says Unidentified Foreign Official Wants to Speak at Impeachment Talks

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002917906

An unidentified government official of a U.S. ally wants to participate if and when Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich makes his case to impeach President Bush before the House Judiciary Committee, according to the Ohio Democrat.

The House voted, 238-180, on Tuesday to send Kucinich’s latest impeachment effort (H Res 1345) to the Judiciary Committee.

Chairman John Conyers Jr. said he will hold a broad hearing on the general topic of abuses of power by the Bush administration.

“There’s never been one that accumulated all the things that constitute an imperial presidency,” Conyers said, explaining that the anticipated hearing would review more than a year of committee inquiry into such matters as the firing of U.S. attorneys, the leak of the identity of former CIA operative Valerie Plame and the information provided to Congress in the run-up to the Iraq War.

Kucinich contends that President Bush ought to be impeached for allegedly lying to Congress in order to get approval to invade Iraq.

Conyers does not intend to specifically debate or hold a committee vote on Kucinich’s article of impeachment, though issues important to Kucinich would get a public airing.

....

A ‘New Angle’
No matter how the eventual hearing is framed, Kucinich said he would like to be joined at the witness table by a foreign official he would not name.

“I’ve been contacted by representatives of a U.S. ally who are seeking an opportunity to appear before the Judiciary Committee,” he said in an interview.

“Legislative leaders of a foreign capital” have a “new angle that I haven’t thought of before but is relevant,” he

[Rex]

1. I am DVRing CSPAN.

This should be a great moment in history.

[bushmeister0]

108. José María Aznar?

Bush Threatened Nations That Did Not Back Iraq War

By Agence France Presse

09/26/07 "AFP" -- -- US President George W. Bush threatened nations with retaliation if they did not vote for a UN resolution backing the Iraq war, according to a transcript published Wednesday of a conversation he had with former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar.

In the transcript of a meeting on February 22, 2003 — a month before the US-led invasion of Iraq — published in the El Pais daily, Bush tells Aznar that nations like Mexico, Angola, Chile and Cameroon must know that the security of the United States is at stake.

He says during the meeting on his ranch in Texas that Angola stood to lose financial aid while Chile could see a free trade agreement held up in the US Senate if they did not back the resolution, the left-wing paper said.

The confidential transcript was prepared by Spain’s ambassador to the United States at the time, Javier Ruperez, the paper said.

Prior to the US-led invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003, Washington unsuccessfully lobbied the 15 members of the UN Security Council for a second resolution paving the way for military action against Iraq if Saddam Hussein failed to comply with demands to disarm.

But during the meeting with Aznar, Bush made it clear the US would invade Iraq by the end of March 2003 whether or not there was a UN resolution to authorize it, El Pais reported.

“We have to get rid of Saddam. There are two weeks left. In two weeks we will be ready militarily. We will be in Baghdad at the end of March,” Bush said in the transcript which was translated into Spanish by the newspaper.

Victory would come “without destruction”, he added.

The meeting between Aznar and Bush came just days after a massive protest in Madrid by more than a million people against the invasion which Aznar’s conservative government backed.

Aznar tells Bush in the transcript that he needed Washington’s help to get Spanish public opinion behind the invasion. He adds that he is worried by Bush’s optimism.

“I am optimistic because I believe I am right. I am at peace with myself,” Bush responded.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18459.htm

Maybe Aznar is still mad about W. misprouncing his name?

[Phred42]

117. WHEN?

[drm604]

128. Has it been scheduled yet?

Any idea when it is?

[Swamp Rat]

2. PLEASE let it be George Galloway!

:bounce: O8)

[Cleita]

20. Yes, I want George Galloway too!!! n/t

[morgan2]

22. Galloway would be bad

while he is a compelling speaker, he doesn't have credibility with the us media. Someone on the international scene who would be reported on in the us as someone significant would be the only way it would have any effect.

[Swamp Rat]

24. "he doesn't have credibility with the us media" - The 'U.S. media' have no credibility.

Period.

[morgan2]

25. they dont with smart people

but without them making a big stink, impeachment won't happen. Its a simple yet sad fact.

[Swamp Rat]

34. I think Americans, in general, no longer ascribe power and credibility to 'U. S. media'.

George Galloway eats infotainers (those who pretend to be real journalists) for breakfast. Anyway, he would be speaking to the American people, not shithead infotainers. Fuck them. Who give a shit what they say and think. Hardly anyone I know, including republicans/conservatives, thinks we have real 'news' on TV anymore.

[malaise]

63. Bingo

Where is Clair Short these days?

[spanone]

72. one of your best Swamp Rat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[understandinglife]

99. True and another outstanding image, SR!

Peace,
Bob

[Cleita]

28. He doesn't have credibility with the US media? The US media doesn't

have credibility with George Galloway. You surely haven't heard him shoot down the bobble heads with facts have you?

[Joe Chi Minh]

82. You haven't been paying attention these last several years, have you? To

have credibiilty with the US media would entail forfeiting credibility on the international scene.

[Joe Chi Minh]

101. Demeter's signature line puts it very pointedly: "A society whose citizens refuse to see and

investigate the facts, who refuse tobelieve that their government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to get." -- Ian Williams Goddard

[Phred42]

116. Agree - Unfortunately

Galloway has a lot of Creds with me. But he would be easily dismissed.

[rcsl1998]

121. That's Right! Only Those Who Were Wrong...

...have credibility with the US media...

[ben_meyers]

56. Galloway would be perfect, they won't even need PhotoShop

To depict him as an ass.



Kinda looks like he landed in a UFO!

[Fire Walk With Me]

3. I hope that it's Vaclav Havel.

[seemslikeadream]

4. Legislative leaders of foreign capital have new angle I haven’t thought of before but is relevant

[SpiralHawk]

5. Pooty Poot wants to say what he saw when he looked in Commander AWOL's eyes

[NV Whino]

6. Oh good.

A UFO.

[seemslikeadream]

8. No

A UFGO

[NV Whino]

10. Um, you should read your own headline.

[seemslikeadream]

12. maybe YOU could read my whole post

at least the first sentence


An unidentified government official of a U.S. ally wants to participate if and when Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich makes his case to impeach President Bush before the House Judiciary Committee, according to the Ohio Democrat.

[NV Whino]

36. And you could lighten up a bit

[seemslikeadream]

43. Sorry I misunderstood your reply to me

[NV Whino]

48. Thanks.

[99th_Monkey]

13. My God, you've cracked the code! That's too funny. LMAO ~nt~

[Breeze54]

7. I hope it's Tony Blair !!

;)

[KoKo]

11. Ha! He got religion and that's supposed to mean he's done penance for his sins

and complicity in war crimes...and crimes against humanity for conspiring with Busholini. He needs to be hauled in too.

[petgoat]

14. Blair can't rat out Bush. W knows what kind of toothpaste Blair uses. nt

[Political Heretic]

19. I would shit in my pants, change them, and shit again.

Then die of shock.....and post-mortem shit one last time.

[earth mom]

31. I was thinking the same thing! nt

[jwirr]

47. I thought about him also. Of all the people who were our allies Toni

would know the most about the lies and I think he must have a great deal of anger at how he was used. Until he played along with *ss he had a good rep. He could testify to some very secret meetings.

[DCKit]

57. He'd just yap and yap and the panel would forget why they're there.

We need a real witness - Someone with really big, pretty tits, if only to keep their attention for three minutes at a time.

Alternatively, some dude with tons of junk and really tight pants, if the Republics need to be distracted.

And both, if we're aiming to inform and educate the public. Keep the camera on the panel and the drooling morans won't be re-elected.

[hootinholler]

69. Yeah! like Ollie North's 'assistant'...

The one who smuggled Iran-Contra documents out in her bra. What was her name? Mata Hari?

-Hoot

[kimmerspixelated]

105. Too Funny!

Too true!

[undeterred]

87. That would be awesome.

[LVjinx]

130. He might almost, *almost* be able to redeem himself if he helped bring down Bush.

[mmonk]

9. I hope the foreign official is Dennis's ace.

He will need something attention grabbing that will compel the media to discuss and hopefully dislodge bush's Democrats in the House.

[ClassWarrior]

23. Bush** Democrats!!

That's a great meme. IMPEACHMENT advocates should use that when contacting their Dem Reps. Maybe a few will start to get an idea of how their constituents see them.

NGU.

[mmonk]

27. It's what I've been calling them lately and it's exactly how I view them.

Saying it now has become second nature to me. So it should be easy to me when talking with our Representatives.;-)

[femrap]

41. When I write to a Blue Dog,

I always write 'Bush/Blue Dog....then I put a cute little sticker of a poodle on the note!

[mmonk]

42. Excellent.

Creative and it hits the mark.

[Breeze54]

50. LMAO!!

:P

[KoKo]

15. Well... it's a start but I feel Dennis was dissed by Pelosi/Hoyer. I praise him for his persistance

and yet he gets no media coverage. I watched the House Clerks read his Articles of Impeachment for Bush on the Count of Illegally lying to Congress read on the House Floor around 5:00 p.m. today. It made me so sad that no one covered it. Hearing each and every offense with documentation brought back memories of all that we who have been here on DU for so long remember reading. We always thought with each new crime that was revealed someone would do something. And, no one ever did except Dennis Kucinich.

But, he's just an elf from Ohio...who cares what he thinks. :-(

[mmonk]

21. Santa Claus is an elf. Maybe Dennis can bring us an early Christmas.

[Breeze54]

51. Wow... you're such an a** !!

:puke:

[mmonk]

64. I'm a strong supporter of Dennis and contributor. Lighten up.

[morgan2]

16. I bet its osama

he's gonna bring recordings of his conversations with bush and cheney. Ha!

[jazzjunkysue]

91. I believe they fried Sadam Hussein's brain so he couldn't rat out the rats.

Then they killed him just in case.

So, this is curious. Who did we prop up wo want's to turn state's evidence, even though they're not obligated?

Could it be that someone just wants to see justice done? Or future injustice prevented?

Let's just hope it's not Bagdad Bob, or Chalabi.

[rucognizant]

118. I'm guessing Sir Jeremy Greenstock

Not a real familiar name BUT, He has been at pertinant locations throughout.
He was UK Ambassador to UN in 2002-03.? living in NY. Then although he was at retirement age, UK Govt. twisted his arm and got him to take a post in Iraq, during Paul Bremer's tenure, for a year or two.
Then he wrote a book, (it was VERY BRIEFLY mentioned in the blogosphere 2 years ago) But I heard very recently, from a good source that the book was stiffled in Britan. He IS a countryman of Mrs. Kucinich, who herself must have a lot of connections because of her career choices!
He is likely to have an interesting perspective on the situation and a LOT OF KNOWLEDGE.

[jazzjunkysue]

132. I'm Ok with that. n/t.

[elehhhhna]

93. How 'bout Chavez? lol! Seriously, I wonder (hope) it's Abdullah of Jordan.

the imagination runs wild

[KoKo]

17. Only 8 Recs for this? I guess the OP should have put "FUCK YOU" in the Subject Line to get attention

Sad..

[autorank]

35. Well... all I can say is "What the fuck!"

...that is a time honored tradition. This one works too "FU*K" - the mind fills the missing letter.
But, KoKo01, you'll notice this went from 8 to 16 recs after you posted your reply. Go figure:shrug:

[wildbilln864]

18. k&r! Got to remember to catch that! nt

[SoCalDem]

26. UFO??

:rofl:..sorry couldn;t help myself

[mmonk]

32. Yep. That's what Dennis meant when he indicated

he was open to the possibility of UFOs.;-)

[behave]

58. damn

[NBachers]

129. Then maybe it's Klaatu and Gort.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

29. Surely it will be...

An official of a government that was intimately involved in the creation of the causus belli in the runup to the war. Italy would not surprise me, because of their intelligence service's involvement in the false yellowcake documents. If not them, then I have no clue, save, perhaps, someone from the Israeli Government or Britain. But that I doubt.

Sure hope that person brings documents.

Galloway would make for a nice performance, but he is an independent member of Parliament. I doubt he would possess much that was either substantive to the proceedings or that would persuade the committee.

[Psyop Samurai]

30. I will guess Michael Meacher.

-- on edit --

on second thought, after a fuller, more careful reading:

A ‘New Angle’

No matter how the eventual hearing is framed, Kucinich said he would like to be joined at the witness table by a foreign official he would not name.

"I've been contacted by representatives of a U.S. ally who are seeking an opportunity to appear before the Judiciary Committee," he said in an interview.

"Legislative leaders of a foreign capital" have a "new angle that I haven't thought of before but is relevant," he said. "This interest in whether we've been told the truth has extended to other countries."

Kucinich would not provide further detail.

I will go way out on a limb and guess Yukihisa Fujita.

[wildbilln864]

53. That'd be awesome!

I hope Mr. Fujita gives a similar presentation as he did here. :hi:

[Psyop Samurai]

54. Hey wildbill !...

:hi:

I'm on dial-up, so I haven't seen it, but I imagine that any presentation by Mr. Fujita is worthwhile.

"Legislative leaders of a foreign capital"... "This interest in whether we've been told the truth has extended to other countries."

...certainly fits that description more than anyone else.

Fujita has made a point of traveling to Europe and consulting with his counterparts there. Doesn't seem like he would hesitate to pick up the phone and call Dennis.

[Hubert Flottz]

76. "foreign official"

Joe Lieberman?

[elehhhhna]

83. LOL!

[MadMaddie]

33. Here is where the internets and YouTube will play a key role

my friends if you are taping or recording it we must get in on YouTube and it has to go viral....once it's in the realm of viral the media has absolutely no choice but to start covering it.....we have to become the press.

This unidentified official could blow the crimes of this administration through the roof... of this tilting administration....we need to have records of it.

[dweller]

40. yes, do what

^she said^

far and wide.

K&R :kick:
dp

[SpiralHawk]

75. "...we have to become the press." Gigadittoes

Because the republicon-owned corporate media will cover this only sketchily, and undoubtedly -- as they have in the past -- obfuscate and spin.

"We have to become the press."

Because America no longer has one.

[Ammonium]

37. The brits are the only allies we have left

I don't see how this isn't someone from the UK. Blair was the same sort of puppet in the UK as bush was here, so don't count on him. Someone high up in his cabinet perhaps.

Maybe the Queen?

[mmonk]

39. We have an ally and we have paid allies.

[Ammonium]

55. Exactly why it won't be anyone from Israel.

Robin Cook or John Prescott perhaps?

Richard Dearlove was head of MI6 from 1999 until 2004 and Stephen Lander was head of MI5 from 1996 until 2002.

Gordon Brown is too involved in keeping the war going to have anything to do with Dennis I think.

[WritersBlock]

59. Robin Cook died in 2005. RIP.

[mmonk]

62. Right on all accounts and I'm really interested in seeing

who it ends up being.

[central scrutinizer]

81. you forgot Poland!

nt

[elehhhhna]

94. i laughed

still love that line

[DutchLiberal]

96. And the Dutch governments still considers itself to be an 'ally' of Bush...

Unfortunately. :(

Maybe our prime-minister will show up, but I doubt it. :P

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. Maybe will hear the truth about Dr Kelly?

[cascadiance]

78. I would love to hear that! I SO wanted an indirect reference to Kelly in the movie War, Inc.

I'd have sent John Cusack a case of wine if he had put some sort of indirect (yet obvious) reference on how his character had helped "off" David Kelly.

Anything to bring the true story of what happened here would really perhaps enlighten the public on what was going on.

Might this person perhaps be David Manning (of the David Manning memo)? I know that Vincent Bugliosi is big on the Manning memo being far more part of his case against Bush than the Downing Street memos.

[1]

44. who the fuck wants "unidentified" foreign fucks speaking at something so important as impeachment?

are you fucking crazy?

[seemslikeadream]

45. They won't be unidentified at the hearings!

just for now

[Psyop Samurai]

46. Perhaps anyone anxious to cut through the insular and impotent Beltway doublespeak?

:shrug:

[mmonk]

67. To get the truth aired.

American politicians have difficulty with the concept.

[RainDog]

70. since our govt seems to be broken b/c too many dems were complicit

yes, it would appear that the U.S. is no longer able to govern via those in office now unless they are told that if we don't deal with our war criminals other nations will (and this has already been said by Phillip Sands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2XCkGjP5g

here's a discussion with Sands and Col. Wilkerson, who was Powell's chief of staff. Wilkerson knows that Americans do not understand what this nation is about, vis a vis the Constitution.

This govt is broken, imo. This is what we get when rule of law is no longer important to those sworn to uphold it via The Constitution. that's what has made us diff. - we are a nation of laws, not men, supposedly.

[SpiralHawk]

77. The honest and loyal citizens of the USA want the truth, so no halfassed slandering of

"foreign fucks" as you so slime, will staunch that desire of the American people to uncover the crimes of the corrupt 'republicon fucks' who have betrayed the USA

[fascisthunter]

89. I Fucking do... fuck

got a problem with fucking foreigners?


Bust out with the American arm band whenever you are ready

[Psyop Samurai]

90. lol... I was being nice since I already had a fight going in another thread. nt

[Vickers]

92. "foreign fucks"

Your eBravery is so charming!

:patriot:

[Joe Chi Minh]

102. "Are you fucking crazy?" No. You are.

[Individualist]

103. Damn the DLC

[bread_and_roses]

126. "foreign fucks?" Is everyone "foregn" a "fuck?"

Our Puppet President and his ghoul handlers have no dealings with "foreign fucks" that impact the globe and its citizens?

I find myself puzzled by your ire.

[seemslikeadream]

49. interview with Dennis

http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Chossudovsky/2008/07/Chossudovsky_1_071408_110000.mp3

[Breeze54]

52. from what date and about what?

?

[seemslikeadream]

61. July 14 2008

new stuff

We will be joined by Rep. Dennis Kucinich from his Ohio constituency to discuss and debate the articles of impeachment directed against George W. Bush.

[snot]

60. pls let us know where and when to bbe tv-ised when details available.

[RainDog]

65. Phillip Sands is my guess

he's already testified before the Senate. He has a book that lays out the reasons war crimes charges are forthcoming via European nations if we don't deal with these war criminals.

Sands has also proposed "truth and reconciliation" hearings so that those who will name names get immunity... like Pinochet and Chile during his fascist reign. Or like South Africa. That is the way Bush, et al can avoid criminal charges, it seems.

In other words, America either needs to stop believing the Fox News version of events or the Bushies need to face war crimes charges.

[Voice for Peace]

107. that's the one!

[bdamomma]

66. Now this is interesting:

"Legislative leaders of a foreign capital"... "This interest in whether we've been told the truth has extended to other countries."



Kucinich does his homework well. And its "legislative leaders" plural, maybe a few legislative leaders from other countries, am I reading this correctly.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

68. The Downing Street Memos!!!

[cascadiance]

79. Perhaps David Manning and the Manning Memo?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3370954

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

80. Now that's a strong possibility!

[elehhhhna]

95. kick

[Truth2Tell]

98. Manning is a very good guess.

Unless it's someone lower profile who can talk about the Downing Street Memo...

[cascadiance]

123. I guess if we get Dennis to say "And I'm not talking about Peyton or Eli"...,

then we can confirm this?... :)

[coffeenap]

71. K & R

Saying it again: Mr. Kucinich is STILL my hero.

[pleah]

73. K&R!

This is getting good. I can't wait to find out who it is.

[PA Democrat]

74. "representatives of a U.S. ally " Note the PLURAL. Sounds like it is more than one official.

A big K & R.

[tridim]

84. Unidentified I assume because DK doesn't want him "suicided" n/t

[cobalt1999]

85. This could be good or very bad

The good is having external confirmation and additional information aired publicly.

The bad is the psychological impact of having a foreign official participating in impeachment hearings. The old attitude of "We can fight within the family but don't stand for anyone else fighting with our family". I wonder if something like that would actually detract from the effort.

[barbtries]

86. good news

should be the most watched tv show of all time. unfortunately i anticipate a huge msm blackout. speaking of which, have they reported it? anybody watching who can tell me/ thanks

[countryjake]

88. Bet it may be Robin Butler (author of The Butler Report)...

and Philippe Sands. Some serious questioning on what was revealed by Butler's review and the conclusions Britain has reached since might make for some eye-opening testimony.

Don't know if Sands would be considered a "legislative leader"...he's part of the Queen's Court or something like that, but I'm sure he'll be itching to participate, if any hearings are ever seriously launched. For him to testify on the consequences of the damage done by our "War on Terror" and the need for certain individuals to take responsibility for that damage, in order to simply repair our USA, just might spark the whole thing onward to impeachment.

[librechik]

97. Please let it be Manning

he's got the goods on Bushie!

[Twist_U_Up]

100. 911 isnt mentioned this time round?

go figure.
smoke and mirrors.
911 was an inside job.
Never forget.

[Individualist]

104. K&R

[Voice for Peace]

106. The British guy - the queen's counsel, who wrote the book on the terror team

can't remember his name, can't find him on google

[seemslikeadream]

109. Philippe Sands

but he is not a government offical

[Voice for Peace]

111. oh, oops. but he is the queen's lawyer. that must make him a government legal person.

[seemslikeadream]

112. He has been testifying before Congress already so I don't think Dennis is refering to him

I'm sure Sands will be at the new hearing with the "UFOS" :hi:

[Sunnyshine]

110. “There’s never been one that accumulated all the things that constitute an imperial presidency,”

Thanks for that acknowledgment John, now can we do something to actually address it?

Coercion by that same imperial presidency makes for absolutely corrupt power.

The torture thingy was just a political side effect don'tcha know!:eyes:

[windoe]

113. An Allied Force to the rescue..

must have heard our SOS: Please help us with our dictatorship, remember a long time ago when we used to be sane....

[Indenturedebtor]

115. Bah they wouldn't even be getting involved if we weren't dragging the world economy to it's death n/

[Auggie]

114. Just let it be a John Dean moment

[exothermic]

119. That is the worst idea since cactus toilet paper...and the sad thing is that

I'll have to explain why.
:grr:

[jeff30997]

122. It's obvious that...

You never tried cactus toilet paper.:P

[exothermic]

124. That's true, but I have thought about it.

:D :P

[jeff30997]

120. "Unidentified Foreign Official"

From which country? Certainly not Canada with Harpo playing a Marx Brothers' version of Chimpy and the Dick.France? With Sarkonazi as Pretzeldent ? I'll go for Germany.Chancellor Angela Merkel really didn't appreciate her back-rub.

Interesting...It could be a reverse Nuremberg Trial!How cool iz dat?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

125. THIS will be interesting

Any clues as to who this individual is?

[glitch]

127. I hope he was contacted by carrier pigeon.

Otherwise that guy/gal is toast.

“I’ve been contacted by representatives of a U.S. ally who are seeking an opportunity to appear before the Judiciary Committee”

[elehhhhna]

131. kick b/c I like this thread!