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Wed Jul-16-08 08:10 AM
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Do any of the presidential polls out, ask about the Supreme Court |
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and which candidate they believe would be better?
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:19 AM
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1. That didn't do the trick in either 2000 or 2004. nt |
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:21 AM
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2. It was barely discussed in either election as I remember |
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and of course the was the so-called media presents the most important issue as the cover of the New Yorker magazine, instead of who would be best for Iraq, the economy, healthcare, social security, jobs, etc.
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:52 AM
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10. because most people just don't care. nt |
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Wed Jul-16-08 09:07 AM
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13. Well, then they deserve roberts and alito, and the view that corporations |
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should be treated as individuals
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Wed Jul-16-08 10:41 AM
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Wed Jul-16-08 10:52 AM
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15. No you don't, and neither do I /nt |
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:22 AM
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Edited on Wed Jul-16-08 08:23 AM by aikoaiko
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:24 AM
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4. I don't think the Supreme Court argument will carry the day |
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The Democrats need to seize the economy as their #1 issue. Anything less is ceding ground to McCain & co.
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:29 AM
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5. Sure the economy IS the issue now, but the consequences of the Supreme Court |
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will determine everything from civil rights, a person's right to privacy, refusal of insurance companies to pay claims, stem cell research, corporations treated as individuals, and much more that will change the country for the next 30 years
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:31 AM
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6. Go ahead: tell the voters they don't REALLY care about the economy |
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and this election should be all about abortion and stem cells.
But it's a losing strategy.
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:36 AM
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7. I didn't say the economy wasn't an issue, but the Republic as we know it |
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Edited on Wed Jul-16-08 08:40 AM by still_one
will be set back 70 years with federalist society judges
The Supreme court IS an issue, and should NOT be ignored
Incidently, the media is hardly covering the candidate's positions on the economy either
The situation we are in today is the consequence of reagan's deregulation of everything policy along with Bill Clinton finalizing that policy with the help of Congress
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:42 AM
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8. Neither candidate is making the economy the focus of their campaign |
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I suspect the reason for this is they both largely agree on most economic issues, both being globalists, "free traders", and "supply siders".
"but the Republic as we know it will be set back 70 years with federalist society judges"
Having studied Constitutional law a bit, I have to say that many, many, many decisions in the last 70 years have been poorly reasoned, highly ideological, and are decided based on doctrines made up of whole cloth. For example, where exactly did Justice O'Connor pull the "undue burden on abortion" test from? Her fevered imagination? Or the entirely un-analogous Negative Commerce Clause jurisprudence?
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:51 AM
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9. I am not going to debate abortion with you, though I feel strongy about it |
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There are a hell of a lot of other issues that federalist judges will bring back, that will put civil rights decades behind
I highly recommend the book "The Nine" by Jeffrey Toobin
One case that helped deny bork, a major federalist proponent, from getting on the Supreme Court, was his position on the right of a barber shop to refuse to give a haircut to a person because of his color
Sorry, but I will take a Stevens, Ginsberg, Souter like court ANY DAY over a Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, or Alito
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:53 AM
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11. I have a feeling that you don't know the case to which I refer |
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How am I "arguing abortion" here? Planned Parenthood v. Casey was a case that further restricted abortion, it did not enlarge it.
And Souter was appointed by George H.W. Bush. Stevens was appointed by Gerald Ford.
:hi:
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Wed Jul-16-08 09:03 AM
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12. I do know the case you are talking about, and the Casey you are referring to |
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Edited on Wed Jul-16-08 09:06 AM by still_one
is the from the same family as the Democratic Senator from Penn, who is also a very big anti-abortion advocate, and against stem cell research
However, he does distinguish himself from the republicans by at least being socially conscious about those on welfare or unemployed, which most of the republicans do not share the same empathy
I also know who Bush senior and Ford appointed
However, it has been stated very clearly, by mccain that he would appoint judges like scalia and thomas, just like bush junor said. I take him at his word
Again, I highly recommend the book The Nine.
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