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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:22 PM
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The Daily Show Slams New Yorker Cartoon Outrage
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:32 PM
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1. Love it!
Daily has a profound way of cutting to the chase.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:34 PM
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2. For those of us who can't watch video, can you tell what Jon said? n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:44 PM
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4. He makes fun of the media's outrage over the cover and then follows
up with clips of the media spreading the outrageous rumors in the first place. It's very funny and then it's quite devastating.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:46 PM
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6. Thank you. Good for TDS! n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:27 PM
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20. It was brilliant n/t
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 03:29 PM
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9. Stewart also laid out what the Obama camp's response should have been...
"Let me put this statement out for you, it's very easy. Barack Obama is in no way upset about the cartoon that depicts him as a Muslim extremist because you know who gets upset about cartoons...Muslim Extremists...of which Barack Obama is not! It's just a fucking cartoon!"

But when he went in depth into the crux of the matter ("As always, nowhere was the anger at the media hotter than in the media"), first showing clips of all of the usual dunderheads' Monday "outrage" (Chris Matthews, David Gergen, Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, O'Reilly, and Michael Medved - of all people!) and then commenting, "Good for you media! You should be outraged! How dare the New Yorker magazine present horrible misperceptions about Barack Obama without clearly stating whether or not the allegations are true! That is SO your job!", Stewart finally nailed it with scads of vids sourcing every lie the media has inserted into the public consciousness...the original propaganda we've been subjected to all year, concerning the Obamas, and wrapping with, "So now we know where the real two-dimensional figures are! Television!"

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 03:38 PM
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10. LOL! Thanks!
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 03:53 PM
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12. Obama's campaign needs to hire him!
Great response.

As for the DU response I like this quote..."It's just a fucking cartoon!"
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:37 PM
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3. that bastard elitist new yorker. what does he know.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:46 PM
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5. Actually, I think Jon Stewart gave The New Yorker a clinic on how to do satire
In Jon's segment, he mocks the Media pundits for slamming The New Yorker magazine for doing what they have done in the past-- Jon replays clips from the Media Pundits making the statements The New Yorker cartoon is suppose to mock.

I did not see the satire in The New Yorker cartoon. It was a failed attempt at satire and instead reinforced right wing frames about Obama.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 05:24 PM
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14. He knows his craft, that's for sure. nt
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:12 AM
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23. Jon is good, there's no doubt about that
but he does have a great writing staff backing him up.

I was in stitches last night while watching the segment.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 05:28 PM
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15. Maybe you could benefit from the same clinic.
TNY piled up every right wing POS in their cartoon, big and in your face. If you can mistake that for a straight depiction, I'd email Jon NOW.

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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 09:33 AM
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25. It wasn't satire. It was caricature. Thom Hartmann and Keith Olbermann both slammed it.
The Obama's were the main subject of the piece and the cartoon reenforeced every right wing frame about the Obama's. The cartoon was not satirizing right wingers about the Obama's. It was mocking the Obamas using the right wing frames.

A picture says a thousand words but the cartoonist didn't make it clear which words he intended his cartoon to say.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:28 AM
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27. First, charicature is a form of satire. Second, the piece didn't mock
the Obamas. Third, what the artist intended couldn't be clearer. He couldn't have fit one more right wing faux fear in the composition. I love Thom and Keith but they're wrong.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:13 PM
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28. The New Yorker cartoonist is wrong
He did not put those right wing frames in context therefore they are interpreted based on the viewers' POV and that is the problem.

The fact that this cartoon had to be explained by the editor of The New Yorker proves that it failed to get the intended message out to the public.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:20 PM
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29. Nope. The venue, the form and the context were the context.
That a few people don't get it is a measure of how illiterate this culture has become.

TNY cover is a traditional venue for satire.

Cartoons are a traditional venue for satire.

The content of the image is obviously satire because no one have ever seen Michelle toating or Obama in sandals. lol

The editor didn't have to explain anything. He responded to hand wringers.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:05 PM
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30. It was a failed attempt at satire and they got rightly spanked for it
by the Obama campaign and other open minded progressives.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:38 AM
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31. And most people don't read The New Yorker
They would see the front cover and think its a right wing rag.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:09 AM
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32. Not a failed attempt at satire.
Rather a failed attempt to understand satire, including by way too many people here.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:47 PM
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7. At long last...sanity, and satire directed out the "outraged".
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 01:50 PM
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8. Dog bless John Daily
Er, Stewart.

-Hoot
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 03:51 PM
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11. Here, here!
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 03:58 PM
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13. here's hoping Jon covers the Bush press conference tonight
that's always fun.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 07:31 PM
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16. Stewart's really strrreeetching here, ain't he?
LOL :)

He's had some classics and I think he's great. But the fact that he's having to try so terribly hard to portray people who were offended by the Obama cover as "JUST NOT GETTING IT!!!!" is pitiful. His own montage at the end of his segment showing the idiots in the media raising question after question about Obama's patriotism, not to mention possible socialism and racism belies the entire point of his segment.

The "thanks woman at newsstand" comment from the second vid is priceless. That woman is more than likely a voter, despite Stewart's snarky attempt to minimize her. And the fact that she sees the cover as a negative for Obama proves the point that every single person who found it offensive has been saying all along. And she probably lives in New York too -- the NYorker's infamous fan base!

This is all too funny. But on the flip side, the calories that people are burning trying to support that idiotic cover has got to be good for the waistline....
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 07:35 PM
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17. I think Stewart's off his game lately. nt
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:24 PM
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19. Get Used To It
When we have a Democratic president in January, he's going to say and do things that piss off partisan Dems often. He will call out our guys when our guys are in power and do stupid shit, too.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 08:14 AM
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24. Which is only right!
Stupid shit needs to be brought out into the light where it can decompose.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 07:47 PM
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18. J.S. rules all

He is awesome. He makes politics watchable...i can hardly watch the corporate news networks...
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 01:24 AM
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21. T'was brilliant n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 07:14 AM
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22. Thanks for the comedy break. (no text)
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:17 AM
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26. once again Jon Stewart nails it
It's a cartoon. The fact that the MSM paid so much attention to it shows that they are not to be taken seriously as a news source.
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