Contraception IS abortion

[yella_dawg]

by the current political fear-mongering /lunatic definition of the reproductive cycle. It's that definition that is at the core of the problem. What is a living being and what isn't?

I favor the Bill Hicks definition. Somebody becomes a person when he shows up in my phone book.

[El Supremo]

1. Every sperm is sacred.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

[TahitiNut]

2. Sing it! Everyone!

There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed,
But,
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on.
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came,
Because...

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.



Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathens spill theirs,
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood!



Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
God needs everybody's.
Mine!
And mine!
And mine!



Let the Pagans spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaate!

[librechik]

3. When the Dear Lord breathes the first puff of air into the baby's lungs and he cries.That's a person

Stops Bible Belters in their tracks. They find it hard to argue with that one.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Wouldn't a rubber or a diaphragm be pre-abortiion? Just keeping a sperm and egg from

meeting doesn't seem to indicate a life in being except theoretically. You can't "kill" something that exists in separate components.

[Historic NY]

5. Hum, how does oral sex fit into their scheme of things?

[sinkingfeeling]

6. But they have no answer to why their God is so pro-abortion. Less than 1/3 of all fertilized human

ova result in a live birth and this is without any human intervention.

"Actually, the statistics are more grim than Pence admits. Only about 50% of all zygotes successfully implant in the uterine wall and become embryos. And only about 65% of all embryos lead to live births; the rest (about 35%) are lost to natural miscarriage. Therefore, slightly less than one third of all zygotes lead to live births. These statistics come from Gregg Easterbrook in "Abortion and Brain Waves" (2000) and from Morowitz and Trefil, The Facts of Life. Science and the Abortion Controversy (New York: Oxford University Press, 1992). Easterbrook: only about 32.5% (65% of 50%) of all fertilized ovum are carried to term. Morowitz and Trefil: "slightly fewer than a third of all conceptions (72 percent of 45 percent) lead to a fetus that has a chance of developing." Morowitz and Trefil point out that not all fertilizations result in successful cell division -- some fertilized eggs don't even become blastocysts."

[enlightenment]

7. I recall a term my gyn used many, many moons ago -

"blotted ovum" - blot as in blight, I think; a fertilized ovum that hadn't even gotten to the really thinking about it stage . . . just sort of passing through. Blighted in that there was probably something not quite right with the fertilization process, so nature took the proper course and pointed it toward the exit.

I thought that was a pretty good way to look at it.

[azmouse]

8. My only pregnancy turned out to be a blighted ovum.

The fertilized egg attaches but never develops into a fetus. Ultrasound has allowed doctors to see that this is the most common cause of miscarriage. So implantation isn't even a guarantee of life.
Nothing worse than going in for an ultrasound expecting to see a heartbeart and seeing nothing but an empty sac where a baby should be.

[enlightenment]

9. A difficult discovery indeed.

I sometimes wonder if we aren't bringing technology into the process a little too soon. I realise that there are benefits to early detection, etc, but sometimes I think we cause more problems than we solve.

I don't know why you had an ultrasound, but it obviously made it more difficult for you to realise that you weren't really pregnant and I'm sorry you had to go through that. They seem to do ultrasounds for grins and giggles now; when I had my only child, they did one - at six months - only because they were concerned about the size of the head. It wasn't a photo op, it was a diagnostic procedure.

As you said, live birth is not a guarantee and personalising a fetus before there is any chance of viability by taking pictures of it every month is like playing Russian Roulette. More pregnancies end in miscarriage than live birth - and most of those miscarry very early in the process.

I think it's a little foolish to get attached. We used to say "wait until it takes" - and that was essentially saying "wait until it's moving and kicking" - now days people are picking out names and setting up college funds for something that hasn't even passed the embryo stage.

Again, I'm sorry you had to go through that, azmouse. My sincere sympathies.

[mmonk]

10. Can't be. It prevents conception.

Unless abortion is redefined as preventing the possibility of conception in a kind of "aborting" of the idea of it.

[Howzit]

11. True. Except for IUD NT

[Book Lover]

13. An IUD prevents implantation

A woman is not considered pregnant until a fertilized egg burrows into the endometrium. As the presence of the IUD prevents implantation, it is not an abortificant as there is no pregnancy to terminate.

[Howzit]

17. Fair enough N/T

[Book Lover]

14. Mere conception is not enough to make a woman pregnant

As I say below, a woman is not pregnant until the fertilized egg implants.

[Howzit]

16. I guess say it prevents fertilization would be more accurate? N/T

[DFW]

12. Why stop there?

Maybe Republicans and the loony religious right will enact a law making it
illegal for women to stop ovulating, therefore making sex without contraception
tantamount to guaranteed pregnancy.

They must have seen Woody Allen's "Bananas," and taken it literally:

"From now on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish! Men must
change their underwear every half hour! And they must wear it on the outside,
so we can check!"

[uppityperson]

15. Carrots are living beings. Do I have to give up veggies too?

wtf is a "living being"? That is one of the issues. What if I get an appendectomy? Does my appendix have to be kept alive in a jar or something, since it is a living being, or part of one?

[cayuga]

18. Given this logic, abstinence is abortion.