C-SPAN3 at 10am (ET) John Ashcroft answers questions about ... detainee interrogation rules

[laststeamtrain]

Former Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft answers questions about his role in the drafting of detainee interrogation rules. In a hearing last week before the House Judiciary Cmte., witnesses said that Mr. Ashcroft's staff reviewed drafts of the "torture" memo written by then-Ass't. Atty. Gen. John Yoo.

on C-SPAN3 at 10am (ET)
http://www.c-span.org/

[Kahuna]

1. Thanks for the heads up. nt

[laststeamtrain]

3. Will Ashcraft let the eagle soar?

Like it's never soared before?

Whenever I think of him I think of the Singing Senators.

Now that was some good music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singing_Senators

[williesgirl]

2. k&r

[Solly Mack]

4. Well, OK

:)

K/R

[spanone]

5. i don't recall...i don't recall...i don't recall...i don't recall...i don't recall...i don't recall.

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[Solly Mack]

6. You've seen it already!!!

[bdamomma]

7. thanks, I was wondering when they were going to ask

Ashcroft some questions.

[Solly Mack]

8. Should start soon

Got my coffee, my aspirin, my tummy meds., my NERF dart gun

[Solly Mack]

9. Conyers is opening

[laststeamtrain]

10. Shut up, Lamar.

The game ain't over 'til it's over.

"...all been briefed...yadda yadda yadda..."

Well better late than never.


Lamar Smith (R - TX)

[Solly Mack]

11. Ashcroft was on the Torture Team aka the Principals Committee

[Solly Mack]

12. distinguished?

[Solly Mack]

13. Oh..here comes the lie.... 911..911...911.... excuses everything

[Solly Mack]

14. LMAO altered perception....LMAO

America's crazy time...

[Solly Mack]

15. Fuck Ashcroft...just as guilty as the rest of them

[Solly Mack]

16. OK. I'm already ready to smack someone

and it's just Asscrack's opening remarks

[Solly Mack]

17. One more recommend? (Pretty please, with a cherry on top)

[Solly Mack]

18. translation: when we got caught..we changed

[Solly Mack]

19. Seriously? Seriously? Waterboarding isn't testing the limits?

[Solly Mack]

20. Oh well...let's not focus on the past..especially since it's filled with war crimes

[Solly Mack]

21. What a crock of shit

[Solly Mack]

22. vaguely defined (torture and abuse)

what a POS

[laststeamtrain]

23. Benjamin Wittes, Brookings fellow and research director in public law

National Review Online columnist.

Needless to say, apologist for torture.

[Solly Mack]

24. What a fucking liar! Claiming torture and abuse isn't defined

and basically says...you can't be mean...and what is "mean"?

and that the CIA shouldn't be bound by the army field manual..which, BTW, is supposed to follow the Geneva COnventions...so let's break that down

the POS is saying the CIA shouldn't be bound by the GC.

[Solly Mack]

25. He wants people immunized against being prosecuted for "enhanced techniques"

[Solly Mack]

26. Only a mentally ill - and completely corrupt - country would accept this shit as reason

[Solly Mack]

27. BRB..must go break something

[Solly Mack]

28. Whew...all better now

not sure how long it will last though

[Solly Mack]

29. America hasn't been invaded by flying purple people eaters since the war on terror

[Solly Mack]

30. See...treating it like an after action review

like torture is some learning curve

[Solly Mack]

31. Well FUCK! Need to break more stuff now...

[MadrasT]

32. K/R

Hope I can stomach this... thanks for the heads-up...

[Solly Mack]

33. I'm breaking bottles (for recycling) - every few minutes I'm tossing them- HARD

into the bin

[Solly Mack]

34. Lamar Smith is spewing forth with shit

[Solly Mack]

35. Smith bringing up what Pelosi knew and when

about waterboarding

[librechik]

148. anybody else feel like throwing Pelosi under the bus? n/t

[Solly Mack]

36. Maybe ripping their fingernails off works sometimes, and then other times

you have to castrate them...and sometimes, you just hafta ask...

[Solly Mack]

37. Ashcroft: When you're defending the country...

Yeah yeah..national security excuses everything

[Solly Mack]

38. Ashcroft got no recollection about when the torture started as opposed to the memos coming out

[MadrasT]

39. ARGH!!!

"I don't recall."

F YOU, lying prick.

[Solly Mack]

40. I need more bottles

I suppose I could start drinking beer...maybe open some wine

[leftchick]

48. have some for me

I have a wine headache right now.

[Solly Mack]

50. I gotta Crisco headache

[Solly Mack]

41. Coble being folksy to Crisco

[Solly Mack]

42. Crisco claims water-boarding yielded very valuable info

[Solly Mack]

43. "and when you're talking American lives..."

[Solly Mack]

44. Wittes...you're not much of anything

[libnnc]

45. how much do you think that egg head gets paid

to be such an asshole?

:nuke:

[Solly Mack]

46. Oh, he's probably paid well for it

[Solly Mack]

47. LMAO Ashcroft is claiming there are no exceptions for a violation of the law

but he has done nothing but praise "enhanced interrogation" as preventing anymore attacks since 911...because enhanced interrogation isn't torture (you know, like waterboarding)

[Solly Mack]

49. "You're taking me beyond my awareness of the statute" (torture)

Ashcroft

LMAO

[libnnc]

51. "If you want legal advice, you've got your own counsel..."

Oh THAT little ditty sounds familiar! That's the snarky shit that fucktard Addington spouted a week or so ago

They don't stray far from the script, do they?

[Solly Mack]

52. Can you stop kissing Crisco's ass? Your lips will slide off and you'll be

kissing his feet next.

[Solly Mack]

53. You lived within the letter of the law within your understanding of it

LMAO

[Solly Mack]

54. Torture cheerleader from California claiming torture is OK cause it worked

Gallegly

[kentuck]

This issue is turning into the biggest cover-up in history...

Hell, this entire Administration is turning into the biggest cover-up in history. Watergate was kid's stuff.

[Solly Mack]

56. You ain't never lied.

It for damn sure is

[Solly Mack]

55. Perhaps Wittes should stay at a Holiday Inn

and then he could be the expert he thinks he is

[Solly Mack]

57. Coming close? Oh, lady...we've crossed that line a long time ago

[Solly Mack]

58. lolol Ashcroft, the then AG, relied on the "experts" in his department

LMAO

He surrounded himself with smart people

LMAO

[FormerOstrich]

60. Great Thread!!

Wish I had some bottles to send you!

[Solly Mack]

62. lol! I need'em...

[Solly Mack]

59. another recollection

LMAO

[Solly Mack]

61. different cultures of different bureaucracies in the US govt.?

so, uh...the law doesn't apply across the board?

LMAO

[Solly Mack]

63. Ashcroft said the FBI was used to dealing with article 3 questions

implication being the CIA isn't..so different cultures of different bureaucracies apply the law differently

just by way of explanation

[Solly Mack]

64. I hope the next person who excuses war crimes by using 911

drops dead

I really need more bottles.

[Solly Mack]

65. Everybody wants to say what Bush is doing isn't torture but

none of them want to say what is

[Solly Mack]

66. Waters up

[Solly Mack]

67. Ashcroft isn't aware of any interrogation process that would have given rise to

prosecution for torture

[Solly Mack]

68. but he is aware of people waterboarding...though he can't recall when he was aware

[Solly Mack]

69. I do not believe water-boarding is torture

and I mean water-boarding defined as by the CIA

[Solly Mack]

70. it on depends on what your definition of water-boarding is

[Solly Mack]

71. Tell me again how Ashcroft is better than Gonzales?

LMAO

[Solly Mack]

72. Ashcroft brings up his son in the armed forces

and he wants you to know he still believes those torture memos were based in law

[MadrasT]

73. "I don't have knowledge"

Ashcroft doesn't have any knowledge of waterboarding other than what he "reads in the newspapers" and to his knowledge it happened THREE TIMES???

Yeah, and I have this bridge in Brooklyn... make me an offer... :rofl:

[Solly Mack]

74. Get this...he was on Bush's torture team but now claims he only

knows about waterboarding what he has read in the paper

[MadrasT]

76. !!!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Solly Mack]

77. I know!!! Unreal... just an incredible lie

[Solly Mack]

75. Chabot is talking with Criscoman

[Solly Mack]

78. LMAO Damn Ashcroft is so full of shit I can see the corn

[Solly Mack]

79. I've been reduced to crushing aluminum cans

[Solly Mack]

80. Wexler speaking

[MadrasT]

81. Go BOB!

:bounce:

[Solly Mack]

82. He's showing Ashcroft is lying

[MadrasT]

85. Crisco

Summary for anyone who missed Wexler/Criso interaction

Crisco:

"I DON'T KNOW"

"I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION"

"I DON'T KNOW"

BLAH BLAH BLAH

"IF I DID RECALL, IT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED"

:banghead:

Wexler: Did you say "History will not treat us kindly?"

Ashcroft: "No comment... this town leaks like a sieve."

[Solly Mack]

83. "If I had any recollection about that, it would be classified" Ashcroft

[Solly Mack]

84. Ashcroft refuses to answer about the Principals Committee aka the Torture Team

[Solly Mack]

86. Crisco's gonna need to roll in some oil after this

[Solly Mack]

87. Oh shit...a man who was on the torture team doesn't want to break the law

LMAO

[MadrasT]

88. Wexler

Wexler's twisting the screws HARD on Crisco.

Crisco's not happy.

SQUIRM repuke SQUIRM.

[Solly Mack]

89. Lungren wants to entertain us now

[Solly Mack]

90. a lot of intentional comparisons between ww2 and now

intentional because it's a if you didn't charge them then, what's the problem now defense

[Solly Mack]

91. More like sit, roll-over and legalize....

[Solly Mack]

92. KSM was tortured

TORTURED

[Solly Mack]

93. If I break my monitor can I send the bill to Congress?

For mental anguish?

[horseshoecrab]

94. delahunt

is drawing out dellinger on the sham of reliance on the sham torture memo of yoo et al

olc opinions give cover, which is the danger of the sham torture memo



horseshoecrab

[Solly Mack]

95. Keller...Clinton did it!

[horseshoecrab]

97. durn dang it!

this guy keller is a piece of work...

dellinger is good though "your question goes right to the heart of the matter"


horseshoecrab

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

100. Ain't it amazing how it always comes back to that with the Repukes? lol!

[Solly Mack]

102. Earlier they were saying no one got mad at Truman so what's the fuss now

and then they went on to FDR

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

112. I heard that...

:puke:

[Solly Mack]

113. Well, damn, Ommm...iffen you're watching, why ain't you sending me bottles?

:P

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

132. lol!!!! I have strongly suspected for well over a year now that I'm a masochist.

Watching these frigging hearings amounts to watching people sitting around masturbating. But with masturbation, there is an actual positive outcome (excuse the unintended pun). Whereas, nothing will happen as a result of these hearing. So by watching them, I might as well be banging (another unintended pun) my head against a brick wall.

:hi:

[Solly Mack]

147. I'm a glutton for punishment too

[Solly Mack]

96. OMG...what an idiot

[sabra]

99. how old is he? he is coming across like a schmuck

[Solly Mack]

101. 13? He looks 13

[blogslut]

98. Keller is a toad

"Aggressively question" - What a pencil neck scumbag.

[Solly Mack]

103. Someone spank Keller and send him to his room

[Solly Mack]

104. Not telling you anything that's classified..so fuck off

[horseshoecrab]

110. unbelievable

as an attorney he couldn't tell you about a conversation with the president. as an attorney it wouldn't be right to reveal.

Well... excuse me but was he not OUR attorney, the attorney general of the US?

Good grief. Shameless shameless shameless.

"my communications with the president are privileged communications"

good little soldier ashcroft.

[Solly Mack]

105. LMAO...and still...fuck you

[coffeenap]

109. This feels so much like the very beginning of Watergate

to me.(Of course, I was a kid then, so maybe my memories are a bit fuzzy.)

"All the reasons that are appropriate...to not answer that question." UGH!

[Solly Mack]

106. Ashcroft can't answer any questions because it's classified

privileged communications with the president

[Solly Mack]

107. If I don't get more bottles soon I'm gonna need new windows

[Solly Mack]

108. Asscrack just attacked Bushbots that have written books about Bush

[Solly Mack]

111. Course, I could just stop watching

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

114. Pence... bringing up 9/11....will they frigging stop!!!!

[Solly Mack]

115. uh..no

[blogslut]

116. Mike Pence

9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11

[sabra]

119. Pence: "if you didn't water board KSM after 9/11 I wouldn't be alive"

[sabra]

117. Rep. Mike "Baghdad similar to Indiana marketplace" Prince invoking 9/11

[Solly Mack]

118. Pence favors torture. He likes it. The other day, at the other hearing

he fairly got a hard-on

[Solly Mack]

120. Ashcroft...if you care about american lives, you support torture

[blogslut]

121. Ashcroft to Pence

9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11

[Solly Mack]

122. ticking time bomb ticking time bomb ticking time bomb..FEAR, dammit - FEAR!!!

[Solly Mack]

123. Ashcroft is grateful people were willing to use torture

[MadrasT]

124. Enhanced interrogation techniques

... include "shouting" and "grabbing the shirt", according to Crisco...

Yeah, OK... go with that...

[coffeenap]

125. "Shouting, grabbing the shirt" OMG nt

[MadrasT]

126. Tick tick tick

:nuke:

[Solly Mack]

127. Comon Shitface...say it...when the president does it it's legal

you are saying it already...just not using the exact words

[Solly Mack]

128. like anyone's stopped you from answering...besides yourself

[Solly Mack]

129. Just say No

[Solly Mack]

130. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[Solly Mack]

131. say what? history has judged Bush Inc successful?

[blogslut]

133. Oh, God

Ashcroft wants to sing.

[MadrasT]

134. Huh? Crisco sez

"The decision maker makes the right decision."

"I'm about ready to get up and sing the national anthem."

:puke:

[coffeenap]

135. Except you have already tortured people while spending time

discussing the goddam "issue". Grrr.

[Solly Mack]

136. King up...calling each other "Johns"

Hey...ashcroft said

[horseshoecrab]

137. what?

singing the national anthem? Yea, that oughta do it.

Friends, that there is a man who's outta alibis.

horseshoecrab

[MadrasT]

138. Hey Solly

How are those windows holding up for ya??? :rofl:

[Solly Mack]

139. After the threat of singing - it was close...but they are still there

Now, my coffee cup? It didn't make it.

[Solly Mack]

140. We need a new thread. Anyone? (Pretty Please?)

[blogslut]

145. Done

go here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3634236

[Solly Mack]

146. Thanks!!! New thread link above everyone! Bring bottles!!!!

[MadrasT]

141. Oh yes, Rep King...

Yes, this is all just about politics. We're just trying to smear the repukes. It has nothing to do with torture or war crimes or crimes against humanity.

Move along everyone... just playing politics... nothing to see here, folks...

[Solly Mack]

142. You need to see the future to know torture is wrong?

[Solly Mack]

143. See..been saying...turning it into a question of differing opinions

[Solly Mack]

144. I'm moving to the new thread

[MadrasT]

149. New thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3634236