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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 10:58 AM
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John Dean Says Bush Could Pardon Himself
Kall: Is that possible? He can pardon himself ?

Dean: Absolutely.

Kall: Even for something he hasn’t been charged with yet?

Dean: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Kall: So, he can say “I, George Bush, pardon myself for any possible charges that can ever be brought against me.”

Dean: That’s right. It’s inherent in the pardon power. People were worried that Nixon was going to do that. He didn’t, but he could have.

**end**

(of course, he's already done it once through the Detainee Bill in 2006 in regards to treatment of detainees dating back to Sept. 11)

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34837
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:00 AM
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1. i dare him.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:27 AM
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13. There's a simple solution to that eventuality:
a one-way plane ticket to the Hague.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:31 AM
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16. Yep. The Hague is what we need. I want to see THAT perp-walk.....
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:00 AM
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2. Yes he can and probably already has n/t
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:04 AM
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3. Undulgences
were one of the things that led to the Reformation.

I say, let Bush destroy the Republican party.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:04 AM
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4. The ICC doesn't recognize such pardons.
The possibility of justice exists.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:07 AM
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5. What are the odds that they would hand Bush over to the ICC?
Or, should he be arrested while traveling abroad, what would be the reaction of the United States to his imprisonment and trial?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:21 AM
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10. The ICC will never get their hands on Bush.
Between the US and Paraguay, Bush will never stand for his crimes.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:29 AM
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14. If he likes to travel, he would always be at risk.
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 11:29 AM by damntexdem
And governments can change, in Paraguay as well as in the U.S.

It might not be right away -- but remember Pinochet.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:42 AM
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18. No risk for him.
No country would dare.

He might be turned down for a visa from a few places, but he is in no risk of a foreign power arresting him.

Paraguay isn't in the same league as the USA.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:10 PM
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21. and he has a history of not travelling ...
remember, his only real international travel experience was the hookers, er, tequila in Mexico ...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:49 AM
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19. That's the last thread of hope, but I don't see anyone taking him there.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:08 AM
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6. Wouldn't that be admitting he did something wrong? He's not too good at that.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:17 AM
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8. I'd like to see that just for the admission
I doubt he'll ever see justice, but just the fact that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt would be nice.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:13 AM
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7. Hopefully he'll fuck that up too
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:18 AM
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9. I believe Bush will pardon himself.
And Cheney, and a bunch of others. He knows if he pardons them, the ability to pursue criminal prosecutions is cut off.

Why wouldn't he?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:31 AM
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15. Maybe he'll try to fool everybody --
and wait till January 30 to do it. ;-)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:21 AM
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11. Then we have a monarchy, will someone with nuts in the media just come out and say it?
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:22 AM
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12. It would be a de-facto admission of breaking the law. It would be an admission that he's a criminal.
Which we all know and so does he.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 12:36 PM
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22. I'm sure he and his supporters
would blame the mean Democrats who are "persecuting him for partisan gain" or some such. He has made much more ludicrous statements and people have bought it.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:37 AM
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17. A pardon doesn't remove an offence or a conviction, does it?
Doesn't it just release the person from serving the sentence or paying the penalty?

The record remains, doesn't it?

A pardon doesn't say "he never did it, the conviction was in error."

Isn't what we really want ... a record of all the mis-doings and a judgement that they are wrong for our own satisfaction and for historical purposes?


I'm just sayin'.... I'd love to see GWB in prison here or somewhere else, but it's just never gonna happen, not in my lifetime... I would have loved to have seen him & Cheney impeached and forced out of power in disgrace but that's not gonna happen at this point, so I don't really cares if he goes to jail or not. But I do care about is uncovering the truth of all that he has done and undone, and setting it aright. And for the lessons it all provides to history. GWB will pay through his reputation and his legacy and his reputation. He's not gonna go to jail anyway so it doesn't matter if he partdons himself. That would just add to his disgrace. He and his cohorts can still be investigated and an evaluation rendered, right?




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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:52 AM
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20. Bush is aware of this which is why he's so damn cocky...
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