***Ashcroft Testimony Thread #2***

[blogslut]

Thread #1 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3632692&mesg_id=3632692

View online @ c-span 3 http://c-span.org

[Solly Mack]

1. Thank you!!!!!

[coffeenap]

2. Rep. Jackson Lee is up! nt

[Solly Mack]

3. Ashcroft really thinks people are stupid

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

4. Thank you and recommended!

[horseshoecrab]

5. thanks blogslut! n/t

[MadrasT]

6. Thanks/rec

[Solly Mack]

7. I ain't saying nothing

[Solly Mack]

8. Ashcroft ain't nothing but a Bushbot

[whistle]

9. What's with the hand signals?

[blogslut]

10. Old Johnny Ash sure does hate that hospital room story

He squirms like a worm.

[MadrasT]

11. Awww

Awwww...Crisco had no food or water in the hospital and they were poking needles into him.... AWWWWWWW

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. Here we go...Harman and Pelosi said NOTHING!!!!!!

[Solly Mack]

13. Issa..bringing up Harman and Pelosi again

and what they knew

He's been driving that point home...he did it at the hearing the other day as well

[blogslut]

17. Issa is a piece of rotting trash

Worse than a buzzard. Not even as good as a putrid corpse.

[whistle]

20. Yes and what did he propose to Ashcroft...that congress be held

...to the same level of secrecy that FBI and CIA ans law enforcement people are using periodic polygraph tests....Jeebus H crepes

[pleah]

14. K&R Thanks!n/t

[Solly Mack]

15. Mmmmm fresh coffee..ruined only by that piece of shit talking

[whistle]

23. I'm drinking day old coffee through this

[Solly Mack]

26. Does it help?

[whistle]

42. My version of hitting myself on the head with a hammer, when I stop

...it feels better. I'm making a fresh brewed pot now

[Solly Mack]

43. lol! Love it!

[whistle]

74. Somehow with people like John Ashcroft out of the thick of politics these past few years

....provided an incremental uptick of peace and serenity however slight. Seeing him once more appearing before congress with absolutely no power is comforting. I can only imagine what the euphoria will be like when Bush, Cheney and the rest of the BushCo/neocon crowd are all relegated to the shadow-lands come January 2009. That is when I'll brew a pot of 100% Hawaiian Kona coffee from fresh roasted ground beans!

[Solly Mack]

105. Sounds like a plan! I love me some good coffee

[Solly Mack]

16. LMAO...Issa is worried about what he knew....

[Solly Mack]

18. 911 911 911 911 911 911 ask him about his round-up of Muslims

[Solly Mack]

19. I don't recollect

[Solly Mack]

21. I don't know

Mind you..he's being asked if HE was upset


and he doesn''t know

[blogslut]

22. The big pause

Did John Yoo shut you out, Mr. Ashcroft?

[blogslut]

24. Committee Recess for a couple of votes

And then back to the Johnny Ashcroft show!

[crikkett]

25. Thanks for this link.

[Solly Mack]

27. Out of bottles, out of cans....I need a plan

hehehehehehe

[laststeamtrain]

28. Thanks for the new thread. I'm in & out. Can't constantly mind it. n/t

[laststeamtrain]

29. Anybody remember when Ashcroft, right after 9/11...

...talked about "giving people rights" like he had no idea what inalienable meant?

That always really disturbed me about him.

[Solly Mack]

30. Yep

he was rounding up Muslim men at the time

[MadrasT]

31. I dunno...

... anointing oneself is a little creepy, too...

[laststeamtrain]

34. Well, yeah that's true.

Being in a singing group with Larry Craig & Trent Lott is, I guess, garden variety creepy compared with self- anointments.

Then there's the marble breast phobia...

The cat needs help.

[Solly Mack]

32. To recap: Torture good. Torture saves American lives and you will support it

if you value American lives. 911 changed everything. People did what they were told was legal and should be immunized against prosecution. We haven't done anything illegal.

[Solly Mack]

33. Wonder if Ashcroft is entertaining everyone during the break with his singing

[blogslut]

35. They're back

Ashcroft is justifying his bullshit

[Solly Mack]

36. best legal minds I know

LMAO

[Solly Mack]

37. to market it? to market it?

LMAO

[Solly Mack]

38. So calling it torture is just those busy-body foreigners lying about America

[Solly Mack]

40. I said they would do this...act as if it's a matter of hating America

if you call torture torture, then you hate America

if you call torture enhanced interrogation, then you're patriotic

[pleah]

39. Ashcroft actually said that!?

OMFG!

[Solly Mack]

41. Yes...to market what they are doing ("enhanced interrogation")

in a way that makes the US look good

[pleah]

44. I wish more people were paying attention to this shit! n/t

[Solly Mack]

45. Me too :(

[Solly Mack]

46. Interesting...he's answering questions about Yoo now

after the break...

[Solly Mack]

47. someone annoint him...harshly

[Solly Mack]

48. the courage to do what's necessary? Torture takes courage?

Trent Franks is claiming this

[elehhhhna]

107. well, breaking international & US law with that much gusto ain't for sissies, yanno.

[Solly Mack]

49. Now Franks is cheerleading the torture of KSM

[pleah]

56. Someone should walk up to him and

piss on his head and shoulders and tell him it is for his freedom.
:eyes:

[Solly Mack]

57. LOL He prolly alreadys pays for that anyway

[pleah]

61. LOL You're probably right!

[Solly Mack]

50. No, fuckwad...it works exactly like that.. you fucking war crime enabler

[Solly Mack]

51. Ashcroft is a war criminal

[bdamomma]

52. hey everyone this is still on

anyone watching.

[bdamomma]

53. hey everyone this is still on

anyone watching.

[Solly Mack]

55. sniff sniff...I am

:(

[bdamomma]

59. Solly, you are a glutton for punishment

I just finished reading Thread 1 and caught up, but it seems we have another bushie loyal.


he won't say crap, about techniques, he is covering his a$$ too. All these people need to be arrested. Cheney is all behind this.

[Solly Mack]

60. True...I am

I need help.

[bdamomma]

71. you need to just step back a little while, and take a deep breath.

this stuff will make your head explode. :hug:

[Solly Mack]

73. I will..as soon as they are all in prison

I know this means never...

:hug:

[PatSeg]

81. I'm watching!

[Solly Mack]

54. Torture is going to be vindicated by history?

[bdamomma]

64. like * is going to vindicated by history.

they can take that slogan "war of terror" and shove it.

What a liar, she is asking about rendition?

[Solly Mack]

67. Yes...and Asscroft claiming he doesn't know

[Solly Mack]

58. Tammy Baldwin speaking to asscrack now

[Solly Mack]

62. triangulating how the law (GC) doesn't apply outside the us

[bushmeister0]

63. This Trent Franks is a real moron.

He brought up the same quote about "coddling" the terrorists the other day. Unlike Ashcroft, he's a one tune Annie.

Like Ulysses Grant said, he knew two songs; one was Yankee Doodle and the other wasn't.

[Solly Mack]

65. addressing extraordinary rendition and turning people over to other countries to be tortured

and Ashcroft claiming he doesn't know of that happening

[annabanana]

66. He fancies himself a religious man. May I be a bug by the gate of St. Peter

the day this guy shows up.

[bushmeister0]

68. Ever heard about Maher Arar, John?

He's got Gonzo's alzheimers!

[Solly Mack]

70. Exactly...he knows...he's lying

[Solly Mack]

69. Gohmert speaking....confusing SEREs with engaging in torture

intentionally, of course

[Solly Mack]

72. Gohmert, another war crime enabler

[Solly Mack]

Yes, John...what will you say to me?

[Solly Mack]

76. Sorry..no...I know what a war crime is....what else you got?

[Solly Mack]

78. Like you were careful before rounding up Muslim men in 2001

[Solly Mack]

79. Oh..how big of you...you're tolerant of me calling a war criminal a war criminal

[bdamomma]

75. this whole waterboarding technique I think they should

be shown how it is done, and then say is this technique torture or not. Christopher Hitchens did it, only for what 17 secs.

oh crap you are a criminal. protecting their a$$es. unbelieveable.

[annabanana]

77. I get it.. We're confused.. We just "don't know" what War Crimes are..

[bdamomma]

84. let's get the ICC to explain to them.

I only wish they would drop all immunity against the US and go after these criminals period.

[annabanana]

80. He is massively dismissive of those 'liberals" who disagree with him.

[Solly Mack]

82. If you think John Ashcroft is a war criminal then you're confused

and don't understand what was happening

[Solly Mack]

83. Stop calling it enhanced interrogation technique...it's torture

calling it anything else simple allows people like Ashcroft to confuse the issue

[bdamomma]

86. all these slogans for criminal actions.

[Solly Mack]

88. Yep...all meant to help cover it all up and get away with it

[bushmeister0]

85. Oh, blash, blah, blah. The Internation Red Cross thinks you're a war criminal.

IHT:

"Red Cross investigators concluded last year in a secret report that the Central Intelligence Agency's interrogation methods for high-level Qaeda prisoners constituted torture and could make the Bush administration officials who approved them guilty of war crimes, according to a new book on counterterrorism efforts since 2001.

The book says that the International Committee for the Red Cross declared in the report, given to the CIA last year, that the methods used on Abu Zubaydah, the first major Qaeda figure the United States captured, were 'categorically' torture, which is illegal under both American and international law."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/11/america/11detain.php

And, oh the irony, he and W & Co. used acient Chinese secret:

"The New York Times reported July 2 that Bush Administration interrogation techniques for detainees at Guantanamo Bay and other secret prisons were copied, in many cases word-for-word, from torture techniques employed by Chinese Communists against American prisoners during the Korean War. Salon magazine has reported that these techniques were approved by the Bush White House.

Times’ reporter Scott Shane broke the story, noting that Guantanamo interrogators were trained in 2002 to employ the same interrogation techniques that were outlined in a 1957 chart that analyzed Chinese brutality against American prisoners of war during the Korean conflict. 'The 1957 article from which the chart was copied was entitled 'Communist Attempts to Elicit False Confessions From Air Force Prisoners of War' and written by Albert D. Biderman, a sociologist then working for the Air Force, who died in 2003. Mr. Biderman had interviewed American prisoners returning from North Korea, some of whom had been filmed by their Chinese interrogators confessing to germ warfare and other atrocities.”

Note that these were interrogation tactics designed specifically to elicit 'false confessions.'”

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/7-jbs-news-feed/1949-torture-techniques-copied-from-communists

[Solly Mack]

87. Well, congress can stop pretending the government hasn't committed war crimes

and gee, I dunno...act on it

[Solly Mack]

89. anyone bring bottles?

[bdamomma]

92. bottles, you are not going to throw them are you?

[Solly Mack]

93. No....I'm going to use an enhanced tossing technique

[bdamomma]

90. oh these guys will get theirs someday, they know they committed

crimes and their a$$es will burn in hell.

[Solly Mack]

91. Bullshit...it's not LEGAL to torture so you can't claim ignorance

[bdamomma]

94. oh crap who was that, the answers are too long, had to be

a repig

[Solly Mack]

95. and I say YES!!! to that one vote of reason

[bushmeister0]

96. OMG! This guy is Sominex!

[Solly Mack]

97. Seriously? You think excluding people from the decision to torture was the problem?

maybe the decision to torture..period..regardless of who knew..was the problem? hmmmm????

[elehhhhna]

110. next time maybe we'll have a referendum first.

[Solly Mack]

98. Not if the legislative branch rubber-stamped everything Bush wanted

before or after the fact

[bushmeister0]

99. How about we point toward a war crimes court?

[blogslut]

100. Arthur Davis is pinning this bug

I dig it

[Solly Mack]

101. Seriously. Ashcroft really wants to use the Patriot Act as an example

[bdamomma]

102. oh crap, Ashcroft is swirming

not his administration!!! funny how they are trying isolate themselves from these criminals.

[Solly Mack]

103. Ashcroft rounded up Muslim men after september 11

[bushmeister0]

104. So waterboarding was illegal, but that was decades ago! What?

You could drive a truck through that explaination, why aren't they following up?

[Solly Mack]

106. water-boarding was illegal when it was done to Americans is what Ashcroft really means

but when America uses it..it's saving american lives

[bushmeister0]

111. You know, that ticking time bomb thing. What would Jack Bauer do?

Oh right, he's in jail for DUI!

[Solly Mack]

113. lol

amazing isn't it?

[bushmeister0]

120. Maybe, Jack should have looked up Diane Beaver to give him some pre-immunity

before he decided to get behind the wheel. It worked for the CIA interrogators at Gitmo.

[Solly Mack]

108. Thanks everyone!!!!!

[blogslut]

109. All done. Committee Adjourned

What have we learned today?

[Solly Mack]

112. That American lives were being protected so that's why extreme measures had to be taken.

Without those extreme measures, that people who hate America call torture, Pence would be dead today. (he said so)

[pleah]

114. That Asscroft is slime and that he probably won't be held accountable?

:shrug:

[Solly Mack]

115. Nah..I already knew the anointed one was a piece of shit like the rest

but I didn't know that torturing KSM kept Pence alive

[PatSeg]

117. He does look very healthy these days

I don't know if he will be around long enough to be held accountable.

[bdamomma]

119. that is what they are counting on, that they will not be around

to be held accountable, especially Cheney.

[PatSeg]

121. Strange people

I'll never understand what makes them tick.

[helderheid]

116. I had tech difficulties until he adjourned it and missed it all!

[Solly Mack]

118. So..what did that teach you?

:)

[helderheid]

122. :P

[Solly Mack]

123. hehehehehe