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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:05 PM
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Every American family now owes HALF A MILLION DOLLARS....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/17/MN8Q11OT2M.DTL&tsp=1

07-17) 04:00 PDT Washington - -- As the Bush administration proposes backstopping mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with a $300 billion line of credit and Congress contemplates another economic stimulus, the question is who will bail out the government?

"People seem to think the government has money," said former U.S. Comptroller General David Walker. "The government doesn't have any money."

A rare consensus has developed across the political spectrum that the government's own fiscal affairs are precarious, with an astonishing $53 trillion in long-term liabilities, according to the Government Accountability Office.

To put that number in human terms, the debt has reached $455,000 per U.S. household. As that debt grows, the United States increasingly relies on foreigners, including China and Middle East oil producers, for financing.

"The factors that contributed to our mortgage-based subprime crisis exist with regard to our federal government's finances," said Walker, now head of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, a group established to raise alarms about the nation's budget. "The difference is that the magnitude of the federal government's financial situation is at least 25 times greater."

Baby Boomers
This year's presidential election coincides with the first retirements of the 78 million people born between 1946 and 1964. The first of this Baby Boom generation may now collect Social Security. In three years, they will join Medicare, the giant health care program whose finances are commonly described as out of control. Medicare accounts for the bulk of the nation's long-term liabilities.

The presidential candidates, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, have not addressed what the aging of the Baby Boom generation means for the federal government. Their brief forays - Obama's suggestions to raise the payroll tax on high-income earners to buttress Social Security and McCain's description of Social Security's financing as a disgrace - have been met with furious attacks.

Both promise to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on new tax cuts and spending programs. Their health care proposals concentrate more on expanding access than controlling the soaring costs that are driving the federal budget problems and squeezing workers and businesses.

Health care costs
"Health care costs are just amazing," said John Shoven, director of Stanford University's Institute for Economic Policy Research. Total health care costs now consume 16 percent of the economy and are headed quickly toward 30 percent, Shoven said. "Social Security is a big problem, but it's dwarfed by health care. Even the housing problem is dwarfed by health care."

Just the built-in rise in spending on programs for the elderly will cost about 25 percent of workers' payrolls over the next generation, said Richard Jackson, director of the Global Aging Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Robert Greenstein, director of the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, agreed that "the nation faces large, persistent, long-term deficits that ultimately risk damage to the economy. We agree that policymakers have to make tough choices soon."

There is consensus, too, on what needs to be done: Cut spending and raise taxes. A bigger problem is how to contain health care costs, but some form of rationing is necessary, experts said.

Only disagreement
The only real disagreement is whether the government's fiscal condition will lead to a financial meltdown, or whether the U.S. economy is strong enough to right itself without a sudden loss of confidence and a flight of foreign capital.

"People on Wall Street think I'm Dr. Doom & Gloom," said Kent Smetters, an economist at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania and a former Bush Treasury official. "I believe we could have a financial crisis like we've seen in South America or Asia. It could easily happen, and under current policy will happen in the United States. People say, 'Gee, give me a date.' Obviously, that's impossible, but the longer we wait, the higher the probability. Could it happen in the next decade? Absolutely."


Alice Rivlin, budget chief in the Clinton administration, discounts the possibility.

"We're a much stronger economy than Argentina," Rivlin said. The government "can handle borrowing in the range that would be necessary in a recession," she said. "What we can't handle is the cumulative long-run obligation."

Financial markets are often fixated on the short-run, and the government's finances are far from transparent. Unlike corporations, the government is not required to state its long-term obligations. Crises of confidence, like today's banking problems, strike suddenly when a tipping point is reached and investors decide to flee.

The government's fiscal problems are "like termites in the house," said Jackson. "You don't notice it until foundations are eroded."

"I had such a frustrating meeting the other day on the Hill, where one staffer said, 'We don't have a problem until Wall Street tells us we have a problem,' " said Maya MacGuineas, head of fiscal policy at the nonpartisan New America Foundation. "By the time the financial markets tell us we've gone too far, it will be too late to fix this in any rational way. We are the toad in boiling water, where it's getting hotter and hotter and nobody's really noticing."

Will they still buy?
The key is whether foreigners will continue to buy U.S. debt. They now hold 45 percent of U.S. Treasury securities, and in all about $11.5 trillion of U.S. public and private debt, say UC Berkeley economists Ashok Bardhan and Dwight Jaffee.

Chinese entities, including sovereign wealth funds that invest government savings overseas, own about 10 percent of U.S. Treasury securities. Even a minor change in China's investment policy could have a major effect on the dollar's value and cause "a sizable increase in interest rates," the economists said.

Still, because of a shortage of creditworthy debt instruments worldwide, and the large role of U.S. institutions in global credit markets, foreigners have little choice but to invest in the United States, they said, predicting "slim chances of abrupt change."

Action needed soon
Whoever's right, all agree that the sooner the problem is tackled, the better. "Like almost any financial problem, if you don't work on it, what happens is it compounds with interest," Shoven said. "There are lots of ways to fix it, and what we pick is none of the above."

The staggering U.S. debt
The federal government's finances are in worse shape than its annual budgets show, because the government is not required to state its long-term obligations, which work out be about $455,000 for every household in the nation.

Breaking down the numbers
Current liability:

Social Security: $6.7 trillion

Medicare: $34.1 trillion

Total long-term government liability: $53 trillion

Source: Government Accountability Office, Long-term Fiscal Outlook, Jan. 2008

Where it goes
U.S. debt held by foreigners as of mid-2007:

-- Foreign holdings of U.S. equities: $5 trillion

-- Foreign holdings of U.S. corporate bonds: $3 trillion

-- Foreign holdings of U.S. Treasury securities: $2 trillion

-- Foreign share of U.S. Treasury securities: 45 percent.

Source: UC Berkeley economists Ashok Bardhan and Dwight Jaffee, YaleGlobal online, April 2008

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:09 PM
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1. Damn, all my money was in IndyMac.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:13 PM
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2. can i write a check??
oh, by the way...can you hold it till next friday??
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 05:09 PM
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17. There's an idea!
Write a check to the feral gubmint. They cash it. It bounces. They have to feed and shelter you for 20 years!

Damn! Win-Win!

-Hoot
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:14 PM
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3. but but but its not fair to tax the rich
:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:01 PM
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8. why tax the rich when we can tax you?
:sarcasm:
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:21 PM
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4. "but some form of rationing is necessary" is CodeSpeak meaning
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 03:24 PM by SimpleTrend
we won't let you have Medicare for All (I believe it's HR 676). Note that sentence is by "experts say", in other words, nobody will admit saying it.

Never mind that Medicare for All will cost less overall than the rationing health-care system we currently have, fully loaded as it is with all its graft for insurance corporations.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:23 PM
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5. But it's a mental debt.
All in yer head

:sarcasm:


















Oh, and quit whining...

:hurts:
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:27 PM
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6. boomers
Ayet, I just read that the average net worth (including home equity) for 44 to 55 year olds in the US is a whopping $133K. If present house price trends continue, the average net worth for these folks might fall to zero. Compare that with the $500K liability about which you speak.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 03:37 PM
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7. Break Open Your Piggy Banks

:(
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:33 PM
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11. If I were a carpenter, I'd hammer on my Piglet. I'd take the $7 ...
and buy a big prosthetic forehead and wear it on my real head.

Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads to wear on their real heads.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:47 PM
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14. Everybody wants a rock ... n/t
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:30 PM
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9. How about just rounding that to an even full million ...
and handing over the other half-million to us now in cash?

;-)
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:32 PM
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10. "People seem to think
the government has money," said former U.S. Comptroller General David Walker. "The government doesn't have any money."

butbutbut, didn't congress just agree to give *moron another gaziillion dollars to fund the continuing iraq invasion?


oh, you mean the gov't doesn't have any $ now...


well, at least we're still stronger than argentina... yay us. :eyes:
dp
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:34 PM
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12. I'm afraid they'll have to take my IOU.




BushCo has me all tapped out for the foreseeable future.




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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:37 PM
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13. The US doesn't have any money? What a WHINER! Besides, deficits don't matter.
Even better, whittle off a gold brick from Fort Knox and that'd be enough to pay back our existing debt...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:51 PM
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15. That $5 Trillion they own in equity is not debt by its very definition.
However, it is actually more disturbing because that is actually a claim on the capital of our companies.
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peanut2010 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:55 PM
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Just add that to the rest of my over due bills
Can the country file bankruptcy,I think it might quallify.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:55 PM
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16. Once again, big business wins, everyone else gets fucked
Why doesn't the government give US that much credit? We elect them and keep them in office and they have no idea of how many of us are losing our money and our houses.
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