Are the Dems letting * slide so he can't pardon anyone when he leaves office?

[devilgrrl]

I've been wondering that, because their (the democrats) inaction is beyond infuriating. Are they sitting on their hands so they can go for the kill should Obama win November? I'd like to think that... but I won't hold my breath.

Just thought I'd ask.

[fascisthunter]

1. oh you devil....!

Good question, and I will be waiting to see what others have to say to this.....


:popcorn:

[Merlot]

2. That theory had entered my mind as well

Though I also think there is some concern that going after bushco will take down some dems as well.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. So if he isn't held accountable he won't pardon anyone?

I am not following you here. Sorry.

[devilgrrl]

9. No.

If the dems had gone after some of them and they were convicted, * could pardon them, right? I think he'll pardon Scooter Libby, don't you?

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Oh okay gotcha

And no, I don't think that's what is motivating the Dems. I honestly believe they think impeachment will upset the American people.

[indepat]

17. Dems know they have been complicit enablers

:D

[jaysunb]

19. Amen

Especially the leadership.....

[hisownpetard]

26. Complicity, plain and simple.

[PeaceNikki]

20. Or they live in this super cool place called "reality".

Where it's not all rainbows and unicorns and they understand that a failed attempt = a total waste of time, potentially a lost election, and exoneration of the parties being tried.

[mmonk]

38. Reality is hidden with their help. Their reality is undemocratic

amd morally bankrupt. The price for all of us is living this lie. The price for the party if something doesn't change is losing those of us who know.

[DearAbby]

4. Hope in one hand

crap in the other, see which one fills up. In 06 I might have believed that...now, not so much.

[VP505]

5. No, they are letting *

slide because they are complicit, should they hold him accountable they they would have to reveal how they let him do his misdeeds.

[Lasher]

6. No.

[still_one]

7. There is no excuse for the Congressional Democratic inaction

we have had eight years, and what do they have to show for it?

What is the excuse for those Democrats who voted for the IWR or the patriot act?

What is the excuse for those Democrats who voted for the bankrupcy law?

What is the excuse for those Democrats who voted for roberts or alito?

[mmonk]

8. Nice to think about but doubt it.

Many have voted to try and retroactively cover over or legalize crimes. Many have voted to do away with checks.

[randr]

10. Let's hope so!

[AlphaCentauri]

11. well you know how thing when on with Clinton

as far I can see not too much action in capital hill

[DearAbby]

12. Watch them say

"For the sake of the Nation, it is time to move on" Nothing will be done. I don't see it.

[MarianJack]

13. Let Me Bounce One Off You

How about a President-elect Obama offering the moron a pardon IF he agrees to pardon nobody else in his administration on the way out the door?

I think that the moron is enough of a coward and has such little personal regard for anyone else that he may just do so to save his own ass.

Really, he'd have nothing to lose in accepting. his is certainly going to be among the LEAST sought after former president's opinions in history.

PEACE!

[gateley]

23. He (Obama) won't do it. nt

[MarianJack]

40. I Don't really expect him to,...

...but I was just proposing a hypothetical.

I think it's almost a certainty that moron's last day in ofice will be spent granting pardons to all of his criminal cronies.

Of course, the rightist talking heads will defend this as vociferously as they attacked Bill Clinton;s pardons.

PEACE!

[Golden Raisin]

15. No. They've just totally capitulated

for almost 8 years whether the reason is no spine, blackmail, complicity, or fill-in-the-blank. The tiny handful of exceptions with guts and balls (like Feingold) simply weren't enough.

[Larkspur]

16. Bush will grant a blanket pardon to all his cronies and will pardon himself

on the way out of the WH. Whether or not a President can pardon himself is a debate among Constitutional lawyers. Bush is arrogant enough to do it and laugh at the Democrats and Constitutional lawyers protest his bold but corrupt pardon.

[mmonk]

18. Who knows? We don't have any experience at living under

dictatorship. It's all new from here.

[gateley]

21. I think you're giving them too much credit.

I'm guessing they're just all just hoping it will whimper away when Obama takes office. Infuriating is right. :grr:

[Riddler]

22. First of all, with very few exceptions, none of which are in leadership positions, the dems

in congress aren't smart enough to have a plan of action. Secondly, it's my understanding via discussions here on DU that if impeachment proceedings are started against a president, he loses his pardoning powers. But since impeachment is "off the table" there's nothing else going to happen to deny the ability to issue blanket pardons to his partners-in-crime. Oh yeah, there is one thing, a contempt of congress arrest denies that person a presidential pardon, but who in congress has the spine to arrest any one of the criminal bastards?

[Benhurst]

24. Rember the justice served up to the Iran/Contra criminals under Clinton?

Well, then you won't be surprised when the current gang of criminals gets off.

President Obama in a frisson of "bring us together," will not go after a single member of the Bush Crime Family. But we will all join hands and sing a chorus or two of Kumbaya, and all will be right with the world.

[Edweird]

25. He's going to pardon a record number of dirtbags no matter what.

I think they are complicit or chickenshit or both.

[Fire Walk With Me]

27. Much in the same way that Saddam was going to leap into action with is his hidden WMD

years after the US invaded.

[MilesColtrane]

28. They are "letting him slide" because they can't remove him from office.

They can impeach him, but that is all.

Congressional Dems have worked the political calculus and have determined that having an impeachment trial that ends with the status quo simply makes them look like vindictave, partisan jaggoffs in the minds of a lot of American voters. You know, the way the Republicans looked after Clinton was acquitted.

[mmonk]

30. That doesn't explain their votes to damage our Constitutional

protections or votes to make illegal activity legal.

[MilesColtrane]

36. That's because I wasn't trying to explain their shitty voting record.

[Overseas]

29. That is a pleasant thought. No charges = no pardons = get em later.

That would be wonderful.

[spanone]

31. they are not that united....

[MonkeyFunk]

32. I don't understand the question

There's nothing to stop Bush from pardoning people as he leaves office, no matter what they do.

[mmonk]

33. In all honesty, about a third support for some reason

either what has been done or are scared of what public revelations would do or reveal. I wouldn't mind seeing that third at some future date replaced with better Democrats along with any leadership that holds them in place as a political force..

[Duer 157099]

34. Keep that powder dry, baby!

There was a time when I might have gone along with this thinking. But too many times, it's been shown that I was a fool to have ever believed it.

Fool me once...

[Marr]

35. No-- Bush can pardon everyone preemptively.

The Democratic leadership is bought and paid for. That's why they haven't impeached.

[CreekDog]

37. i keep wondering that

since he can't pardon people that aren't charged with anything.

and apparently he cannot pardon people in his cabinet either.

[kentuck]

39. I doubt that to be the case...

It's not in their DNA. I think it is more likely that they wish to play it safe in order to regain power. It is all about power. They will simply write it off as a bad experience and no one will be held accountable. You are right about one thing - they are sitting on their hands.

[yurbud]

41. I hope you're right, but there's little to support that beyond hope. Dems have a history

of turning the other cheek no matter how egregious the GOP sins.

[madokie]

42. Who knows but it very well could be

I'm not sure how war crimes pardons work though
I ask can bushco get by with saying that we are not part of the International Criminal Court now that they likely have commited war crimes themselves. Will the ICC let all this pass as it is? I think not, sure hope that'll be the case anyway.