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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:59 AM
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Phil Gramm's UBS Bank BUSTED in $18B Major International Tax Scandal --- Where's our MSM???
$18B in Hiding

By Alexis Glick
Hold onto your hats this is going to be UGLY. Did you hear about the federal investigation into the private banking practices at UBS? Apparently, the Senate subcommittee on investigations released a report yesterday saying that UBS’s offshore accounting practices helped American citizens hide $18 billion from the IRS. As many as 19,000 accounts according to the IRS. Roni Deutch, a tax attorney and frequent guest on Money for Breakfast told me this morning that it could be A LOT more.

It sounds like a spy novel but it’s true according to the IRS and others investigating the practice of illegally hiding funds in offshore accounts. This involves all kinds of misdeeds and heads will role not only at UBS but at other institutions who did the same thing. As Roni rightly points out, the individual taxpayers, American citizens, who hid their money with this bank will also be in hot water and will likely face jail time or fines. It’s an unbelievable story...

http://glickreport.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2008/07/18/18b-in-hiding/

More details on Leichtenstein tax haven scandal
Posted: July 20, 2008, 8:59 AM by DrewHasselback
Banks
There's been a few interesting developments in the on-going Liechtenstein bank scandal.

A man identified only as "Elmar S" has become the first German citizen to be convicted of using secret bank accounts in Liechtenstein to evade taxes. Elmar S was given a two-year suspended sentence and order to give 7.5-million euros to charities and the state. The man admitted to evading 8-million euros in taxes, and was given a relatively light sentence because he cooperated with authorities.

Another big development came when U.S. Senate investigators released a 114-page document that among other things shows how Liechtenstein is used as a tax haven. The document was released prior to a hearing on Thursday at which UBS, Switzerland's largest bank, announced it would no longer help U.S. investors hide funds in secret accounts offshore.


The Liechtenstein tax scandal erupted earlier this year. Heinrich Kieber, a former employee with LGT Group, a bank owned by Liechtenstein's royal family, snuck off with computer records showing how individuals from all over the world — including some from Canada — use the sleepy alpine enclave as a place to hide money from tax agencies.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/legalpost/archive/2008/07/20/more-details-on-leichtenstein-tax-haven-scandal.aspx
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:03 PM
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1. CNN's headlines:


'Dark Knight' sets opening weekend record
A Warner Bros. executive says the Batman sequel "The Dark Knight" has taken in $155.34 million to top "Spider-Man 3" for best opening weekend ever at the box office. Studio distribution chief Dan Fellman says "The Dark Knight" also broke the "Spider-Man 3" record for best debut in IMAX large-screen theaters with $6.2 million. full story

* iReporters gush over 'Dark Knight'
* Review: 'Dark Knight' a stunning film

SHOWBIZ
Dwight's good day
"The Office" star Rainn Wilson gets nominated for an Emmy and then does the weather live on CNN
TIME.COM
You can quote me on that ...
The new poet laureate can't help but rhyme; the places veterinarians put their hands; poacher fears in Kenya
TRAVEL & LEISURE
Great waterside restaurants
Memorable dining spots with water views from Maryland crab shacks to bluff-side restaurants in California
Latest News

* WPLG: Boy left in car dies before wedding
* Corpse in baby mystery identified
* British PM demands end to Israel settlements 49 min
* Obama meets with Afghan president
* Misunderstanding leaves 9 dead in Afghanistan
* Kurdish rebels release German hostages
* British PM calls for release of Iraq hostages
* Buy this house, get a car
* Taiwan businessmen missing off Madagascar
* Ticker: WH forwards praise for Obama plan
* Tropical storm skirts North Carolina 37 min
* Iraqi PM quoted as backing Obama's plan
* iReport.com: Iraq: Your advice for next president
* KOCO: Man takes wounded woman to TV station
* Golf.com: Follow British Open leaderboard
* Shannen Doherty reprising role on '90210'
* Search grows for dog missing at airport Video T-shirt
* Did Obama 'work his way' through school? Video
* Study: 1% of us have 'violence gene' Video T-shirt
* Cops use stun gun on blind woman Video
* CNN Wire: TS Dolly forms in Caribbean


Not a word about that... the do manage a bogus headline about Obama, though...
* Did Obama 'work his way' through school? Video
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:38 AM
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52. Is Drew Hasselback
related to Eizabeth of the View?
They had Gerri Willis of CNN money on pitching her new book and Liz insisted on defending the REPIG McCain's tax cuts, right after it had been revealed that hte Fanny Freddie bailout was coming from OUR pockets!
So far..CNN Money at noon is still making believe that we have a normal country!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:09 PM
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2. Headline: MSM ignores ANOTHER story that embarrasses Republicans!!
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 12:09 PM by annabanana
This epidemic is showing no signs of ending. Every day brings another "ignore" to the attention of The Rest of the World and U.S. Bloggers.

(Experts suspect that the love of money is the root of THIS evil along with many other "MSM based incidents" over the past 8 years.)
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:12 PM
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3. Wow! Who'd have "thunk" it? Gramm involved in corruption and the MSM ignoring it?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:00 PM
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10. I think that is why he resigned from the McCain camp.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:40 PM
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15. Yep, reinstated in the a.m., resigned in the p.m., on the day
that this story got traction in the International press.

Imagine, McC's financial guru busted for sheltering BILLIONS from taxation , illegally, from about 15 different countries.

And this is the tip of the offshore iceberg, people. I've been keeping my eye on this offshore laundering since I fell in love with Grand Cayman (for snorkelling, you can't beat it.)
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:17 AM
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50. Isn't it a hoot that Grand Cayman is the old pirates headquarters...
New cove - same as the old cove eh me hearty?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:17 PM
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55. great point!
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:40 PM
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56. went there on the honeymoon - we watched the last Pirates movie the night before we got there
When we pulled in they said "tortuga" on the fery from the cruise ship. I was like "Hey don't they launder money here?" :lol: Really cracks me up.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:14 PM
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4. Being ignored because the people who own the networks are the same
people who own those offshore accounts! When you hear about tax evasion & offshore accounts, it NEVER involves people like you and me!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:52 PM
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9. If only we can prove it.
I'm more inclined to believe that it's their ad customers who are involved.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:41 PM
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16. It's also your govenment officials. Lots of them.
bank on it.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:59 PM
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24. Now, THAT would be embarrassing.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:26 PM
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35. But Very Efficient!
Think of all the political trials that could be skipped because the perps are in on tax fraud charges, much stiffer sentences, less likely to be pardoned, and then war crimes for the most deserving...we'd save a bundle in court costs and time! Not to mention the asset stripping....
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:28 PM
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36. Well, hell, what are we waiting for?
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 08:39 AM
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43. one of the first things congress did 7 years ago was to change the law regarding
financial disclosure for members of congress, The extent of corruption is, well, it's institutional now. No shame whatsoever.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:52 AM
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48. How many billions (or is it trillions by now) has Cheney grooved to Halliburton and friends?
We know he didn't do this just because he's a good guy. You can bet he has the mother of all offshore accounts.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:21 PM
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5. Other news
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 01:06 PM by Dover
Report reveals UBS role in tax scandal
Miami Herald
July 18, 2008

As banks in Switzerland and Liechtenstein came under scrutiny for helping wealthy clients avoid U.S. taxes, the road led through South Florida and swanky local events that attracted the ultra-rich.

http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/608682.html

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DailyKos
Gramm's Connection To Another Scandal
July 18, 2008
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/18/103016/902/869/553398


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UBS’ Liechtenstein adviser helped scandal-tainted clients
8 July 2008 - Press Briefing/Wealth Bulletin

http://www.wealth-bulletin.com/home/content/2451172025/

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UBS Liechtenstein Adviser Had Scandal-Tainted Clients (Update2)
Bloomberg
July 7, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aQ0F3sVqtFlE&refer=home


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Tax scandal leaves Swiss giant reeling

The Observer, Sunday June 29, 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/jun/29/ubs.banking

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The Wall Street Journal: U.S. to Seek Client Names From UBS In Tax Case
May 2008

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/05/15/shell-cfo-peter-voser-is-a-director-of-the-scandal-hit-ubs-swiss-bank-in-financial-meltdown/


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Bloggers' collection of stories on UBS scandal
http://wordpress.com/tag/ubs/


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From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS_AG

UBS Controversies:


In January 1997, Christoph Meili, a night watchman at the Union Bank of Switzerland (as UBS was then known), found the bank historian destroying archives compiled by a subsidiary that had extensive dealings with Nazi Germany, in direct violation of a recent Swiss law (adopted on December 13, 1996) protecting such material. UBS acknowledged that it had "made a deplorable mistake", but maintained that the destroyed archives were unrelated to the Holocaust. Meili was suspended from his job at the security company that served UBS, following a criminal investigation into whether his whistleblowing had violated bank secrecy laws.<11>

In 2001, UBS was blamed for refusing to extend Swissair's line of credit, forcing a grounding of Swissair's planes on October 2, 2001. UBS Chairman Marcel Ospel was blamed by many for ostensibly evading the request for an extension of Swissair's line of credit, and the day after the grounding, thousands of demonstrators marching in front of the Swissair headquarters carried a banner reading "Bin Ospel" (comparing him to Osama bin Laden because of the effect of his actions on airlines' business).<12>

In April 2002, Bank of America sued five people who left its asset- and mortgage-backed securities groups for UBS, alleging that the five conspired to steal trade secrets, proprietary software and clients from Bank of America. Bank of America filed a lawsuit for US$ 20 million against Shahid Quraishi, Peter Faigl, Paul Scialabba, Reggie DeVilliers and Daniel Huang, who had previously worked for their asset-backed group based in Charlotte.<13>

On March 20, 2003 UBS client, HealthSouth and its founder/CEO Richard M. Scrushy were accused by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) of an accounting scandal where the company's earnings were falsely inflated by $1.4 billion. In 1996, Scrushy allegedly instructed the company's senior officers and accountants to falsify company earnings reports in order to meet investor expectations and control the price of the company's stock. In certain fiscal years, the company's income was overstated by as much as 4700 percent. The $1.4 billion represents more than 10 percent of the company's total assets. Three senior bankers at UBS Howard Capek, Benjamin Lorello and William McGahan, all whom had extremely close relationships with HealthSouth's management, all testified for congressional hearings, but none was convicted of any wrongdoing. McGahan, who was in jeopardy of losing his employment with the firm at the height of the scandal <14>, later resigned on April 10, 2004 for personal reasons not related to the scandal. <15>

On May 10, 2004 UBS was fined $100 million by the U.S.Federal Reserve for illegally transferring funds from an account set up by the Federal Reserve at UBS to Iran, Cuba and other countries presently under a U.S. trade embargo. <16>

In April 2005, UBS lost the high profile case Zubulake v. UBS Warburg, a discrimination and retaliation suit. The plaintiff Laura Zubulake, a former institutional equities saleswoman at the company's Stamford office, alleged her manager, Matthew Chapin, had undermined and removed her from professional responsibilities, excluded her from business outings, belittled her to colleagues and generally treated her different from the men on her desk. Also, she alleged that there were several sexist policies in place, such as entertaining clients at strip clubs, that made it difficult for women to foster business contacts with clients.<17> An important event in the case was that UBS had not preserved relevant e-mails after the litigation hold had been in place. Because of this, federal judge Shira Scheindlin gave the jury a final "adverse inference" instruction, in part stating, "The fact that some UBS employees failed to preserve their e-mails after being instructed to do so, and that such e-mails cannot now be produced, is sufficient circumstantial evidence from which you are permitted, but not required, to conclude that the missing evidence was unfavorable to UBS.". The jury found in favor of Zubulake on both claims and awarded $9.1 million in compensatory damages (including back pay and professional damage), and $20.2 million in punitive damages. The case was seen as a landmark in the realms of e-discovery, document retention, computer forensics, and human resources.<18> <19>

The Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) alleged that UBS had played a role in the 2004 Black Monday stock market crash which followed the National Democratic Alliance government’s defeat in the general elections. SEBI's ruling of May 17, 2005 barred UBS from issuing or renewing participatory notes for a period of one year.The ban was later lifted on appeal, as a result of a government tribunal ruling on September 9, 2005.

On October 18, 2005, three African-American employees filed a class action lawsuit against the company in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York alleging racial discrimination in hiring, promotion and other employment practices. The three plaintiffs in Freddie H. Cook, Sylvester L. Flaming Jr. and Timothy J. Gandy v. UBS Financial Services, Inc., claim that segregation and discrimination in job assignments and compensation were widespread and the firm had done nothing to diversify its workforce. The lawsuit also claims offices operating in Largo, Maryland and Flushing, New York were illegally created to serve African-Americans and Asian-Americans respectively, and that the firm’s management frequently ridiculed the Largo branch office and its staff, referring to it as a “diversity” office. On April 23, 2007, U.S. District Judge, Peter J. Messitte, granted plaintiff's request to dismiss the class allegations without prejudice. As a result of this dismissal, the case now comprises the individual claims of three plaintiffs. <20><21>

In an article published by Reuters on Feb 23, 2008, Brazilian public prosecutor Karen Kahn announced that several employees of UBS as well as others from Credit Suisse, Clariden Leu and AIG were under investigation by federal authorities.<22> In 2007, police arrested 20 people, including bankers at UBS, Credit Suisse unit Clariden and AIG Private Bank after the discovery of illegal activities including money laundering, tax evasion, fraudulent banking and operating without a banking license.<23>
In an article published in BusinessWeek on February 26, 2007, it was announced that the firm was under investigation by federal prosecutors in the United States after it was discovered that traders working for at least two unidentified hedge funds were paying a UBS employee for information on impending ratings changes on stocks.<3> It was later announced on March 1st, that Mitchel S.Guttenberg, an executive director in the firm's equity research department, was being charged along with 13 other individuals from various firms with insider-trading fraud of more than $15 million. <24>

During the third quarter of 2007. Peter Wuffli stepped down as CEO of the firm amid significant writedowns related to subprime banking exposure (CDO's/derivatives) in the United States. More than US$13 billion in mezzanine debt and more than US$20 billion in total subprime exposure were written off, forcing UBS to cut its dividend or increase capital in order to protect UBS's traditionally high tier 1 capital ratio, seen by investors as a key to its credibility as the world's largest wealth management company.

On April 1st, 2008 UBS announced—and it was writing down a further $19 billion on its investments in American subprime and other mortgages, as part of an unexpected SFr12 billion projected loss in the first quarter. The Swiss bank also said it would call on its shareholders to supply SFr15 billion in additional funds to shore up its depleted reserves of capital. That means shareholders face dilution, and UBS's sovereign-wealth backers may add to the potential losses (albeit paper ones) they have suffered since December. In penance, Marcel Ospel, architect of the merger that created UBS in 1998, said he would step down as chairman, to be replaced by Peter Kurer, the bank’s general counsel. With only 86% approval this appointment was controversial at the shareholders meeting. As reported by the Wall Street Journal, there were many "boos and hisses" upon the announcement of Kurer's appointment

On May 6th, 2008 UBS announced plans to cut 5,500 jobs by the middle of the next year, including new graduates hired in Fiscal Year 2008.<25>
It was reported on June 22, 2008 that the US Federal Bureau of Investigation had made a formal request to travel to Switzerland to probe a multi-million-dollar tax evasion case involving UBS.<26> The New York Times reported that the case could involve some 20,000 US citizens. This is reported to be a consequence of information revealed in 2006 by a UBS client at risk of prosecution for US tax evasion<27>.

On July 17, 2008 the US Senate disclosed that the U.S. loses around $100 billion annually due to offshore tax evasion.<28> The Senate report accused Swiss bank UBS AG and Liechtenstein's LGT Group for allegedly marketing tax-evasion strategies to wealthy Americans.<29> U.S. clients hold about 19,000 accounts at UBS, with an estimated $18 billion to $20 billion in assets, in Switzerland, according to the findings from the Senate probe and Justice Department prosecutors.<30>

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:05 PM
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26. UBS board members stepping down
UBS (UBS) has adopted new rules on corporate governance as four of its board members will step down and be replaced on October 2, according to The Wall Street Journal. The company had been criticized for the close relations between its board and management. Stepping down will be Stephan Haeringer, Rolf Meyer, Peter Spuhler and Lawrence Weinbach; their replacements have not yet been named.


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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:29 PM
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27. Stepping down & lawering up. Guaranteed.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 08:42 AM
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45. It's only July. Stepping down on Oct 2. Is this for this year?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:36 PM
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28. The Texas/UBS connections
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 02:53 PM by Dover
Just a collection of articles outlining some of UBS's dealings in Texas. No doubt the tip
of the iceberg:


Former Senator From Texas/McCain Advisor at UBS

Sen. Phil Gramm has been at the Swiss banking giant, UBS since 2002. During that time, the bank has (like many banks/brokers) encountered some major losses. This fact may take on more importance as the US Presidential election draws near as Sen. Gramm has been touted as a possible Secretary of the Treasury in a McCain administration.

Quote:
Former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm has emerged as the key behind-the-scenes economics/Wall Street guy for John McCain and is being touted as the treasury secretary in waiting. Since 2002, Gramm has been an executive with the U.S. operations of UBS, the giant Swiss Bank. An unintentionally hilarious interview with Gramm on the Wall Street Journal editorial page last week asserted that Gramm has "been a key instigator of some of the biggest money-making UBS deals of recent years." The interview was noteworthy not just for first-class butt-kissing, but for deliberately gliding over the avalanche of disasters in the past year that has turned UBS from a respected Swiss titan of discretion and risk management into a laughing stock.

UBS used to stand for Union Bank of Switzerland. But perhaps it should stand for Untold Billions Squandered.

Here is a link to the entire article, which article has many links to other informative articles as well: http://www.slate.com/id/2194933/



Texas Republican to Join UBS After He Retires From Senate
October 8, 2002
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E07EFDB103BF93BA35753C1A9649C8B63

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Newsweek:
The Senator and the Swiss Bank
Did Texas' Phil Gramm help undo UBS?
Jul 8, 2008
http://www.newsweek.com/id/145011?from=rss

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Wealthy Americans Under Scrutiny in UBS Case
June 6, 2008

http://www.shapleigh.org/news/1988-wealthy-americans-under-scrutiny-in-ubs-case


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John McCain's Gramm Gamble
The GOP presidential nominee is relying on the ex-senator who helped bring you the mortgage crisis and Rick Perry.
Texas Observer
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2767

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UBS latest to offer services to Houston's mega-millionaires
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2008/04/07/story6.html

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Gov. Perry's son hired by UBS
Dallas Morning News
Feb. 13, 2007

AUSTIN – UBS, one of two large financial firms consulting with the governor's office over the possible sale of the Texas lottery, hired Gov. Rick Perry's son to work in its Dallas office about two weeks ago.

The governor's office said that there is no relationship between the two events and that Griffin Perry, 23, is a bright young economist who is pursuing a career on his own merits.

..snip..
The staff of the governor's office called both Morgan Stanley and UBS for expert advice on the potential sale price of the lottery, Mr. Black said.

UBS is consulting with Illinois and New Jersey, which are also considering selling their lotteries.

Also involved in the UBS consulting team is former U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm, a longtime friend of the governor. He has met with one of the governor's top aides to discuss the idea but not with Mr. Perry, Mr. Black said last week.

Mr. Gramm, a UBS vice president of investment banking, works out of the company's New York office. Griffin Perry will be working in the separate area of personal wealth management, Mr. Black said...cont'd

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/021307dntexperry.1c174d6.html


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Gee, I wonder where Ken Lay's Millions went to.....?



Citigroup, UBS to buy Enron
Dec. 10, 2001
http://www.click2houston.com/news/1114910/detail.html

UBS Buys Enron's Trading Business
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-8688326_ITM



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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:55 PM
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31. UBS/Gov. Perry/TransTx. Corridor

...Former senior adviser Ray Sullivan didn't lobby before, but he does now.

Among his clients is UBS, the Switzerland-based financial institution recently picked to be the main bond underwriter for part of Mr. Perry's superhighway.

Mr. Sullivan said his clients benefit from his years of service, which include working at the U.S. Capitol, running political campaigns and working for the governor.

"I really view my job and my advice as finding ways to help the state's elected officials


http://corridornews.blogspot.com/2005/02/major-bills-written-out-of-public-view.html
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:27 PM
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6. IRS Law on reporting foreign bank accounts
Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=148849,00.html
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:32 PM
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7. kick
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 02:17 AM
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37. kick 2
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:41 PM
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8. Our MSM? Waddling around with their heads up their asses
as usual, collecting the paycheck every week for telling us that Gramm was fired because of his "unfortunate" episode of telling us the truth about how the GOP really feel about all of us.

You know, another good man getting smeared by all that other "liberal" media.

They'll never mention USB, his former career funding soft core porn, or the way he's been helping fat cat GOP tax cheats defraud his country for decades.

He was fired because an investigation is finally catching up to him and the campaign bosses, none to clean themselves, thought it would be unseemly to have their financial advisor dragged out in shackles.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:20 AM
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51. They don't have their heads up their asses - their job is to shove our heads up our own asses n/t
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:02 PM
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11. I wonder if Cindy McCain has one of those accounts.
Makes me kind of wonder since the McCain's and Gramm's are so closely connected.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:35 PM
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12. And yet the IRS is killing someone close to me, who didn't make even $16,000.00 last year,
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 01:36 PM by patrice
for past mistakes in years in which her home-based business made better money (but was still never over $50K a year).
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:43 PM
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17. you're easier to catch & harrass, patrice. that's why.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:49 PM
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21. It's not I. Someone in my family. Yes, easier to find and HARASS!
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 01:52 PM by patrice
Bureaucrats!! busy funding their own jobs, but without going after the friends of those who helped them get their gold-plated government jobs in the first place.

On edit: And none of that even mentions others who PREY on those with this kind of problem.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:36 PM
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13. Have all the names been released yet?
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 01:37 PM by SimpleTrend
I saw some names a couple of days ago, but none appeared as U.S. citizens. Does the usage of the terms in your referenced post, "helped American citizens hide $18 billion, mean to imply 'corporate persons' as U.S. citizens? Or 'human' U.S. citizens?

Oh, BTW, K&R

Corporate Personhood! One can no longer tell if the entity under discussion is a human or paper construct. Ain't English grand?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:46 PM
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19. they mean individual us citizen-taxpayers. Italy published their list,
& the Australians have outed one or 2 who are cooperating, but be sure that there are many, many people, some of whom you've heard, who are up the creek on this deal, bigtime.

UBS is cooperating now that they've been busted. Trying to lighten their punishment, no doubt.

BTW, virtually every big big bank w/a private wealth/tax planning division is doing the same thing. Have been for years.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:38 PM
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14. Did the Whistleblower from Lichenstein testify Thursday?
Talk about a story dropping like a rock.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:45 PM
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18. Maybe it sank because he's so unethical
:eyes:

(seriously, did you see that thread? Some idiot was posting over and over again about how "unethical" it was for him to come forward. It was... surreal.)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:48 PM
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20. Yep, saw it. He was a freepper imo. I will post an update on
this damnned story every day if i have to.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:03 PM
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25. K&R
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:51 PM
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22. Not sure but FINALLY found the names of the 4 american accountholders called to testify
The Senate subcommittee, chaired by Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.), has asked four Americans to testify at Thursday's hearing: Peter Lowy, of Beverly Hills, Calif., whose family controls Australian shopping-mall developer Westfield Group; Steven Greenfield, of New York; Shannon Marsh, of Fort Lauderdale, Fla.; and William Wu, of Forest Hills, N.Y.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121617527536657001.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:55 PM
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23. More about the 4 called to testify --
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 01:58 PM by elehhhhna
The agenda will include testimony from Steven Greenfield, whose family owns Commonwealth, a toy company based in Manhattan; Shannon Marsh, the Fort Lauderdale, Fla. heir to a sizable family fortune; and William Wu, a wealthy Chinese businessman based in Queens, New York.

(none showed, 2 or 3 plead the 5th & one "rescheduled")

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202423053303

Mr. Marsh hid millions of dollars in four foundations in Liechtenstein, while LGT helped Mr. Wu orchestrate a fake sale of his house to his own offshore company.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20080718/ZNYT01/807180328/-1/ZNYT&title=New_Offshore_Bank_Limits_for_U_S__Clients__UBS_Says
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:49 PM
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29. Any missing blonde teenagers in Podunk, Idaho?
What is Parisbrittneylindsay up to these days?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:52 PM
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30. ABC News - Hundreds of Super Rich Under Investigation
Hundreds of Super Rich Under Investigation
July 16. 2008

Hundreds of rich Americans whose names and secret foreign bank account information were turned over to US tax authorities could face criminal prosecution. A Senate committee is scheduled to convene tomorrow and among those called to testify are foreign bank account holders, including one of the wealthiest men in Los Angeles.

Are America's wealthiest citizens cheating the government out of billions?
48 year-old Peter Lowy and his family own the giant Westfield shopping center fortune and will control the retail space in the rebuilt World Trade Center in New York. Bob Bennett, a lawyer for Lowy, who is a prominent contributor to both Democratic and Republican candidates, told ABC News that Lowy's name was on the list of secret accounts from a Liechtenstein bank but that Lowy did nothing wrong.


Bennett said Lowy is out of the country tomorrow and will not be available to testify...cont'd

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5389687&page=1



---------



MSNBC forum:
Big Problems For McCain and Gramm. UBS bankers Helped Set Up Many of The Secret Accounts in Liechtenstein and, Overall, Hid as Much $20 Billion Belonging to US Citizens. IRS Now Investigating.

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=725526
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:58 PM
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32. McLame is a Hypocrite that the US Corp. Media has shielded.


“Hypocrisy, my friends, is the most obvious of political sins — and the people will punish it,” John McCain
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:14 PM
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53. I've looked at that photo a dozen times............
I just noticed that McCaine is groping for Bushs crotch!
WTF IS THAT?
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:14 PM
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33. I'm sure the government will go after them as vehemently as they did to Wesley Snipes and
Ronald Isley.


Sure they will.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:20 PM
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34. Yep the corporate media is sweeping this under the carpet because they are guilty too, no doubt!
:grr:
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:15 PM
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54. Which channel...
carries the UBS commercials? Is'nt that NPR?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:11 PM
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57. I heard that NPR was taken over by the rethugs too. nt
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:57 AM
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38. The MSM is probably running one of these...
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 08:13 AM
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39. Maybe this explains his departure from the McC campaign....?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 08:16 AM
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40. Yes. See my post #15
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 08:23 AM
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41. What a bunch of whiners and mental recessionists
:rofl:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 08:33 AM
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42. Americans' crimes most likely to surface publicly as result of collateral damage....
Other countries take a decidedly severe position with their high visible citizens who are caught hiding and not paying their taxes.

Americans were directly involved in the various transactions, and as a result will likely be outed by other government actions against their own citizens.

Must be a bummer when you realize all the $$$ you paid to US officials to keep you 'under the radar' does nothing to keep foreign governments and foreign press from plastering your name, face, and details of your crimes on the front pages of newspapers outside the US.

I'd say Phil Gramm is likely done. No way can he claim ignorance given the position he held with UBS in the United States.

Given Gramm's involvement there must be huge numbers of Congress critters and their staffs involved in this up to their necks.

As I always say, read the foreign press to get the real news --and make sure the foreign press has a copy of anything significant before you reveal it to a domestic news organization.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 08:41 AM
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44. Attorney General John Edwards Would Be Their Worst Nightmares....
Poverty fighting, former plaintiff's attorney, John Edwards as Attorney General could 'get busy' on some of these criminals. All it would take is a couple of trials and severe sentences handed down to encourage full cooperation with the Government by others.

Tap into the criminal wrongdoing of this class of defendants and you never know what they might reveal about Bush corruption over the past eight years in order to avoid long prison sentences.

This way you don't have to rely on a compromised Congress that won't act.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:19 AM
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46. Gramm was the genius behind McSame's economic policies, right?
Have those policies changed?

Do they deserve intense scrutiny now that we know what kind of guy was behind them?

How about a broader look at the "Contract on America"('s middle class)? An analysis of the results of that scam?

You know, now that deregulation has been shown to be a disaster?

Could we get that?

Maybe the BBC or The Guardian might be interested?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:39 AM
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47. It's gonna make a hell of a long pardon list come January.
:puke:
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:09 AM
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49. We are NOT going to be permitted to find out much:
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/071708PSIReport.pdf

TAX HAVEN BANKS
AND U. S. TAX COMPLIANCE

STAFF REPORT
PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE
ON INVESTIGATIONS
UNITED STATES SENATE

Pg 35
"LGT declined to disclose the total
number of accounts it had opened for U.S. clients, the total amount of assets in those accounts, or
the total amount of revenues produced by those accounts for LGT. It also declined to disclose
how many LGT private bankers or trust officers work with U.S. clients, what percentage of their
accounts are for U.S. clients versus clients from other countries, or what percentage of the
accounts opened for U.S. clients had been disclosed to the United States."


Pg 84
"In response to Subcommittee inquiries, UBS has estimated that it today has about 20,000
accounts in Switzerland for U.S. clients, of which roughly 1,000 are declared accounts and
19,000 are undeclared accounts that have not been disclosed to the IRS.369 UBS also estimated
that those accounts contain assets with a combined value of about 18.2 billion in Swiss francs or
about $17.9 billion. UBS was unable to specify the breakdown in assets between the undeclared
and declared accounts, except to note that the amount of assets in the undeclared accounts would
be much greater."


Pg 87
"UBS has not only maintained undeclared Swiss accounts for U.S. clients containing
billions of dollars in assets, it has also adopted practices to ensure that, in keeping with Swiss
bank secrecy laws, those undeclared accounts would not be disclosed to U.S. authorities. Promising Bank Secrecy. UBS has assured its U.S. clients in writing that UBS will take
steps to protect their undeclared accounts from disclosure to U.S. tax authorities."


All anyone is ever going to hear about are those who are "unprotected." We are never going to hear about those with ties to government, with ties to corporations lobbying government, those with financial arrangements affecting Reps or Senators, etc. DISGUSTING...

Read the doc, however - it's particularly telling that these practices have actually been going on for a quarter century or so, but suspiciously, they speeded up by a factor of THOUSANDS OF PERCENT between 2001 and 2007...
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