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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:33 PM
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Father of 9 kids by 7 women takes daughter to "purity ball".
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1823930-2,00.html

The Pursuit of Teen Girl Purity
Thursday, Jul. 17, 2008 By NANCY GIBBS/COLORADO SPRINGS


At the ball, girls as young as 4 join Dad for dinner, dancing and testimony about living a "pure life." Purity balls have been held across the country.

(***SNIP***)

Out on the terrace under an almost moon, the black swans have vanished into the lake. David Diefenderfer has slipped outside for a cigarette; he's a leathery South Dakotan in a big black cowboy hat, and he hands over his card. HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL: BREEDER SERVICE, it says, with a picture of a syringe. He's in the cattle-reproduction business. He's also the father of nine children by seven women.

Three of his daughters are with him tonight, including 10-year-old Taylor. I asked what purity means to her. "I don't really know," she says, and she's shy about talking about all this. "But it means you make a promise to your dad to be a virgin until you are married and not have a lot of boyfriends."

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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:36 PM
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1. If I came from a family like that....

...I'd just shoot myself in the head and get it over with.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:38 PM
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5. You'd be shooting the wrong person. nt
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:36 PM
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2. ...
:puke:
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:36 PM
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3. I'm mixed here...
the whole purity ball thing is incredibly creepy. But as far as the dad goes...well everyone makes mistakes, that's for sure, and he's gonna die soon. I'd say it's a wash :shrug:
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:24 PM
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69. kids with two women might be labeled a mistake but not 9 with 7
This man is a pig.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:28 PM
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70. Yeah, that is kind of hard to defend.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:08 AM
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159. is he supporting all those women and kids? Doubt it....he'd have to be a billionaire
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:29 AM
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119. Putting oil where you should have put transmission fluid is a "mistake"
That's way different from amoral assholery.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:37 PM
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4. Is there ANYTHING more skeevy than fathers obsessed with
their teenage daughters' sex lives? I really do think there's an undercurrent of sexual jealousy in these men, and it's totally creepy and inappropriate.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:40 PM
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7. look at the "couple" on the right - is that ultimate in creepy or what

my god you don't need to be Freud to see that that is one fucked up family
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:42 PM
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9. Word. "Remember, honey, none of those boys at school will ever
love you like daddy does..." :puke:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:00 PM
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27. Great now I have to go take a shower
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:01 PM
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28. LOL! Sorry, that's the caption that popped into my head.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:20 PM
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105. oh lord
i think that puking smiley might become real in a about a moment... ewwwwwwwww
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:57 PM
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94. ew, i think i need to pour bleach in my eyes. n/t
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:44 PM
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16. Look at both those girls' faces.
Doesn't look like there's a 'happy to be here with my dad' look. In fact it looks like they'd rather be any place else.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:53 PM
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23. I noticed that too.
Creepy is right. :puke:
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:59 PM
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26. Yep--he's whispering "No one will ever love you like me!" Puke-a-rama.
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 02:02 PM by lulu in NC
Ooops--I see Weiner beat me to it!

Quick thought--I wonder if the girl on the left has weight issues as a way to keep dad out of her room.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:12 PM
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32. The other picture at the link is even more creepy...


I feel really sorry for these girls, I can only imagine what they have to live through. These are some creepy fathers.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:40 PM
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83. Here's an enlarged view of that eerie creepy photo


Maybe some of them have good intentions, but these fathers look really sinister and bizarre.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:46 PM
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84. the girls look to be suffering from shame
real or imagined, but they look like they feel ashamed.

Dads making youngsters feel guilt for sins not committed or is it reality? It does seem creepy and unhealthy.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 12:10 PM
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133. They're eyes are closed - they're praying
Still looks batshit creepy.
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verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:46 PM
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162. Looks like they are praying
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 11:00 PM by verdalaven
Maybe my radar is off or something. I don't see creepiness in the pictures. Their efforts to keep their daughters "pure" is sad and misguided, absolutely, because most likely it will backfire magnificently (much like the abstinence only teaching my parents imparted on my sister and me back in the day!) but the sight of a father embracing his daughter in a loving way shouldn't automatically make us think he is some creepy fiend. Children, boys and girls, need affection from both parents to grow up well. If anything, having a good, loving relationship with their fathers will make it easier for them to make better choices when they do become sexually active.

I do wonder if that whore-man (seven kids-nine women) gets that his preaching abstinence to his daughter is sort of like a smoking parent telling his children not to smoke?

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:17 PM
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65. Oh, sick! There is a huge "ick" factor in all of these "couples"...
:puke:
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:45 PM
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72. The look on her face says it all!
Yuck....The poor girl!
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:46 PM
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85. That was my first reaction too. Creepy as hell.
The whole thing is as creepy as hell.
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:55 PM
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My first thought was "she looks afraid of him or what he might do"
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:42 PM
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136. my first thoughts as well. Yuck. Ugh. Barf.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:44 PM
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12. Girls as young as 4...
Now maybe I'm a bit odd, but when my kids were 4 the thought of them having a sex life didn't even cross my mind. I didn't even have the time to think about that future time when they would.

These guys are creepy and those poor girls. If my dad had taken me to one of those I would have been scarred for life. Seriously. :puke:

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:06 AM
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157. Caption fun!
Edited on Sun Jul-27-08 08:09 AM by IanDB1

"Congratulations on your daughter's vaginas!"



ACTUAL CAPTION:
Model of Virtue
Steve Clark reads the "Purity Covering and Covenant" to his fiancé's daughter, Ashley Avery, 17, a vow fathers make to their daughters that promises protection in all areas of purity.


Mine:
"This is your mother's schedule for the week. We have all day Monday and Tusday to ourselves."



The Hymen Dancers present an interpretive dance called, 'Jesus Loves Your Tiny Little Vagina.'



""Everyone close your eyes, and imagine Jesus looking at your vagina."



"Daddy loves BOTH your vaginas equally. They're both very special to me."


Christian girls put an "X Marks The Spot" near their "Dirty Pillows," so boys know where to stare. This diverts their attention from the vagina.



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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:44 PM
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13. Oh yeah, many things. I don't know, it seems to me like someone who has made a lot of mistakes
would try to convince his/her children not to make the same ones. And, since Daddy here has probably used a lot of lines and tactics on women he had no interest in other than as playtoys, he may now be seeing what he's done to other people's daughters. He may finally for the first time be seeing a woman as something other than an object for his pleasure. So he's trying to keep his daughter from becoming prey to someone like him.

Not saying these balls are the right thing, just that his intentions may be honest, even if his execution is bizarre.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:26 PM
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41. Yeah, but the age range of his daughters is huge...from 37 to 10, so he must be a realtively new
recruit to the purity ball thing. Also, wonder how concerned he is about his son's sex life?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:47 PM
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48. Completely agree with you. Just ookey, it really is.
As if they own their daughters' sexuality.

This is the sort of mindset that gets women killed all over the world - for the "honor" of the men in their lives.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:30 AM
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120. Of course, that is precisely the traditional notion: that the girl's
virginity is her father's property. That's why I am always creeped out at weddings, when the father "gives away" the daughter. Marriage traditionally was just a transfer of property rights from the father to the husband, and that is what is represented in the tradition of having the father give his daughter away at the wedding.

Rape was originally consdiered a property crime--against either the father or the husband, not against the woman. If the woman was married, her husband owned her sexuality. If she was unmarried, her viginity was a commodity, and her father owned it. The word "rape" comes from the Latin for "theft," and the victim of the theft was not the woman herself, but the man who owned her virginity/sexuality.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:07 AM
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129. I refused to be "given away."
Instead, we had my parents and his parents "present" us and thus bless the marriage.
My mom freaked out at first, but then she said it was really nice to be included in that part of the ceremony.

Chipping away slowly... :)
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:15 AM
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130. That's a nice approach. n/t
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:59 AM
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132. Thanks!
I was pretty happy with how it all turned out. :)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 06:03 AM
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139. It's fugging sick
The only time I ever heard my father discuss sex re his daughters was the day my youngest sister asked him if she could attend a catholic camp for a weekend. When she showed dad the programme, there was a talk by a priest about sexual behaviour - dad laughed until tears ran down his face after asking her what the priest could tell her about sex since he was supposed to be celibate. He went on to tell her that if he knew anything he should be excommunicated. My very catholic mother was not amused but we sure laughed with dad that day. Of course he let her go anyway but we still laugh at that joke.

My mother was the one who gave us advice re sexual matters and her advice was very simple. Don't let any boy have sex with you in the back of a car because you'll live with that memory and don't bring him here until you are employed or in college. Once we were grown up, when we returned home on holidays during college, we were allowed to bring our boyfriends. My parents weren't prudes.

This is damn madness.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:04 PM
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142. That's a great story!
We were raised Catholic at my mom's behest. My father hated the Church and priests. The only sex talk he had with me was when I was 17. He told me to respect myself. My mom, on the other hand, never had a talk with me.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:39 PM
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6. Heck - I thought the Father-Daughter Dance at my all girls high
school was creepy enough! (I didn't go.) Dad is my father, but he's Mom's husband!
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:27 PM
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42. I take it that wasn't Salt Lake City High?
:P
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:40 PM
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8. Creepy Factor: off the scale.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:42 PM
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10. That couple on the right in the picture...
looks like a cover illustration for a daddy-daughter porn novel. Sorry to be so crude about it, but it's just plain creepy in the extreme.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:40 PM
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135. I immediately felt the same way. Big yucky......
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #135
158. i looked at it that way, too. Keeping daddy's girl for himself...creepy
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:43 PM
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11. Creepy.
It's almost a form of fake marriage.

I wonder why these men don't ask for their sons to pledge themselves, also. I guess it's okay if the son is sexually active in a patriarchal system.

These men have issues, and are creating even bigger ones for their daughters. Imagine having sex for the very first time, and the first thought you have is of your father.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:44 PM
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15. Exactly. Where are the mother-son purity balls?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:28 PM
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44. Uh-oh. Smells like Oedipus Complex...
:yoiks:
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:54 PM
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50. Wouldn't that be an Elektra complex though?
Father and daughter?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:23 PM
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68. Elektrawoman and Dynagirl?


:yoiks:
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:06 PM
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79. Judy Strangis was sooooooo cute!
:evilgrin:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:02 PM
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141. Vagina Woman and Hymen Girl!
Edited on Sat Jul-26-08 07:03 PM by IanDB1

"Look at that slut, Hymen Girl. Penises are bad. Very bad. We MUST intervene... quick! To the U-Haul with the four bald tires!"
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:55 AM
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153. Marlena was kinda hot in those orange & yellow tights

But I thought she was even hotter when she was posessed by Satan :evilgrin:
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:57 PM
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87. If there were, would you support the concept?
Duke
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:38 AM
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123. No. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:48 PM
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110. They have them.
It's been posted about here before. Still creepy.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:38 AM
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124. OMG
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:55 PM
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112. Like Motherboy?
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:06 PM
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143. Motherboy!
I love that song! Mother and boy ...

"Like the time your brother said he wanted to marry your mother? Or is your family not laughing about that yet?"

God I loved that show.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:47 PM
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18. Exactly! Son's should have as much sex as possible.
Guess it's okay for other father's daughters to give it up, but not their babies. It is so creepy and sexist.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:59 PM
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25. Don't you know that only teenage boys are horny, and that teenage girls
are pure and innocent of any sexual urges?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:44 PM
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14. Now, WHAT was it that Jesse Jackson was mad at Obama for talking about?
What is the definition of responsibility applied to these realtionships between men and their daughters, that is, beyond showing up for these creepy publicity photo-op FUNDRAISERS.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:46 PM
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17. purity = promiscuity
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 01:54 PM by RiverStone
What a joke!

I've spend over 20 years in public education and the vast majority of those kids that "try" to stay pure due to some outside pressure ending up going crazy sexual by their senior year.

Far better is to help instill in young women a strong sense of self esteem; that is best achieved through loving parenting (and that can be by any loving parenting figures - not just birth parents) and providing strong boundaries as role models.

Teaching healthy choices is about taking responsibility - just say NO does not work. Listening to our daughters, making special time for them, involving them in sports and extra curricular activities where they can experience success - those things lead to becoming strong women. The same goes for boys too. Sex can be a beautiful thing (or a very hurtful thing), and teaching kids to make wise choices around it is far better then trying to avoid it. Most teens do not want to avoid it.

This purity bullshit achieves the opposite effect. There are no quick fixes or short cuts.


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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:47 PM
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19. I literally laughed out loud when I saw the subject line!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

TOO FUNNY!!!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:30 PM
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71. Yeah- it kind of seems like folks are missing the guy's hypocrisy. nt
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:48 PM
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20. icky.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:48 PM
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21. BREEDER SERVICE.
Oh, the irony. :rofl:
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:57 PM
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103. Indeed. One "stud" driving the pickup & one in the horse trailer!
what a hoot!
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:57 AM
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154. Apparently he doesn't believe in unmarried cattle sex either.
Sorry Bessie.... no bulls for you.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:48 PM
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22. Think he'll get lucky?...
:puke:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:15 PM
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33. He's already gotten lucky at least 9 times... and at least 2 women liked him after the first go...
:hide:
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 05:51 PM
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75. Maybe he used his "breeder gun"
I think for the women that might have been the better alternative.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:55 PM
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24. that shit makes my skin crawl
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:05 PM
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29. WTF Is Wrong With People!!!!
Look at those poor girls. If I were one of those girls I'd go out and get pregnant just out of spite.

Very creepy. Very, very creepy.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:16 PM
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35. There's only one thing creepier:
Making balloon doggies out of condoms.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:22 PM
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67. Some do. Keeping the pregnancy and keeping the kid
makes for a rough life of dead end jobs, but they can then be emancipated by the courts and get away from their creepy daddies.
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 05:54 PM
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76. There should be
a national program for single parents in need to get free health care, living assistance and free education in classrooms where they can have their children next door. Would probably only cost a fraction of what we waste on corporate welfare.


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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:07 PM
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30. The purity & abstinence movement has made oral and anal sex much more popular.
To the delight of teenage boys and the makers of pharmaceuticals to treat the raging STDs.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:21 PM
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38. be positive - they're ensuring the drug industry doesn't crash. Mind you,
once the boys get those wild and crazy herpes flareups, will they remain so delighted?


:shrug:

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:12 PM
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31. nine kids by seven women?
dude...just get snipped already...

how has the child support not put him in the poor house?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:15 PM
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34. Seven brides for seven brothers... the remaining are the odd couple.
:yoiks:
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:25 PM
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40. "David Diefenderfer has Stage 4 inoperable lung cancer. . ."
Looks like his abuses will be coming to an end soon.

What creepy stuff.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:28 PM
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45. I hadn't read the article that far.
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 02:34 PM by Liberal_in_LA
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:00 PM
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56. I'm gonna guess he's not paying any. n/t
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:17 PM
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36. That photo is creepy on so many levels. n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:20 PM
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37. Hey, what's the first prize for winning at that party?
Cupie dolls?



These seem apropos, oddly...

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:22 PM
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39. Ew, ick.
When Kylie was 13, her parents took her on a hike in Lake Tahoe, Calif. "We discussed what it means to be a teenager in today's world," she says. They gave her a charm for her bracelet--a lock in the shape of a heart. Her father has the key. "On my wedding day, he'll give it to my husband," she explains. "It's a symbol of my father giving up the covering of my heart, protecting me, since it means my husband is now the protector. He becomes like the shield to my heart, to love me as I'm supposed to be loved."


I wonder if they're going to bring back real chastity belts...



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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:28 PM
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43. Kylie Monologue, right? I can't imagine there's more than one person with the name synonymous with
a venereal disease.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:55 PM
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51. Young girls have such worthy role models, don't they?
:banghead:
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:49 PM
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49. Chastity belt reminds me of this true story.
A Knight was off to the Crusades and gave his best friend the key to his wife's chastity belt, in case he didn't make it back.

After almost a day on the road the Knight sees his friend galloping up on a very sweaty horse. "you gave me the wrong key !!" the friend proclaims.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:55 PM
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52. LOL!!!
:rofl:

I've got to remember that one!
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:01 PM
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58. Equal opportunity
i did see a father who had given his son a locket very similar. one of my friends passed me the youtube link - i think he was an American Idol contestant. And his Dad had the key to his heart too.

Creepy, but at least Dad wasn't being gender-biased.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:07 PM
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61. I suppose those poor kids really believe it's their "hearts" their fathers are worried about.
Extremely disturbing.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:10 PM
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81. Father will give the key to daughter's husband on her wedding day? What is she, a Corvette?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:41 PM
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90. They do seem to think their daughters' vaginas belong to them, don't they?
Revolting.

Next thing you know they'll be asking for payment from the future husband in advance.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:50 PM
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111. That is seriously creepy.
I remember hearing later from my dad that Hubby asked him for my hand in marriage, and, bless his heart, Dad replied, "Why are you asking me?" My thoughts exactly.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:29 PM
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46. "my daddy says i've got quite the mouth on me!" *wink*
famblee-values sponsored incest....
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:46 PM
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47. The expressions on those little girls faces
makes me wonder what their daddies get up to with them. Creepy.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:56 PM
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53. This girl isn't even his daughter
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pengillian101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:53 PM
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149. Model of Virtue (ugh!)
The look on her face------is weird to say the least.



Model of Virtue
Steve Clark reads the "Purity Covering and Covenant" to his fiancé's daughter, Ashley Avery, 17, a vow fathers make to their daughters that promises protection in all areas of purity.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:32 PM
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160. One question.
Where the bloody heck is Ashley Avery's father? Why is a man who isn't even married to her mother pledging her purity?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:56 PM
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54. these balls are creepy creepy creepy. no father should be that obsessed with his daughters sexuality
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:04 PM
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96. After this sweetie, I'll make sure you know all those things you're not supposed to do...
but it's ok because I'm your dad.

:scared:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:59 PM
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55. These girls look so sad.

This is so prehistoric.

I feel so sad for these girls.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:21 PM
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66. Yes, they do.
I imagine it must be horribly uncomfortable and embarrassing for the ones old enough to know just what it is that Daddy is protecting.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:00 PM
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57. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:03 PM
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59. Somebody needs to write a heartwarming book about this movement.


:sarcasm:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:13 PM
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62. You are so bad!
:spank:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:59 PM
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88. Just like Michael Jackson!
:woohoo:

:spank:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:44 PM
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91. Why incest turns certain people on has always been a mystery to me.
I mean if anything is hardwired in humans you'd think that it would be an aversion to schtupping your kid.

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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:03 PM
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60. I guess "purity" means smoking, and nine children by seven women. One of those
"do as I say, not as I do" things, I guess.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:15 PM
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63. But what about teen BOY purity ceremonies?
Oh, wait. Nevermind.



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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:45 AM
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126. Ouch, that was a low blow.
If someone had told me that D&D was synonymous with virginity, I would have sold my dice bag well before high school.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 12:22 PM
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134. The hand on the left looks female to me.
We do exist, you know. :D
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 07:30 AM
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156. Heh heh.
I know this game was instrumental in my keeping my virginity throughout high school. At least you knew where you could find me every Saturday night.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:16 PM
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64. Christian Taliban. Why not just throw burkas on their daughters and lock them in the house?
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 03:17 PM by gbrooks
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:48 PM
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73. That What Get Me About This Stuff
Everytime I see a story about something like this I immediately think to myself, what was the father's sex life like. I am mainly wondering if the father was a virgin when he got married. So, it is the hypocrisy of these things that upsets me the most. In addition, I do not think 4 year old girls should be brought to things like this. In addition, if a girl does not know what this means she should not be doing it. I think that is one of the main reasons these things are so ineffective; these girls have no idea why they are doing it and it is not their choice; it is their father's or their parent's choice.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:28 PM
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74. That has to be one of the creepiest pictures ever.
Dad on the right looks like he's enjoying prayer time a little too much.
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 05:58 PM
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77. my son is 18 and I would guess he has had less sex than ANY of these girls
We taught him..I don't know...to be responsible?

We NEVER hid anything from him...he has one girl who thinks the same.

Maybe we should have *purity..yeah right* balls for the fathers and tell them to quit lusting after their daughters?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:03 PM
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78. That is one un joyous looking photo, the girls look sad and if that's a dad on the right side
there that is kind of creepy, no, very creepy.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:07 PM
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80. SO creepy-what in the world is the dad on the right even doing?
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 06:10 PM by nam78_two
I wouldn't want to offend anyone but honestly some of these pics are just seriously, seriously creepy. There is something very unwholesome and strange about the whole thing.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:27 PM
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82. Standard scream:
:wow: AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :wow:
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:56 PM
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86. Dupe. n/t
Duke
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:32 PM
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89. Purity Ball
Brought to you by the innovators of the George Bush Ethics Ball
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:48 PM
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92. Why is when I see these photos of these things
the first thought in my head is the Aerosmith song, "Jamies got a gun". I think Steven Tyler must have seen one of these "occasions" and wrote the song.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:16 PM
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99. Agree 100% f-ing percent but wasn't it "Janie"?
Of course I could Google it but I'm trying to bring back thinking for my own and not Google for me...
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:39 PM
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101. You may be right,.
I don't hear so well.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:55 PM
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93. Sure would like to
purify his balls.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:20 PM
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106. LMAO
best line of the week!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:02 AM
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125. My pleasure!
Nothing heals the soul like a good laugh!
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:03 PM
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95. That's just wrong and creepy as fucking hell.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:06 PM
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97. Every picture looks like a f'ing kidnapping
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 08:06 PM by ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jesus H Christ, they have no clue how creepy this looks.
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:14 PM
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98. Why are the mothers allowing this sort of thing? IMO they are equally guilty.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:23 PM
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100. Because they too are "owned".
They are viewed as a possession of the men as well.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:10 PM
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145. they were probably raised the same way and yes they are guilty also
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:55 PM
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102. Poor kids. More do as I say and not what I do.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:18 PM
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104. Who wants to bet that half the dad's there
are molesting their kids? check out the dad on the right in the photo, wtf is that about
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:47 PM
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109. I got the same vibe.
I'd bet with you.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:25 PM
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107. here is a dad who wanted to keep his daughter pure...
so he locked her up in a basement cell and raped her for 24 years, fathering 7 children with her and killing 1
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4350386.ece
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:47 PM
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108. My cousin took his daughter to one.
It was all about his fear of her growing up. I listened as he ranted and raved on the phone about how she was developing into a woman and how it was too soon and how she needed to be protected. All I could think was, if they lived closer to me, I'd be taking her to know about birth control options and get her a good vibrator.

These men (those who aren't rapists) are just plain scared that their little girls are growing up. That means that they're not going to be so easy to control and that they might *gasp* actually have sex at some point. I don't know why the wives put up with it, and I sure hope they're taking their daughters aside and helping them be true to themselves.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:57 PM
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113. I'm a guy and I think this concept is pretty fucking creepy.
And man, the girls in that picture just look like they do not want to be there.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:27 PM
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114. Sick, sick fuuu-uu--uuuuuuucking SICK.
Fundamentalpatients: It's what's for stupid!

Talk about bein' WAAAAY too all up in your daughter's private shit.

A gallery of past creepiness to gag over:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8840

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:36 PM
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115. Do they have Purity Balls for the boys?
Fair is fair.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:45 PM
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116. From last year's thread: Helllllllacreepy.
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 11:47 PM by HughBeaumont


Dude. She's your DAUGHTER. What's with the creep-ass look?
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:56 PM
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117. Disgusting and creepy, molester looking dads!! Yikes.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:23 AM
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118. I am reminded of the humor writer who said
that fathers of teenaged girls are all desperate to prevent their daughters from doing what the fathers tried so desperately to get other men's daughters to do when they were teens themselves.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:07 PM
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144. If I were a tennager, THOSE would be the girls I'd be asking out.
Because I'd KNOW there would be LOTS of oral sex, and maybe some anal.

And that they wouldn't tell their parents, who would assume they were innocent and pure because they took "The Pledge."

Oh, if I had life to live over again, I'd have joined a fundie church in High School just for the chicks... and then become a Wiccan in college for the same reason.




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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:40 AM
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121. Someone should send these dads a copy of the messages on threads like this.
I suspect if they realized that everyone simply assumes that they msot of them must be molesting their daughters, they might think twice about such purity balls--or at least about advertising their participation and making the photos public.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:45 AM
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122. What disgusting pieces of shit those fathers be.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:47 AM
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127. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww- these things REALLY creep me out.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:51 AM
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128. Lot's of dancing
at a "ball" isn't there? Wonder if other dads can "cut in"...




So, was their slogan "Balling for Purity"?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:46 AM
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131. i am disgusted with all the sick fuck males out there fucking with the girls so they grow up
to be fucked up helping to feed more sick fuck males.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 01:44 PM
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137. me, too.
This one really takes the cake.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 05:21 AM
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138. She ain't gonna be pure for long. Dad to future son-in-law, "Let me test drive her for ya."


"Just to make sure she's runnin' alright."


:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:00 PM
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140. Ooh! I LOVE re-posting this thread!-- `"Would you pledge your virginity to your father?"
`"Would you pledge your virginity to your father?"
Topic started by Bluebear on Jan-20-07 05:17 PM (278 replies)
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:47 PM
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151. I was surprised to this thread resurface. yikes!
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pengillian101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:12 PM
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146. Creepy...
The Dad on the right creeps me out.

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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:37 PM
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147. my husband was profoundly disturbed by this.
and we don't even HAVE kids yet.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 07:52 PM
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148. That is sick and creepy. n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 08:34 PM
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150. I know women who were sexually abused by their fathers. These "balls" creep me out.
I'm certain that some of the fathers are sexually involved with their daughters, and this whole purity thing is a way of keeping their daughters exclusive to them. It's sick.
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:29 AM
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152. Why not just slap chastity belts on 'em & be done with it? n/t
n/t
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 01:07 AM
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155. Whatever I'm doing works far better for abstinence than these idiots' ideas
In high school I was the one person out of my circle of about 10 acquaintances and casual friends who didn't do True Love Waits. 10 years later, out of all of them, I'm the one who actually successfully abstained.

I think most of the cause is misanthropy and cynicism, but whatever works.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 09:42 PM
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161. What a stinking hypocrite!!
He should have his tubes tied!!

:grr:

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 10:54 PM
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163. Just . . . "ick". That's all. n/t
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 11:08 PM
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164. i can't take this seriously
until I see a purity ball for young men...and I don't care which parent or guardian shows up with them...
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