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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:37 PM
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Poll question: It's January 21, 2009. Barack Hussein Obama is America's 44th President...
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 10:04 PM by ColbertWatcher
...evidence for all the crimes of the GOP are discovered and investigated resulting in the arrest of everyone responsible, who are then charged, tried, found guilty and await sentencing.

What should their punishment be?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:41 PM
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1. For those (like me) who didn't know: Summary of Nuremberg Verdicts:
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 09:42 PM by gateley
Edit to add link: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/verdicts1.html


Karl Doenitz
Supreme Commander of the Navy; in Hitler's last will and testament he was made Third Reich President and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces
Sentenced to 10 Years in Prison

Hans Frank
Governor-General of occupied Poland
Sentenced to Hang

Wilhelm Frick
Minister of the Interior
Sentenced to Hang

Hans Fritzsche
Ministerial Director and head of the radio division in the Propaganda Ministry
Acquitted

Walter Funk
President of the Reichsbank
Sentenced to Life in Prison

Hermann Goering
Reichsmarschall, Chief of the Air Force
Sentenced to Hang

Rudolf Hess
Deputy to Hitler
Sentenced to Life in Prison

Alfred Jodl
Chief of Army Operations
Sentenced to Hang

Ernst Kaltenbrunner
Chief of Reich Main Security Office whose departments included the Gestapo and SS
Sentenced to Hang

Wilhelm Keitel
Chief of Staff of the High Command of the Armed Forces
Sentenced to Hang

Erich Raeder
Grand Admiral of the Navy
Sentenced to Life in Prison

Alfred Rosenberg
Minister of the Occupied Eastern Territories
Sentenced to Hang

Fritz Sauckel
Labor leader
Sentenced to Hang

Hjalmar Schacht
Minister of the Economics
Acquitted

Artur Seyss-Inquart
Commisar of the Netherlands
Sentenced to Hang

Albert Speer
Minister of Armaments and War Production
Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison

Julius Streicher
Editor of the newspaper Der Sturmer, Director of the Central Committee for the Defence against Jewish Atrocity and Boycott Propaganda
Sentenced to Hang

Constantin Von Neurath
Protector of Bohemia and Moravia
Sentenced to 15 Years in Prison

Franz Von Papen
One-time Chancellor of Germany
Acquitted

Joachim von Ribbentrop
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Sentenced to Hang

Baldur Von Schirach
Reich Youth leader
Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison

One other defendant, Martin Bormann, was believed dead
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:45 PM
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7. Thank you for posting these. n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 06:08 AM
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31. Morning kick. n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:41 PM
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2. You honestly think Mr. Reach Across the Aisle is going to do a god damn
thing about those criminals?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:44 PM
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4. I didn't say "he" would do any of it.
Perhaps it's done by a new AG, who isn't Alberto Gonzales?

Regardless who does it, what do you think the sentences should be?


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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:48 PM
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12. It's not worthy of any further thought. It would never happen.
We are going to more important shit, like escalate the war in Afghanistan & step up FISA surveillance,
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:53 PM
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15. I added that to the list, so that you can vote for it. n/t
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:42 PM
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3. really, any substantive punishment would make a great 40th B-day for me..
yep.. Jan 21, 2009 is when I hit the big 4-0.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:44 PM
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5. How exciting!
I hope it is a somber and appropriate celebration.


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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:45 PM
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8. And the world will be celebrating with you! nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:44 PM
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6. Regular prison with no special favors. nt
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:45 PM
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9. Where is the option for "Send them to the Hague"?
At Nuremberg they executed a lot of Nazis.

I'm against the death penalty. Make these cretins share a cell in The Hague.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:47 PM
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11. Other. n/t
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:46 PM
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10. What it should be and will be are two different things.
I don't think Obama has it in him to punish them.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:48 PM
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13. I didn't say "he" would do any of it.
Perhaps it's done by a new AG, who isn't Alberto Gonzales?

Regardless who does it, what do you think the sentences should be?


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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:03 AM
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33. Yeah, but HE would appoint the people who would do it, which I don't see him doing.
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 09:08 AM by ryanmuegge
Semantic games. Just look at the Bush administration if you don't think the president has a strong influence in shaping the direction of judicial policy.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:51 PM
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14. I know this is supposed to be an expression of collective Shadenfreude, but really
War criminals should be punished as war criminals. For those who did nothing worse than misappropriate public funds into their own pockets, a prison sentence will do.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:54 PM
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16. You'd think it would have been, but...
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 09:57 PM by ColbertWatcher
...no one is taking it that way.

Actually, now that I look at the votes again, it kinds looks that way!

But, the comments say something different.

I guess people who wish to remain anonymous want a little street justice, but people who make their identity known through comments are a little more thoughtful.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:10 PM
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23. In the spirit of fun, let me suggest a few special punishments . . .
For John McCain -- to take a stroll through a Baghdad market without a flack jacket or a security detail.

For Karl Rove -- to tell the truth. That'll kill him.

For Dick Cheney -- that he should parachute into Falujah to be greeted as the liberator he is.

For Donald Rumsfled -- ditto.

For Gee Dubya -- ditto, except into the Ninth Ward of New Orleans after the refugees have been repatriated.

For former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond, who spent one fortune contributing to Gee Dubya's gubernatorial and presidential campaigns and another hyping the falsehood that global warming is a hoax -- inspired by the last pages of the novel Frankenstein, Mr. Raymond will be put on a small iceberg and cast adrift in the Arctic Ocean. The global warming that he said for years didn't exist and bribed crooked scholars into supporting his findings will do the rest.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:23 PM
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24. For Condi?
Put her alone in a room with Laura Bush.

Or, let Laura driver her home.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:56 PM
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18. It will take time, since our judicial branch has been corrupted
with neo-con judges and prosecutors. I see accountability
within the world judicial system and even that will take time but
not as much time as our own system.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:55 PM
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17. I'll go with Nuremberg guidelines ...
... with the additional penalty: The assets of all guilty parties - homes, cars, stocks and bonds, EVERYTHING - is seized and liquidated, the proceeds of which go to the US Treasury for the pay-down of the debt they caused for taxpayers.

Also, prison terms should include NO privileges - including visits from family members or friends, or any correspondence with same.

This ain't no foolin' around. Fuck 'em all.



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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:58 PM
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20. Ooh, I like that.
No wonder they say you should be running things!


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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:00 PM
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21. And any land owned in Paraguay or Dubai. nt
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:06 PM
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22. EVERYTHING.
And if that leaves their families penniless, tough titty - how many American families have lost their savings, their pensions, their homes and their jobs due to these people?

I guess my lack of compassion for certain people just cost me any shot at being a SCOTUS nominee ...
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:58 PM
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19. I vote for treating them like we treat the "common" criminal in the Amerika they have shaped in
their warped image of heaven. None of them would survive a week.


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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:35 PM
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25. They won't be punished. OFFICIALLY.
The same way that O.J. Simpson didn't get any official punishment. However, name anyone from any class who has any brains that would pal around with him.

What needs to happen is for Bush to have people get in his face, wherever he goes, when he no longer has the bubble protecting him. Oh, the Secret Service will protect his life and his person...but if their agents have any humanity (even they have some) they will not protect him from people's opinions.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:56 PM
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26. Hanging them all for high treason and war crimes would be the right thing to do.
If FDR had hanged Prescott Bush for trading with the Nazis, we might not be in this mess now.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:22 PM
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28. I'd rather see them suffer 'til the end of their days --
I look at hanging as almost a reprieve.

One of my fears (and I'm not kidding) is that Cheney will die before we're able to make him WISH he were dead.


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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:04 PM
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27. There is no way in hell anything is going to happen to them..
That's what telecom immunity was all about, making sure any evidence was covered up.

Ollie North and G Gordon Liddy both have their own radio shows, I fully expect them to be joined by Rove among others.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:28 PM
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29. If this is ever going to happen we need to restore the special prosecutor law
No politician in their right mind is going to go through the clusterfuck of investigating the previous administration and the Attorney General is merely a person who works for a politician.

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:10 PM
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34. Good point. n/t
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 02:26 AM
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30. If it ALL comes out it won't just be "crimes of the GOP".
It be will the crimes of all the Neos in both parties and they should all fucking hang.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 06:09 AM
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32. Politicians have a way of protecting each other.
IT doesn't matter if they are republican or democrat.

Now, ANOTHER country's leadership they might arrest and try, NEVER to one of their own.

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