Joe SCABBRO: Public opinion supported the Shrub war crimes at the time

[UTUSN]

The author being interviewed sort of facilitated the Dead Interner, because of her own tentativeness and wishy washy presentation of her case. She constantly referred to "The vice pResident's OFFICE" as being the spearhead of the torture policy, the war crimes, the rape of our "high road" tradition.


So SCABBRO jumped on her, all "righteously" incensed, saying, "Are you saying that Dick CHEENEE" is personally responsible for all that.


She rambled into a hedging reply, continually referring to the OFFICE. SCABBRO pounced on her again to pin her down.


There was more hemming and hawing, with mentions of ADDINGTON and trailing off.


No, no finger pointing is allowed in the Shrub alternate universe.




P.S., oh, I forgot the main point: When the author tepidly pinpointed ADDINGTON and CHEENEE, SCABBRO made the claim in the (Subject Line, above), "Isn't it true that in 2002 and 2003, American public opinion SUPPORTED" an aggressive stance towards terra-ism?

[Larkspur]

1. The Nuremburg Trials did not prosecute civilians for voting for Hitler

and the Nazi Party. The Trials prosecuted the German/Nazi leaders who lied to their people and dragged them into an immoral and illegal war.

[Marr]

2. If I recall, the public was against the invasion of Iraq.

Or it may have been close, but slightly in favor. I don't recall. At any rate, invading Iraq was not part of any "aggressive stance against terrorism", so I don't know what he's talking about there.

I do know that the weeks before the Iraq invasion saw the largest organized protests in the history of humanity. I know the airwaves were full of people like Scarborough, mocking and insulting anyone who didn't buy the Bush Administration's bullshit. I know there were plenty of people who tried to point out the obvious holes in their farce in the media, and they mostly lost their jobs because of it-- people like Phil Donahue.

But I suppose we're supposed to pretend that we all agreed with them at the time. Kind of like the whole "WMD" thing. Oh yeah, "everyone" thought Hussein had them. Everyone except most of the planet, that is.

[checks-n-balances]

3. You mean the same Joe who ragged on * a few years ago

about how unpopular the war was?

This show needs a new title: "Morning Sickness"

[Gold Metal Flake]

4. Who was the wishy-washy author?

I blame the liberal media. Damn war mongering liberals.

[UTUSN]

7. She's one of the good guys, Jane MAYER, "The Dark Side"

But she's the introverted writer, not punchy on the air, therefore giving the appearance that SCABBRO won the point. I'm dial-up impaired, but there's a video link at the MSRNC website.


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Mayer

Mayer has also contributed to the New York Review of Books and American Prospect and co-authored two books—Strange Justice: The Selling of Clarence Thomas (1994) (written with Jill Abramson), a study of the controversy-laden nomination and appointment of Clarence Thomas to the US Supreme Court, and Landslide: The Unmaking of the President, 1984–1988 (1989) (written with Doyle McManus), an account of Ronald Reagan's second term in the White House. Her The Dark Side (2008) addresses the origins, legal justifications, and possible war crimes liability, of the use of interrogation techniques to break down detainees' resistance and the subsequent deaths of detainees under such interrogation as applied by the CIA.<2><3>

Bibliography
The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals (2008) ISBN 0385526393



http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/30/jane-mayer-in-the-new-yorker/

Jane Mayer in The New Yorker:»
“On December 18th, Colin Powell, the former Secretary of State, joined other prominent Washington figures at FedEx Field, the Redskins' stadium, in a skybox belonging to the team's owner.” The group began discussing news reports about the NSA’s warrantless surveillance of Americans. “According to someone who knows Powell, his comment about the article was terse. ‘It's Addington,’ he said,” referring to Cheney Chief of Staff David Addington. " 'He doesn't care about the Constitution.“

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[Supersedeas]

5. anything....absolutely anything but to confront the issue straightforwardly

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE LIED TO

So it doesn't matter what public opinion was.

Sheesh.