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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:01 PM
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The drill everywhere movement is in full swing.
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 01:02 PM by Arctic Dave
I was just over at CNN and ran across this piece propaganda.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/20/news/economy/alaska_drilling/index.htm?cnn=yes

The entire mindset of, "If we just drill ANWR, we will bring OPEC to their knees", is biggest bunch of horse poo. Never was drilling in the actual National Petroluem Reserve mentioned. What part of this do these knuckleheads not understand, Widlife Refuge is for wildlife, Petroleum Reserve is for petroluem.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:05 PM
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1. too bad the oil companies dont want to do this
they love selling us $4 a gal gas. Who exactly do the "pro drillers" think is going to go get the oil?

They can talk all they want, hell they can even pass the legislation, but the oil companies arent going to work harder so that they can cut their profits.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:08 PM
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2. Exactely. Why break your back when you can
screw the people for more by not doing anything
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:32 PM
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18. Halliburton wants their piece.
because they've gained so little.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:08 PM
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3. I thought this was a good article.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:13 PM
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5. In what way?
I thought it was full of speculation and wishful thinking.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:23 PM
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9. I thought it laid out the fact that ANWR would be blip and that the Gov't itself
points out it would amount to just a few cents a gallon. And that's over a long period of time.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:24 PM
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13. I guess this was the part that put me off.
"And while it's hard to deny that the jackpot of all untapped domestic oil lies just north of the Arctic Circle, in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge,"
I think it is hard to have a denial about a jackpot when something is not known.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:29 PM
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17. good point.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:11 PM
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4. I wish they would drill in the crown of my scalp
Way too much oil up there lately.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:17 PM
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6. Some people adamantly do NOT want to drill everywhere.
From this morning's Anchorage Daily News:


http://www.adn.com/interior-alaska/story/470368.html


Yukon Flats villages opposed to drilling
LAND SWAP PLAN: Tribal leaders say oil benefits are short-term.

By TOM KIZZIA
tkizzia@adn.com

ARCTIC VILLAGE -- The new generators in this remote Yukon Flats village shut down every night at 10:30, after the televised evening news, as a way to save fuel. The electric blackout ends in the morning, before caribou meat and other frozen goods begin to thaw.

Times are getting harder in Arctic Village, where diesel fuel arrives by air tanker and retails for $8.50 a gallon. But soaring fuel costs haven't softened opposition here and in other Yukon Flats villages to oil drilling in their own region.

A complex land trade that would hasten oil and gas exploration inside the Yukon Flats National Wildlife Refuge continues to draw protest from local villages, despite a promise of jobs and revenue from the region's big Native corporation, Doyon Ltd.

Indeed, packed houses at community meetings helped slow the six-year negotiation to a crawl, and time may now be running out for Bush administration officials who support the deal.

Gwichin Indian leaders say they are worried about pollution from oil spills in the vast wetland basin. They also fear changes to their hunting and fishing territory that would come with a road connection to the outside world.

Trimble Gilbert, the 73-year-old traditional chief in Arctic Village, said he is advising people to hone their hunting and trapping skills to prepare for the hard economic times ahead. An oil boom would offer only a short-term respite, he said.

<snip>

"We fight to keep it closed because of our hunting traditions," said Lorraine Tritt, 39, the elected tribal chief of Arctic Village. "I don't think money is that important to us. I think the food we eat is important."

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:28 PM
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15. Blue, thanks for posting this article too.
This is the mind set of most of the villagers I have met. To them, generations of fish and game are not worth destroying for twenty years of money.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 06:07 PM
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19. I get so angry at the way
some of the pro-development people use the Natives in their ads, the ones against Prop. 4 and the pro-Pebble ads, for instance. It just seems like pure exploitation to me, since it appears that many of the Regional corporations only think of the dollars they can make and not so much about their people's traditional lifestyles.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:17 PM
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7. Everywhere at all costs
Are these the same sillies that listened to Rush and his "get a SUV and drive all you want" mindset?
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hopewell1985 Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:21 PM
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8. I know
lowest common denominator
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:10 PM
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10. Even federally-protected wetlands?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:16 PM
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12. The ignorance of most Americans is no longer surprising.
The US Corp Media treats the viewers & readers like mushrooms. It feeds us shit & keeps us in the dark.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:16 PM
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11. People are willing to do anything to continue the uncontinueable. n/t
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:32 PM
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16. Unfortunately this is true.
If they want 800,000BPD try raising fuel efficiency. In my thinking it would take approximately the same time to develop.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 06:09 PM
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20. Dave, I don't believe I saw you
yesterday at the candidate debate. You would have been amused to hear Don Young scolding the SUV owners for their wasteful driving habits. Suddenly he's an environmentalist? :rofl:
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:46 PM
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21. I'm at work until tomorrow.
I think my wife went. She has been in overdrive the last couple of weeks.
I think Don knows his number is up and he is trying to suck up to anybody and everbody no matter how foolish he looks.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:26 PM
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14. Refineries cannot handle more oil.. So where exactly would all this "New Oil" go??
onto the global market, where China & India would snatch it right up..at any price...more money for the oil companies..higher prices for us..
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