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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 07:55 AM
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Just HOW long can America be 'on the verge of winning' in Iraq?
Just yesterday, I saw the ambiguously effeminate lindsay graham ejaculating on cnn about how we are on the verge of winning in Iraq, and it made me wonder how many times I've heard this term in the last 5 years.

Is the surge the reason we're on the verge? I thought the urge to surge was to take us OVER the verge.

And when we've finally 'won' in Iraq, how will we know? Will it be announced with great fanfare? How long till that occurs? Are we measuring in real time or mc cain time?

Will the republicans make a lot of loud, orgasmic noises when this affair is finally over, and then roll over and snore and fart all night long? When oh when will the republicans finally get their rocks off and leave Iraq claiming glorious victory?

Conditions on the ground conditions on the ground conditions on the ground. No artificial timetables no artificial timetables no artificial timetables.

When can I have a welcome home party for my niece you assholes? This verge of winning shit is getting real tired.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 07:56 AM
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1. and lindsey graham, what the fuck do we win?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 07:56 AM
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2. Until Obama takes office..then we'll be on the "verge of surrender."
Wait for it. It's coming.

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JBoris Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 07:59 AM
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3. I was just thinking that. To me "the surge worked" = "the insurgency is in its last throes" nt
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 08:00 AM by JBoris
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 06:54 PM
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20. Well, we DID turn a lotta corners
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 06:55 PM by lolly
Maybe after about the 25th turned corner, the surge took over?

On edit--serge, surge--what's the difference?
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JBoris Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:12 AM
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21. Meh... I edited mine from "throws" to "throes". Maybe homophone errors are contagious. nt
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 03:58 PM
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23. So are Colbertian siglines!
:toast:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:00 AM
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4. 100 years?
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 08:01 AM by BushDespiser12
Orwell would be proud.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:01 AM
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5. Has anyone ever defined "winning"? Seriously.
I've never heard a good answer from the warmongers on the right.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:03 AM
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8. Anyone using the word winning in regard to this war is an idiot.
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 08:03 AM by Philosoraptor
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:06 AM
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13. That sums up the right-wing's collective mentality
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 08:09 AM by Lastlaughin08
They think Iraq can be "won", whatever that means.

They just can't seem to define it.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:02 AM
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6. And what exactly are we going to "win"? nt
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:02 AM
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7. If a country remains "on the verge" longer than 4 years they should seek immediate medical attention
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:04 AM
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10. Please consult your doctor if 4000 soldiers are killed & 80,000 wounded
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:04 AM
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9. Forever.
The objective isn't to defeat terrorism, or stabilize Iraq. The objective is to give a plausible reason keep the price of oil high, and to create more terrorists to fight.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:05 AM
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11. We 'won' the war in Iraq on May 1, 2003.
Remember Captain Codpiece flying onto the USS Abraham Lincoln? :

Mission accomplished.





Unfortunately, the occupation hasn't been doing as well.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:05 AM
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12. It's right on the timeline horison! Can't you see it?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 08:25 AM
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14. until we run out of..
Al Qaeda's # 2
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:24 AM
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15. They must have forgotten the "Mission Accomplished". Wasn't that a victory?
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 11:27 AM by LiberalFighter
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:14 PM
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16. ?
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:47 PM
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17. Until Obama wins. They they'll play "everything you do is wrong" in the media.
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 05:54 PM by Edweird
If stays, he shoulda pulled out and every death and injury from the beginning will be his fault.
If he pulls out he'll be aiding the terrorists and making America less safe.

No matter what Obama does, he's going to get crucified for it in the media. I would have said right wing media, but that would have been redundant.

edited to add:

I expect the onslaught to begin about 10 seconds after he's sworn in and for it be loud, vicious and endless.
I also expect the words "traitor" and "treason" to come into play surprisingly quickly.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 06:23 PM
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18. I Had A Spasmgasm Just Reading Your Awesome Post!!!
:woohoo:
:rofl: :rofl:
Incredible

Winning is another no-bid contract for Halliburton etc......


:hi:
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 06:34 PM
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19. Read "1984" lately?
...On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns -- after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of Eurasia had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 Eurasian war-criminals who were to be publicly hanged on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces -- at just this moment it had been announced that Oceania was not after all at war with Eurasia. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.

There was, of course, no admission that any change had taken place. Merely it became known, with extreme suddenness and everywhere at once, that Eastasia and not Eurasia was the enemy. Winston was taking part in a demonstration in one of the central London squares at the moment when it happened. It was night, and the white faces and the scarlet banners were luridly floodlit. The square was packed with several thousand people, including a block of about a thousand schoolchildren in the uniform of the Spies. On a scarlet-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities, massacres, deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of civilians, lying propaganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech. One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had been changed.

The thing that impressed Winston in looking back was that the speaker had switched from one line to the other actually in midsentence, not only without a pause, but without even breaking the syntax....


--1984 by George Orwell

We'll ALWAYS be "on the verge".
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:13 AM
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22. They already "won". Its an OCCUPATION.
n/t
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