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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:57 PM
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Death of Free Internet - Canada Will Be Test Case
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Death of Free Internet - Canada Will Be Test Case

http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/death-of-free-internet-canada-will-be-test-case/4159/

Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008

In the last 15 years or so, as a society we have had access to more information than ever before in modern history because of the Internet. There are approximately 1 billion Internet users in the world and any one of these users can theoretically communicate in real time with any other on the planet.

The Internet has been the greatest technological achievement of the 20th century by far, and has been recognized as such by the global community. The free transfer of information, uncensored, unlimited and untainted, still seems to be a dream when you think about it. Whatever field that is mentioned- education, commerce, government, news, entertainment, politics and countless other areas- have been radically affected by the introduction of the Internet.

And mostly, it’s good news, except when poor judgments are made and people are taken advantage of. Scrutiny and oversight are needed, especially where children are involved. However, when there are potential profits open to a corporation, the needs of society don’t count.

Take the recent case in Canada with the behemoths, Telus and Rogers rolling out a charge for text messaging without any warning to the public. It was an arrogant and risky move for the telecommunications giants because it backfired. People actually used Internet technology to deliver a loud and clear message to these companies and that was to scrap the extra charge. The people used the power of the Internet against the big boys and the little guys won.

However, the issue of text messaging is just a tiny blip on the radar screens of Telus and another company, Bell Canada, the two largest Internet service Providers (ISP’S) in Canada. Our country is being used as a test case to drastically change the delivery of Internet service forever. The change will be so radical that it has the potential to send us back to the horse and buggy days of information sharing and access.

In the upcoming weeks watch for a report in Time Magazine that will attempt to smooth over the rough edges of a diabolical plot by Bell Canada and Telus, to begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites. The plan is to convert the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and then pay to visit sites beyond a cutoff point.

From my browsing (on the currently free Internet) I have discovered that the ‘demise’ of the free Internet is slated for 2010 in Canada, and two years later around the world. Canada is seen a good choice to implement such shameful and sinister changes, since Canadians are viewed as being laissez fair, politically uninformed and an easy target.

The corporate marauders will iron out the wrinkles in Canada and then spring the new, castrated version of the Internet on the rest of the world, probably with little fanfare, except for some dire warnings about the ‘evil’ of the Internet (free) and the CEO’s spouting about ’safety and security’. These buzzwords usually work pretty well.

What will the Internet look like in Canada in 2010? I suspect that the ISP’s will provide a “package” program as companies like Cogeco currently do. Customers will pay for a series of websites as they do now for their television stations. Television stations will be available on-line as part of these packages, which will make the networks happy since they have lost much of the younger market which are surfing and chatting on their computers in the evening. However, as is the case with cable television now, if you choose something that is not part of the package, you know what happens. You pay extra.

And this is where the Internet (free) as we know it will suffer almost immediate, economic strangulation.
Thousands and thousands of Internet sites will not be part of the package so users will have to pay extra to visit those sites! In just an hour or two it is possible to easily visit 20-30 sites or more while looking for information. Just imagine how high these costs will be.

At present, the world condemns China because that country restricts certain websites. “They are undemocratic; they are removing people’s freedom; they don’t respect individual rights; they are censoring information,” are some of the comments we hear. But what Bell Canada and Telus have planned for Canadians is much worse than that. They are planning the death of the Internet (free) as we know it, and I expect they’ll be hardly a whimper from Canadians.

It’s all part of the corporate plan for a New World Order and virtually a masterstroke that will lead to the creation of billions and billions of dollars of corporate profit at the expense of the working and middle classes. There are so many other implications as a result of these changes, far too many to elaborate on here.

Be aware that we will all lose our privacy because all websites will be tracked as part of the billing procedure, and we will be literally cut off from 90% of the information that we can access today. The little guys on the Net will fall likes flies; Bloggers and small website operators will die a quick death because people will not pay to go to their sites and read their pages. Ironically, the only medium that can save us is the one we are trying to save- the Internet (free).

This article will be posted on my Blog, www.realitycheck.typepad.com and I encourage people and groups to learn more about this issue. Canadians can keep the Internet free just as they kept text messaging free. Don’t wait for the federal politicians. They will do nothing to help us.

I would welcome a letter to the editor of the Standard Freeholder from a spokesperson from Bell Canada or Telus telling me that I am absolutely wrong in what I have written, and that no such changes to the Internet are being planned, and that access to Internet sites will remain FREE in the years to come. In the meantime, I encourage all of you to write to the media, ask questions, phone the radio station, phone a friend, or think of something else to prevent what appears to me to be inevitable.

Maintaining Internet (free) access is the only way we have a chance at combatting the global corporate takeover, the North American Union, and a long list of other deadly deeds that the elite in society have planned for us. Yesterday was too late in trying to protect our rights and freedoms. We must now redouble our efforts in order to give our children and grandchildren a fighting chance in the future.

http://realitycheck.typepad.com/commentary_news/2008/07/death-of-free-internet-is-imminent–canada-will-be-test-case.html
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:02 PM
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1. No way. Companies want hits, they don't want people to stop going
after visiting their site once a day.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:10 PM
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3. No way?! Ever heard of Net Neutrality? & savetheinternet.com ?!
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 04:11 PM by Breeze54
:silly:

Big phone and cable companies are trying to eliminate Net Neutrality, the principle
that protects our ability go where we want and do what we choose online.


More than 1.5 million SavetheInternet.com supporters are fighting
to keep the Internet free and open for everyone.

Learn more about an issue that unites the Christian Coalition, Teamsters,
PETA, video gamers, the ACLU, Gun Owners of America and many more... http://www.savetheinternet.com/=faq

http://www.savetheinternet.com/
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:16 PM
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4. Understand the gist behind neutrality before spouting off about it
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:18 PM
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6. Spouting off? You're the one who believes they don't want to make a profit on YOU!
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 04:18 PM by Breeze54
:eyes:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:22 PM
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8. Not worth further time
cya
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:27 PM
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10. See why I have that one on ignore?
I don't have time for tripe like that anymore.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:39 PM
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22. same here
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 07:19 PM
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29. You two are cracking me up
There's not much point in ignore if you can't resist the temptation to find out who it is.


I'll say this much here, this article is a load of shit. Anyone with any kind of true understanding how the 'net works with businesses would recognize that, and not confuse it with the efforts behind net neutrality.

Anyway, you didn't see this, but others will. Hopefully they'll listen to some sense around here.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:02 PM
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2. Final paragraphs sum it up well
"Be aware that we will all lose our privacy because all websites will be tracked as part of the billing procedure, and we will be literally cut off from 90% of the information that we can access today. The little guys on the Net will fall likes flies; Bloggers and small website operators will die a quick death because people will not pay to go to their sites and read their pages. Ironically, the only medium that can save us is the one we are trying to save- the Internet (free)."

and

"Maintaining Internet (free) access is the only way we have a chance at combatting the global corporate takeover, the North American Union, and a long list of other deadly deeds that the elite in society have planned for us. Yesterday was too late in trying to protect our rights and freedoms. We must now redouble our efforts in order to give our children and grandchildren a fighting chance in the future."
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:18 PM
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5. Free dating sites become pay to play.
The same model is being used. Poor model.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:22 PM
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7. Everything becomes 'pay to play'
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 04:22 PM by Breeze54
Who wants to get rid of Net Neutrality?

http://www.savetheinternet.com/=faq

The nation's largest telephone and cable companies -- including AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner -- want to be Internet gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won't load at all.


They want to tax content providers to guarantee speedy delivery of their data. They want to discriminate in favor of their own search engines, Internet phone services, and streaming video -- while slowing down or blocking their competitors.

These companies have a new vision for the Internet. Instead of an even playing field, they want to reserve express lanes for their own content and services -- or those from big corporations that can afford the steep tolls -- and leave the rest of us on a winding dirt road.

The big phone and cable companies are spending hundreds of millions of dollars lobbying Congress and the Federal Communications Commission to gut Net Neutrality, putting the future of the Internet at risk.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:25 PM
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9. if it gets to that, i'll simply give it up...
and save that much money monthly.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:27 PM
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11. I'd find it very difficult to give it up.... cable TV was hard enough!
:grr:
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:39 PM
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12. I don't see this one working
The problem for them is that there will be at least one, and likely several, ISPs that will not change their business model to what is being described. As long as one ISP remains free, they win. I would cheerfully pay twice as much to an ISP if the alternative was some sort of tiered internet, or pay as you go plan. In fact I think they would find that most people would. If AT&T or whoever tried such a plan they would find their customers disappearing at light speed. As long as there are choices in the marketplace no one will get away with this idea.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:42 PM
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13. The lone comment on realitycheck seems to cast some doubt on the article.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:45 PM
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14. Probably from someone who doesn't believe it can happen?
I don't know if it's true but I would not doubt it at all.

You posted the same article as in the OP?

It was just published today. :shrug:
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 04:59 PM
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15. Who doesn't believe it can happen?
I wouldn't pretend to know whether it could or couldn't/would or wouldn't happen; I'm not that smart. Only smart enough to know that the more information one has, the better.

BTW, sorry if I wasn't clear (I'm nursing a cold): I didn't post the same article, rather I responded two days ago to an OP on DU that was identical to yours. (Scroll to the top of the realitycheck link in my last post to see that it was originally published on July 20.)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:02 PM
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16. Hope you feel better soon!!
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 05:04 PM by Breeze54
Who doesn't believe it can happen? See post # 1

BTW? The article I posted was under BREAKING NEWS at http://rinf.com

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:04 PM
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18. Thanks, Breeze54.
And thanks again.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:02 PM
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17. Canadians politically uninformed my ass! Politics is a contact sport if Canada.
This will be interesting.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:05 PM
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19. If they do that, I'll start my own damn ISP and be a billionaire overnight.
Let 'em do something so colossally stupid.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:26 PM
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20. I don't believe it. It would result in Telus and Bell trying to charge Yahoo and Google customers
a surcharge for using Yahoo and Google's services.
Not to mention the news orgs who are heavily
invested in the internet.

Neither Telus nor Bell have the kind of muscle
to try and take a cut of their business. Which
is exactly what this is: a corporate VAT.

Also, telephone service in Canada is regulated
by the CRTC which has removed the telecoms' monopoly
on long distance service in recent years. Hence
Telus as an ISP has to carry Scype which charges
a fraction for long distance compared to Telus.
That's their payback for ripping off the Canadian
customer for so long.

Any attempt by the Telus or Bell to use
their market dominance to place a 'roaming'
charge on internet usage will lead to a
swift regulatory response from the government.

Especially when the large E-Commerce companies
start screaming at Harper. He'll fold like a
cheap suit when the phone starts ringing.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:37 PM
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21. I hope so but I got the drift from the article that they were
going to do an 'experiment' in Canada, to see if it would work.

Maybe the editor at rinf is speculating but it's definitely food for thought!

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Time does have an article and see what happens in the near future.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 09:20 PM
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30. Goto the original source of the story and check out the comments.


There is no Times story merely a free lancer
shopping a story to the times.

Looks like Blog Fog to me

http://realitycheck.typepad.com/commentary_news/2008/07/death-of-free-internet-is-imminent--canada-will-be-test-case.html
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:55 PM
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23. From what I understand, the ISP's are getting a little fed up with
all the bandwidth being sucked up by people who download very large files.

I believe they will start to charge per use. Say you want to download a movie, well they will add an extra charge for using more bandwidth than say someone posting on DU. Or you want to stream a HD TV to your computer. Same stuff.

That's the business model I hear talked about on the news channels.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 06:00 PM
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24. I've heard the phone companies are also slowing some down....
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 06:00 PM by Breeze54
because people in neighborhoods share the cable connection and some get slowed access, like me,
due to all the addresses logging on same phone lines... Don't they charge extra to download movies and music now?

I get kicked off the phone line/dial up 3 times a day!!! :grr:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 07:15 PM
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27. No and that is the point...
They are looking at charging people for bandwidth usage, like water or electricity
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 06:02 PM
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25. *** cough cough bullshit cough cough *** ...
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 06:04 PM by SidDithers
Bookmarking this post to regularly check on it's accuracy.

Sid

Edit: sounds like someone who's pissed about their new text-message charges starting rumors about Bell and Telus.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 06:30 PM
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26. Something remarkably similar came up about a month ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3478477&mesg_id=3478477

Dylan Pattyn *, who is currently writing an article for Time Magazine on the issue, has official confirmation from sources within Bell Canada and is interviewing a marketing representative from TELUS who confirms the story and states that TELUS has already started blocking all websites that aren't in the subscription package for mobile Internet access.

That's mobile Internet access. As in from a cell phone. Not your trusty broadband-connected desktop.

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: off, please.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 07:18 PM
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28. Doesn't mean they won't try for regular internet access.
No tinfoil here.... It's smart to pay attention. :hi:
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