There will be no impeachment, they got away with it, and we have yet another media-created illusion

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to replace the current and last media-created illusion.

Some hard truth, in case you want to smoke an unfiltered.


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[gateley]

1. I don't know what you're saying beyond the "there will be no impeachment" =

but I agree with you on that. :grr:

[RNdaSilva]

10. Sad but true...

[Wapsie B]

2. I have to agree.

I don't see how impeachment is anything but dead in the water at this point. If this were '05 or '06 I'd say there'd be enough time to get it done. gop dirty tactics aside,this seems to me like a face-saving attempt for the Dems; being able to say that at least they tried to get him outta there.

[Selatius]

3. In the game of cold politics, you win if you abandon all morals except ambition for power.

They won't impeach precisely because they feel it would cost them seats, thus power. They likely want the kind of power the White House has accumulated over the last eight years, an accumulation partially aided by several Democrats' complicity. You have to remember that all political parties exist to win power. Sometimes that's not the same as the interests of the people.

[Agent William]

4. I too sadly agree.

And of course the media couldn't roll over fast enough. Makes me sick. The only thing now than can hold them to justice is Karma...

[NuttyFluffers]

5. your time scale is limited...

just because the storm is landing, it still does not speak anything about the aftermath... or resolution and reconstruction.

however, under your finite expectations of judgment and punishment under human and national law within the next few years, yes, your expectations will be satisfied.

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6. you speak of karma and universal judgement?

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7. you don't know that. why not let the committees do what the committees do?

it hasn't happened yet.

let it play out.

and if it's wrong we can all be pissed. and post something like you did tonight.

but let it play out...

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8. what chance do you think impeachment has when the House leader and the prez nominee

both say it is an area we should not tread upon?

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9. i don't believe in chance. i believe in possibility...

that's no knock on you, but until tomorrow actually happens it allows for infinite possibility.

and i'm going with that.



if sometime in the near future you want to play the "i told you so card" on me i will eat all the crow you wish to serve. i eat a lot of crow lately, but i will not predict future events before they happen.


better yet, if you have a plan to turn my possibility into a more solid probability i am all ears.

you tell me...

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11. I will never play the "I told you so" card.

And you are more than welcome, as far as that goes from me, to believe against all reality.


But I will tell you this now - there will be no impeachment. There will be no war crimes trial. Pelosi has said so, Obama has said so. Dennis is as far as I can see the only patriot in action. It won't go anywhere because the powers that be, our guys, won't let it. Time to move along...

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13. ok. thank you for that. and as anyone that has ever been to vegas will tell you...

possibility is what the suckers play.


i meant no disrespect. i also believe that whatever is broke here can be fixed. that's my training. we look at a problem and construct a resolution/solution to the problem. we fix it.

so, if they impeach, perfect. end of problem. if they don't... why? that is the problem.

but i don't think that problem would be the end of the world, i see it as a problem that needs to be fixed. and we need all sorts of clever minds to address that problem. especially pragmatic thinkers like you. plus lofty idealists like me.

we look at the problem, we analyze the problem, we figure out a solution. we fix it.


lofties always go, "its easy, raise income tax to 100% on the rich", pragmatics go "pfffttt."


i love du, but the discussions are usually of the "heads on poles" vs the "never going to happen" variety where each side tries to win the argument.

screw the argument. we could and should come up with a plan.

you know, to solve the problem. don't move along, skip intro.

talk to me...

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15. thing is, it's not up to me or you

if the House speaker won't let a vote for impeachment come to the floor, and the Dem nominee declares it is not an option, nothing you or I or Kucinich can do will make it happen. That is just the way it is.

There is little to argue about.

And why? This to me takes the focus off the bushcrimes and puts it on the obstruction of justice from our own party.

I don't know where to go from there. I have lost faith in the system. I have lost faith in the parties. I don't see Obama as the savior most here see him as. I see more of the same, with slight tics to the left here and there, but no sweeping return to American values - truth, honesty, justice, equality - don't see it.

I see politicians posturing while the rights of the poeple suffer. While real justice suffers.

And no one will be held accountable for his/her transgressions against their sworn oaths to uphold the constitution and the rights of the people. The supreme rights of the people. Now or in the future.

I'm almost sorry I can't get caught up in the cheerleading. But in reality, having been around for a while, I just can't wave a flag because everyone else is waving a flag, you know?


Bottom line, there will be no impeachment, the bush gang, blood all over their hands, will walk away from their crimes. Couldn't be more obvious. And despite the hoisting of Obama on the arms of the world, little will change. I'm sorry, but that is the reality that I see.

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17. see? that is why we need each other. this is not the end of the world...

ok, i'll let my inner "skip intro" come out...

will bush be impeached? no. will bush be brought up in an international court for his crimes? no. will bush go off and live his life with his speaking tours and his ss protection and whatnot? yes.

this is the problem. you see this as the end of something. i see this as something we have allowed politicians to become over many, many years. a problem.

stop for a second thinking of yourself as a democrat, as if all democrats think and act the same way. they don't. and think about the fact that a republican (not many, but some) can be someone that is not always outside of your way of thinking. some do.

the vast, vast majority of them, right now are neither democrats or republicans. they are "politicians." this is the problem.


remember, i am simple. everything in my life is a "problem" or "not a problem".

so you don't give up hope. look at the problem. it's not about democrats or republicans. it's about politicians.


how do we eliminate politicians, and restore democrats and republicans? (because i do think we do need both.)



don't give up, just focus anew...

[Marr]

12. This has been apparent since about May of 2007.

When the Democrats first got in, I was cautiously optimistic. They were staying away from the word impeachment, but promising lots of investigations. I felt this was the proper road to take if impeachment were to eventually happen, since you wouldn't want it to look a decision had already been reached (even though the criminals had already boasted about their crimes).

The problem, I thought, was that the right course and the wrong course would look identical for at least a few months. Either they'd build a case through investigations and eventually move on to impeachment and a trial, or they'd use investigations to stall and actually bury evidence. Sadly, they've taken the latter approach.

[wildbilln864]

14. kicked, and recomended for the sad truth it is. nt

:cry:

[KharmaTrain]

16. Is An Impeachment All You Want?

If that's the case, yes you will be disappointed.

If you want justice and prosecution of real crimes, not political ones, then you'll see a bigger picture involving more than just two figureheads of a massive criminal enterprise. That means a lot of investigation ahead as we're just scratching at the surface of all the criminal activities that's taken place and discovering more currently remains behind a stone wall of "executive privilidge" and a politicized Justice Department that won't even prosecute subpoenas...and have their own corruption problems.

I want all the criminals in this regime investigated and prosecuted...Rummy, Gonzo, Addington, Rove...the real operatives who were the masterminds behind a lot of this criminality and go scott free in an impeachment...ready to come back in several years and pick up their crimes once again. That's the lesson of Watergate many here aren't paying attention to. Getting rid of Nixon didn't prevent the rise of a Rummy or Cheney or even a Rove. They just went underground. This time the weeds need to be rooted out.

This regime has done plenty of damage that has to be addressed and that can be best achieved with a larger Democratic majority and a Democratic president...and, yes, waiting until after 1/20/09 to prevent this regime from pardoning their way out of town.

The need is to push for the selection of an Independent Prosecutor with full subpoena powers to start work on 1/21/09...get the politicians out of this process...so we can get to the bottom of many of the crimes committed and then hold those committed them accountable. Right now there's the smoke, we need to go find the smoking gun...and demand of our legislators that they support this process. The corruption of this regime requires true lawyers and investigators...not politicians.

And then there's the matter of the World Court and the war crimes...but that's for another day...

[EFerrari]

18. If we have to work the rest of our lives, they won't get away with this.

It's not going to happen. :)

[clovis29]

19. We CANT let them get away with all they have dobe

K&R btw