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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 04:55 PM
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Rethinking Afghanistan: "Another Trillion-Dollar War Without End?"
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 04:55 PM by Better Believe It
Rethinking Afghanistan
by Katrina vanden Heuvel
The Nation
07/22/2008

If elected, Senator Barack Obama has the possibility of reengaging with a world that seeks an America which isn't defined by Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo – but by the democratic ideals to which we aspire. His election, allied with smart and humane policies, could help restore this country's global reputation – and turn a page on the reckless and destructive policies of mad men.

Obama has shown how capable he is of good judgment. His original opposition to the war and his still-firm commitment to an expeditious withdrawal of US combat forces from Iraq – a war which long ago lost any strategic purpose – are both good measures of that judgment. (His position on keeping residual forces and mercenary troops in Iraq is one The Nation disagrees with.)

So it is troubling that as he shows sound thinking on Iraq, Obama also continues to talk about escalating the US military presence in Afghanistan. (This holds true not just for Senator Obama, but for most Democrats in Washington, who argue mantra-like that we need to leave Iraq in order to free additional troops to serve in Afghanistan.) Shouldn't serious thought be given to how Senator Obama's necessary agenda for healthcare and progressive economic reform might be sacrificed to yet another trillion-dollar war without end?

That's why I would urge Senator Obama to read three documents and think long and hard about the dangers to his agenda – both domestically and internationally – of extricating the US from one disastrous war and heading into another. I believe there are alternatives which need to be explored at this critical juncture before such a commitment is made, and some of those ideas are found in these documents.

Please read the entire article at:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/338364/rethinking_afghanistan







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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 04:56 PM
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1. Yes, that would be one trillion in actual spending and three trillion in interest
...on the debt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 04:57 PM
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2. i think before we commit more troops to afghanistan, we need to define our mission
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 05:26 PM by spanone
it's a narco nation, so we'd best get used to that fact
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 05:00 PM
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4. There is nothing we can do in Afghanistan militarily that won't
blow up in our (and in Obama's) face.

Nothing.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 05:23 PM
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6. if it helps
know that you are not alone in your thoughts. This bothers me greatly and I do not agree with Obama's ideas on this one bit.

:kick: & recommend!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 05:32 PM
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7. I got a long post from Code Pink on this topic
but I can't repost it with the links.

And they are right, of course. Medea and other CPers went to Afghanistan to fact find very early on after our "war" and I respect their reports.

Obama is wrong on this issue and I sincerely hope this is campaign talk on his part.

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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 05:53 PM
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8. I hope you are right
campaign talk is all ... what if it is for real?

We need to let Sen. Obama and his campaign know that we don't believe that this will do any good at all (back to Afghanistan, etc.). It will only further hinder the USA not only politically, but would be an economic disaster. It doesn't seem like anyone in the EU is interested is joining the USA in the plan. I for one, as a mere citizen HATE the idea!

:kick:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 05:56 PM
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9. His foreign policy is sort of scary to me because he, maybe in a smart way,
denies the right wing of their talking points by co-opting them.

But, that leave me not knowing or not being able to know what he really thinks or what he might do in office.

Co-opting right wing militarism isn't my idea of change. We'll have to see, won't we?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 04:59 PM
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3. I don't need to rethink it;
I've never supported it. I certainly hope Obama rethinks his position.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 05:11 PM
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5. Is Afghanistan a Narco-State?

Is Afghanistan a Narco-State?
By THOMAS SCHWEICH
Thomas Schweich served the Bush administration as an ambassador for counternarcotics and justice reform in Afghanistan, as deputy assistant secretary of state for international law enforcement and chief of staff to the U.S. Mission to the United Nations. He is currently a special representative for Latin America for the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).


New York Times
July 27, 2008

On March 1, 2006, I met Hamid Karzai for the first time. It was a clear, crisp day in Kabul. The Afghan president joined President and Mrs. Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Ambassador Ronald Neumann to dedicate the new United States Embassy. He thanked the American people for all they had done for Afghanistan. I was a senior counternarcotics official recently arrived in a country that supplied 90 percent of the world’s heroin. I took to heart Karzai’s strong statements against the Afghan drug trade. That was my first mistake.

Over the next two years I would discover how deeply the Afghan government was involved in protecting the opium trade — by shielding it from American-designed policies. While it is true that Karzai’s Taliban enemies finance themselves from the drug trade, so do many of his supporters. At the same time, some of our NATO allies have resisted the anti-opium offensive, as has our own Defense Department, which tends to see counternarcotics as other people’s business to be settled once the war-fighting is over. The trouble is that the fighting is unlikely to end as long as the Taliban can finance themselves through drugs — and as long as the Kabul government is dependent on opium to sustain its own hold on power.

As big as these challenges were, there were even bigger ones. A lot of intelligence — much of it unclassified and possible to discuss here — indicated that senior Afghan officials were deeply involved in the narcotics trade. Narco-traffickers were buying off hundreds of police chiefs, judges and other officials. Narco-corruption went to the top of the Afghan government. The attorney general, Abdul Jabbar Sabit, a fiery Pashtun who had begun a self-described “jihad against corruption,” told me and other American officials that he had a list of more than 20 senior Afghan officials who were deeply corrupt — some tied to the narcotics trade. He added that President Karzai — also a Pashtun — had directed him, for political reasons, not to prosecute any of these people. (On July 16 of this year, Karzai dismissed Sabit after Sabit announced his candidacy for president. Karzai’s office said Sabit’s candidacy violated laws against political activity by officials. Sabit told a press conference that Karzai “has never been able to tolerate rivals.”)

A nearly equal challenge in 2006 was the lack of resolve in the international community. Although Britain’s foreign office strongly backed antinarcotics efforts (with the exception of aerial eradication), the British military were even more hostile to the antidrug mission than the U.S. military. British forces — centered in Helmand — actually issued leaflets and bought radio advertisements telling the local criminals that the British military was not part of the anti-poppy effort. I had to fly to Brussels and show one of these leaflets to the supreme allied commander in Europe, who oversees Afghan operations for NATO, to have this counterproductive information campaign stopped. It was a small victory; the truth was that many of our allies in the International Security Assistance Force were lukewarm on antidrug operations, and most were openly hostile to aerial eradication.

Please read the entire article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/magazine/27AFGHAN-t.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin



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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 06:45 PM
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11. The corruption may involve our own government...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 06:01 PM
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10. original reason for invasion....
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 06:04 PM by spanone
The War in Afghanistan, which began on October 7, 2001, was launched by the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks. It was the beginning of the War on Terror. The stated purpose of the invasion was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbor to al-Qaeda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 06:55 PM
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12. Right. And since none of the targets are still in Afghanistan
why should we redeploy troops to Afghanistan?

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. For The Weekend DU Crew
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 12:03 PM
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14. I supported what we did in Afghanistan and we seemed to be pretty successful
UNTIL Bush redeployed the bulk of our military to Iraq for the next 5+ years (and then escalated our involvement in Iraq instead of Afghanistan even when it appeared that Afghanistan was starting to slip back into anarchy). Meanwhile, the situation in Afghanistan has, of course, deteriorated and the Taliban/Al-Queda, thanks to the "respite" provided by Bush not to mention their incompetence that resulted in several of them being able to flee to nearby outlaw regions of Pakistan, they have been put in a position from which they might be able to reestablish themselves in Afghanistan. After everything that has happened to our military because of Iraq, it would be better to get most of our troops out of the ME altogether and get them home where they can recuperate and we can start rebuilding our military. However, such a large withdrawal may allow the Taliban/Al-Queda the ability to regain control of Afghanistan and reestablish their base of operations from which to plan more attacks against us, which is, IMHO, a legitimate risk based on past experience. There may be other options that I can't think of right now but I think that it is good that Obama is trying to get us to focus on the goals what our troops were originally sent overseas to do. Whether it is too late and too much time has passed since most of our forces have been tied up in Iraq to do anything to prevent the Taliban/Al-Queda's seemingly inevitable resurgence in Afghanistan remains to be seen. I certainly trust Obama's judgment on the matter WAY more than McCain's however!
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:08 PM
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15. Don't try to tell the Obamaidiots shit! The goddamn stupid
asses don't realize that he is going to retrench us in this phony war, Support Israel unconditionally, try to tell Iran they can't have nuclear weapons and continue that geopolitical farce...in sum he isn't much different than what we have now.
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