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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:13 PM
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Massive Economic Disaster Seems Possible -- Will Survivalists Get the Last Laugh?
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/92706/massive_economic_disaster_seems_possible_--_will_survivalists_get_the_last_laugh_/

They used to be paranoid preparation nuts who built bomb shelters for a place to duck and cover during nuclear dustups with communist heathens, but their tangled roots go back to the Great Depression for a reason. If you want to get sociological about it, survivalism started out as a response to economic catastrophe. And now, with a cratering stock market, a housing meltdown that has devalued everything in sight, and skyrocketing prices for food, gas and pretty much everything else, survivalists are preparing for -- and are prepared for -- the rerun. In fact, they may be the only people in America feeling good about the prospects of a major crash.

And the interesting thing about the once-fringe movement at this moment in history is that survivalism has now gone green -- at least in theory.

From peak oil and food crises all the way to catastrophic payback from that bitch Mother Earth, there are more reasons to hide than ever. Conventional society as we know it is already undergoing some disastrous transformations. Ask anyone ducking fires in California, floods in the Midwest or bullets in Baghdad. Maybe it didn't make sense to run for the hills, stockpile water and food, grow your own vegetables and drugs, or unplug from consumerism back when America's budget surplus still existed, its armies weren't burning up all the nation's revenue and its infrastructure wasn't being outsourced to a globalized work force.

But those days are gone, daddy, gone.

What's coming up is weirder. Author, social critic and overall hilarious dude James Kunstler tackled that weirdness, otherwise known as an incoming post-oil dystopia, in his recent novel, World Made by Hand, which has since become one of a handful of survivalist classics. And as Kunstler sees it, whether you are talking about gun nuts or green pioneers, at least you are talking.

"At least they're aware that we've entered the early innings of what could easily become a very disruptive period of our history," the Clusterfuck Nation columnist explains. "Most of them are responding constructively rather than just defensively. They're much more interested in gardening and animal husbandry than firearms."

Not that the gun nuts have gone away. Their ranks have just diversified.

"The gun nuts have been on the scene longer than the peak oil argument has been in play," he adds. "They were initially preoccupied with Big Government and its accompanying narrative fantasy of fascist oppression, which is why they adopted a fascist tone themselves. But peak-oil survivalists are different from the Ruby Ridge generation. They don't think that a bolt-hole in the woods is a very promising strategy. We have no idea at this point what the level of social cohesion or disorder may be, but if the rural areas, especially the agricultural centers, become too lawless for farming, then we'll be in pretty severe trouble because there will be nothing for us to eat."
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:19 PM
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1. Do they have any good websites?
I'd be interested to read what they have to say. Since they were right.
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 03:13 PM
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5. Here is W H Kunstlers website.
http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/

Survival blog is also mentioned in the article( be for-warned that some of the stuff there is scary, but has a lot of interesting articles about preparedness.)

http://www.survivalblog.com/

There a lot of youtube vids with Kunstler talking about his book "The long Emergency".
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:24 PM
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2. I live rurally, one road in & out
Food is the crisis, water too... I can 0only stockpile so much. Knowing how to hunt & gather will be crucial to survival. I am enjoying the convenience of m life while I still can, because it will be changing drastically in the next 1-5 yrs... Neighborhood gardens, comunity organizing, etc are going to be crucial.


I know alot of friends and family think I am just a doomsdayer...but I have seen this coming for years. Just an inner knowing that we have to massively break down civilization as we know it to rebuild it greener, saner, more peacefully...and yes, I am an idealist as well, so I am doubly screwed! lol

I agree with this movement and consciousnes, it won't hurt to be prepared and in a healthy community when the shit hits the fan.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 08:25 PM
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12. Yeah my family used to think I was bat shit crazy till Katrina happened.
It let them see what would happen to the entire country if a major crisis happened such as a food, water or gas shortage was to happen.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:25 PM
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3. Ah, James Howard, one of my favorites
We read him in our Historic Preservation course. He's a smart cookie, very insightful.
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:42 PM
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4. I live in the town where Kunstlers novel takes place.
Edited on Sat Jul-26-08 03:04 PM by amerikat
I read the novel about a month ago. Here is a trailer about the book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zi_u0Q1RwY

edit: subject line
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 03:18 PM
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6. I'm preparing for the "Millenium Bug". Bird flu? The Race War? "Second Coming?
Space Aliens? The Viet Cong storming Hollywood?

"There is no safety in the Cosmos." Alan Watts

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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 03:55 PM
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7. it does look like they were right all along.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 05:25 PM
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8. When trucks filled with food get hijacked and cities go wothout.
Bush gang is ready. This is all part of their plan to fulfill the 5th prophesy.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 05:31 PM
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9. Chicken little snorts H...
what a pile of shit. The article is silly.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 06:09 PM
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10. Love good discussion.
I guess that is only on your terms?
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 09:58 PM
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13. It's always good to have some supplies on hand in the event
of natural disaster, interruption of basic services, etc.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:09 PM
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15. Common sense is good..
food, water, generator, what you would need to take care of things for two weeks or so.

Firearms are a personal call.

However the OP's article is way over the edge. Having distributed aid in uniform after declared emergencies I have seen people's reactions.

Most people are concerned with their family and their homes. They are emotional and stressed.

We were never issued weapons for these deployments to support local LE but MP's had sidearms. I never saw anything other than really stressed people who lost all their things. No reason for weapons generally.

However in the event of a civil problem they are available to NG units and are effective.

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 08:21 PM
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11. Big changes are surely coming
And soft, spoiled, lazy America is ill-prepared.

Julie
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:02 PM
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14. I'm one of 'em - I believe there are tough times ahead!
:kick:
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-08 12:14 PM
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16. Build, buy or invest in rickshaws and learn to weld. n/t
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