Re the Edwards thing

[jsamuel]

One thing is for sure. If Fox News is pushing the story, they think that going after Edwards on this will benefit McCain. Maybe they know Edwards would be a great VP candidate.

[karynnj]

1. They pick up every negative piece of garbage on every Democrat

They likely want to diminish anyone who can in anyway influence people to move against the conservatives.

This is a particularly nasty story (as the SBVT's were). The story is very likely to be false - March 2007 was when the Edwards told everyone the sad news on EE. As the baby was suppose to be born in December, that is when she and JRE would have had to be together. JRE is not Newt Gingrich, who could have done that. Given EE's health problems this story is unspeakably cruel.

I've had mixed feelings - thinking that the posts on this are adding to the problem - then thinking that at least in summary we need to know allegations being made, the better to counter them.

[madokie]

7. 'They pick up every negative piece of garbage on every Democrat' and run with it, facts be damned

In a fair and just world that organization would cease to exist, be shut down for the noise they make, the lies they spread.

[MrModerate]

2. From where I'm sitting (Brisbane, Australia) . . .

The Edwards story (I presume this is the "hiding in a stairwell" episode) briefly popped up and then sank beneath the sand. Local commentators (who take a fair amount of pleasure from American electoral follies) pretty much pooh-poohed it and went on to McCain whingeing about biased coverage (that got quite a laugh here too).

I take it Fox is flogging the story again?

[tsuki]

4. Fox and apparently, DU. nt

[disndat]

3. Good point.

"Faux noise" must be on to something. My thoughts exactly when I read the story of Edwards "love child" is being recycled, A strong indication that Edwards is on Obama's vp short list.

[comtec]

5. Lets pretend a moment this might be true....

it's only between JE and EE... and IF it were true, she probably knows and gave her consent.
She strikes me as a great and strong women who wants the best for her husband, and if that means action on the side, so be it. She knows where his heart truly lies, and that's enough.

GOD.. it's like something straight out of Honor Harrington!

Have we learned nothing from monica gate? who cares! THEY are NOT the party of "family values" so who cares! there's no hypocrisy, and really n story.

[Clark2008]

11. No intelligent woman is going to condone "action on the side."

:eyes:

[MsTryska]

13. Why not?

sometimes there are more important things to a marriage than who's shagging whom, how.

[KharmaTrain]

6. And Whose Talking About This Shit?

If it weren't for all the "concern" here on DU, I honestly would have no clue what this or even PUMA was about. They're surely not things I am seeing or hearing about in my real world. If its "resonating" then it's in an echo chamber that isn't being heard much beyond those who are part of it.

Their hopes are these stories somehow get attention...and thus they'll keep pumping them and hope someone bites. Bite into them if ou dare, but then consider yourself a part of the problem.

[RedShoes]

8. I think it's because he's the veep choice too. eom

[Clark2008]

9. Not defending Fox (they suck), but Edwards wasn't a great VP

candidate for Kerry. Why would anyone assume he would be for Obama?

[MsTryska]

14. because the Southern moderates

who skew republican, but are really populist love him. And considering the economy we have now, we need to tap into that populist streak.

[karynnj]

15. Then why did Kerry win all the states except SC and NC in that area in the

2004 primaries - many by hefty margins. Yet even I don'[t claim the Southern Democrats really loved John Kerry. What expertise does Edwards have in economics?

[MsTryska]

17. he doesn't....

but you must know by now it's not the issues that win elections these days.

[karynnj]

19. Then why Edwards?

He is less popular in the area you are concerned with than John Kerry and he has no real experience in economics - the issue you spoke of. Is there a Southern Governor or Senator likely to be better on economics - actually having put in programs and at least as popular?

Edwards did nothing that could be considered populist while in the Senate. Harkin (Iowa) did more. In fact, Kerry, who Edwards people rarely consider populist, was the person who pushed legislation for at least the last 8 years for an affordable Housing Fund - which was included as a provision in the big housing bill - this Congress Kerry and Snowe introduced it with 23 sponsors, he sponsored youthbuild a program that helps at risk youth get a trade as they complete high school for decades, he passed Small business legislation that helped people start businesses, and he sponsored the precursor to S-Chip with Kennedy.

[MsTryska]

20. less popular based on what?

Cuz the red-state moderates i know like him best - because he's a Southern boy like them. And doesn't take lobbyist money.

They know they don't want more Bush (aka McCain), but they sure as hell couldn't bring themselves to vote for Obama/Clinton. And i'm not even going to open the can of worms on why that would be.

i think in 2004 - Edwards had very little bearing on the dislike for Kerry that the swiftboating wrought.

[karynnj]

21. I am not arguing for Kerry as VP

My point is that even in spring 2004, you would have argued that red state moderates liked him the best - the fact is that he did not come close to winning the primaries in 2004 - even when in some cases it was Kerry or Edwards (or Kuchinich). This suggests that there are many southerns who are not Edwards fans - including the only NC person i know - not from political boards.

There are more choices than Clinton and Edwards.

[MsTryska]

22. Right - my point is that this isn't 2004

And there are a lot of moderates wantign to make a change.

I live in red-state georgia I'm dating a guy who has always voted republican. Altho he considers himself a moderate we discuss how he thinks as he does - and he helps explain the thinking i see with the other men around me. These guys are specifically, white men under 40, who consider themselves moderate.

the trouble is they all listen to talk radio as they drive around, so they soak in right-wing babble.

if you ask them one on one about the issues closest to their hearts however - they are populists. they care about working, and the economy and gas-prices, and education, and inflation. because many of them are military age as well, they are sick and tired of this war.


At the same time - because it's the South - a black man isn't going to win here with that particular demographic especially - unless he has "one of them" (meaning white and Southern) with him I don't think.

But I've been surprised by hard-core republicans who think obama is the best thing for this country. I was surprised to hear it from a guy i argue about the war with constantly. I almost thought it was a setup.

[Phred42]

10. Just Stupid on his part - Especially at this point in time

I voted for him

I still think he'd be a better President than Obama or great VP or a great AG

But this was stupid

[treestar]

12. O. ought to go with Richardson for VP

This is enough to sink Edwards. When he was running for Prez, they went on and on about Elizabeth's illness, too, and how it alone ought to get him to give up his presidential bid. That one is tough to argue against. Even if true, it is their business, but we know how the general public is.

[Cleita]

16. If Richardson starts rising as the VP choice, you can be sure

the RW propagandists will find a love child or worse to spread rumors about him. The MO is to create doubt. They don't care if the rumor is true because by the time it's discredited the damage will have been done. Look what they did to Kerry with their purple heart bandaids.

[librechik]

18. A National Enquirer reporter had Edward staked out & didn't have a camera?

Even in his cellphone? No videotape of the chase, or even the escort out of the building, escorted by security guards?

Please! Come back when you have better evidence.