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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 10:28 AM Original message |
In Defense of Lever Voting Machines |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. Couldn't agree more with this: |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. I like our old lever machines! nt |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I know very little about the system, but this sounds great: |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. it's kind of satisfying clicking pieces of metal into place |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. My concern with scanners is that you are counting with a computer that can easily be tampered with, |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. yeah, at least there's paper - but when I heard about the stuff in Florida in 2000 |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
4. This is an important read given all the disinfo about levers. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. This is very educational: |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Educational...and depressing. |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. Levers can be tampered with as well - personal experience. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Great story that underscores an important point. |
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Madrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. And I agree. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Michigan has TONS of paper ballots and NO audits. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Audiits MUSTbe required. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. stories like that make me think about how we need more volunteers |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. 1988 |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Was the machine investigated? |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. It was a shady ward moderator |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Thanks. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
54. Not to mention normal wear and tear |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
14. We've used these for 30 years, and they work -> |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. But those punch-cards are counted by computers. n/t |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Rep King: |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Got a video for you! It's awfully wonderful because it's wonderful...and awful, LOL! |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Thanks! |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Optical scanner. It is still a paper ballot |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. The optical scan ballots provide a paper trail, but |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. While some of that diagram may be true, the upper left portion is laughable |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Make a better one, then. --nt |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Obviously it would eleiminate "video gaming". |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
56. If you never audit your system, how the hell would you know? n/t |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
16. *shrugs* I always wrote an X on a piece of paper (nt) |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. From this article: |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. We use paper ballots here and they are counted right in front of me in a scanbox and the DEMS win. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. "right in front of me in a scanbox" |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. It counts them ... that's it. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Why bother with elections at all then? nt |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Why bother having a discussion with that poster? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. I don't see where I said you are a troll. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Because we won in 2006 and cleaned house for once, that somehow makes the paper voting bad? |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. In front of me in a "scanbox?" How do you know they are counted at all then? |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Blind faith?...like I just heard of Diebold and ESS? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. He's talking about the inherent insecurity of electronic voting and the lack of verified counts. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. PERFECT! |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
27. kick nt |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. 100% agreement on this...I was an Assistant Registrar of Voters. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. . |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
43. Tampering is easily discovered, and lever machines are not programmable |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
45. The paper ballot needs to be available for a recount. Each precinct |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
47. Our county had a completely botched election due to poorly set up lever machines |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The first link says, "Misaligned levers on machines kept some people from voting." |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Leon County now has just over 150,000 registered voters |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-27-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I think I see. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. While many counties in Florida have election problems, Leon does not |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
57. I still like scanning with mandatory auditing |
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