Do you think the PUMA folks will be able to create...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

...serious problems for Obama's campaign?

And secondly, do you think Senator Clinton should publicly express disapproval of what these people are doing?

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Hillary Clinton supporters have been criticizing Barack Obama with increasing frequency as the senator's trip overseas captured media attention bordering on adulation.

A political action committee named PUMA, or People United Means Action, has devoted itself to the continued support of Clinton and in an announcement on its blog called Obama's trip 'a flop' and an 'ego trip'. Alternatively, PUMA also means Party Unity My Ass.

The entry continued in a tone directed at Obama supporters:

"Your guy can’t even make a dent against an old guy who hasn’t even begun to campaign against you in earnest. You’re losing during the warm-up?" . . .

Source: http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Hillary_supporters_still_angry_frustrate_attempts_0727.html

[Radical Activist]

1. Why haven't we heard Hillary make a public statement about this?

Odd.

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[sellitman]

11. Practice what you preach.

Fuck the hate, fuck the haters

[MonkeyFunk]

15. I'm pointing out the double standard

Why is Clinton expected to denounce people she's not affiliated with?

[earth mom]

42. Wow that's a really loving statement there. NOT.

:eyes:

[sellitman]

46. I was quoting the signature of the poster.

That was his signature. The post got Removed. I won't call out the member because that is against DU rules but he replied to the same post of mine you did.

[Radical Activist]

13. His supporters are likable enough

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Most of them, yes

Just as most of Clinton's supporters are.

But only Clinton is expected to denounce those who aren't.

[Beacool]

19. Hear, hear!!!!

:eyes:

[Radical Activist]

20. You mean like the Gore endorsement speech

when he shushed those who booed Hillary and then praised her and her supporters? There's been no shortage of efforts by Obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. And she's been a strong supporter of Obama

Why do people insist she denounce every fringe nutcase that has a website? It's a ridiculous demand, and if you're going to demand that, why not demand that Obama denounce every single supporter of his who's a dick?

[glowing]

14. I would assume she will soon.. She has said that he's sending her out

in August to campaign for him.. so, hopefully, this group becomes more and more irrelavant.

This is not a time to mess around and let McCain fuck this country even more..

Seems to me the PUMA's are stepfordish types that are a little more well off.. they do not care about their sister's who are dying under the current administrations policies.. the single mother who can't afford daycare, energy, and food... the one's who are receiving less pay and more work.. the one's who work without healthcare and cannot afford to go to a Dr. if they are sick... They are more selfish in my eyes..

My pick didn't make it either; I have not denounced the party and decided to act like a jerk.. I'm actively engaging young people and registering them to vote and to show them what their registration card will look like, tell them about elections info, and tell them a little about each party so they can decide which party they may like to sign with or go with no party affiliation (and explain that means they would not be able to vote in primaries for specific candidates).

It is a tragic, tragic thing to see our children leaving highschool with no idea how to register to vote or what it means as a civic duty to pay attention and at least vote.

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[BlooInBloo]

36. Because she and her supporters are playing for Clinton 2012. Duh.

[MicaelS]

2. Once again Democrats

Are ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. :mad:

[Flabbergasted]

3. The longer the election goes on the more irrelevent they become.

They should be ignored by Clinton.

[gateley]

4. Hillary has stated strongly that she is backing Obama and that

she expects/wants her supporters to do the same.

She can't be held responsible for the fringe crowd, any more than Obama can be held responsible for his followers who are extreme.

[driver8]

5. My sister in law is a big PUMA supporter.

We got in a big argument last weekend when she started harping on Obama.

This shit pisses me off.

We've got a chance to get rid of the rethuglicans and they are pulling this crap.

[gateley]

23. A question about your sister-in-law --

Do you think she's racist? I have a suspicion that many of the vocal opponents to Obama, who seem unable to present valid arguments against him, are harboring a (probably unacknowledged to themselves) fear of having a Black president. Just curious - I could be wrong, but there is just SO much hatred against him that I don't see directed toward others.

[driver8]

29. Nope -- not racist at all.

She feels that the media gave Obama a free pass and that they were unfair to Hillary because she is a woman.

It is a constant argument that we have.

[gateley]

32. Well that shoots down my theory -- but I'm actually glad I'm wrong.

Thanks for answering!

[ebayfool]

35. Maybe not all is racist in origin, but I think a great deal of it is.

I followed a link to a site frequented by current & banned DUers claims it's a Hil booster site, but in reality is more of a fearful - yet obsessed - anti Obama site.

The titillation & claimed disgust for 'maybe' seeing the outline of his penis on a CNN clip had them in absolute vapors ... along w/a "Mandingo Man" reference. Sorry, but these people ARE racists. They just can't bring themselves to step fully over the line & admit it, so they hide behind Clinton for cover.

I was thoroughly pissed off at some of the primary tactics by the Clinton campaign, but most of the PUMA & Capitol Hill whackadoodles aren't hers nor are they her honest supporters. They seem , IMO, to be useful idiots for the GOP forces while doing Clinton no small measure of harm.

btw
I haven't seen, heard or read that kind of juvenile tittering @ a penis since grade school. Mature, old-school feminists my ass!
http://capitalhillforum.com/topic/479198/1/

[supernova]

7. They'll keep it up til the convention

and his official nomination.

However, I do wish Hillary would publicly disavow these insane people. Her silence gives the appearance that she approves of their actions.

[EFerrari]

10. On the other hand, by ignoring them, she denies them public attention.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. No it doesn't

There are thousands of things YOU don't condemn daily - does it mean you approve of them?

[billyoc]

8. Here's a nickel, PUMA, buy yourself a better acronym.

Or just divide the 5 cents amongst yourselves. I don't know what you'll do with the extra 2 cents.

[Bluebear]

9. Clinton has strongly endorsed Obama. Why blame her for some loony cultish followers?

:popcorn:

[iamthebandfanman]

12. i really wish

wed stop giving these republicans in sheeps clothing any face time on DU.

[Beacool]

21. There I disagree, they are not Republicans.

They just, for various reasons of their own, chose not to back the nominee. Misguided as that may be to some, it's their right. If Hillary had been the nominee there probably would have been groups equivalent to the PUMAs who wouldn't support her. That's what you get in a democracy, not everyone is going to toe the party line. I say, live and let live.

:shrug:

[quickesst]

25. Many of the more....

animated Obama fans like to pretend that if the election had turned out differently, they would have, to a person, got behind HRC, and that groups akin to PUMA would be just unthinkable. Repeating what I have said before, Clinton hatred is an addiction, and the efforts to feed that addiction go so far as to use proxies to express that hatred, even though all are aware that these groups will have no effect on the outcome of the election. Most of the pubicity these groups have is due to their critics whining and mewling, name calling, and of course, the motivation behind it, hatred of anything Clinton being vocalized. Their mistake is not limiting their criticism to the groups themselves, but to HRC too, who in no way, endorses these groups, and has thrown her support to Obama. When the hatred they feel dominates the criticism of said groups, many are too "busy" to realize they are alienating those Clinton supporters who have decided to vote for Obama. Clinton hatred, for some, takes clear precedence over electing a Democrat in November. Much sadder than PUMA. Thanks.
quickesst

[Beacool]

30. Yep, the end of the primaries has not changed much at all.

Cruise the LW blogs and there are still plenty of haters. They still bash Hillary and Bill at every opportunity. Instead of treating her as an opponent of their chosen candidate, they acted as if she were the enemy. Frankly, the RW blogs treated her better for their own reasons. As much as they dislike the Clintons, they fear and abhor Obama. It was disheartening to see during the primary season how most of the hate came from the left. I still will not go to KOS and only on occasion will I check Huff. Ditto for MSNBC, I stopped watching that network months ago. Tweety, his tingling leg and his network, can go to hell.

Read the visceral reaction by some at the suggestion that she would be a good choice for VP. Heck, the woman is qualified to be president, let alone VP, but that hasn't stopped the attacks. Some party leaders (read Pelosi, Kennedy, Carter, etc.) have not even bothered to pretend to consider the possibility of a joint ticket. They don't seem to realize that the more they trash her, the more they alienate those of her supporters who have chosen to take a wait and see attitude about this election.

[iamthebandfanman]

33. you both are sad

just keep making excuses for dumbshit people why dont cha.

sure, its their right to think and do as they please... but we dont have to post something on DU everytime they do.
they are anti our nominee. that alone should warrent no face time on DU.


i personally would have supported hillary if she had won, contrary to any assumptions youd like to present as fact...

fortunately, most of us have the good sense to know the cause is bigger than just one battle, one primary, or one candidate.

its truely sad that people like the pumas would go against their own self interests in an attempt to prove some sort of point...whatever that may be.

guess its a good thing they are small, weak, and full of republicans trying to take advantage of a situation.

[Beacool]

34. I didn't start this thread or any of the other "PUMA" threads.

Just saying............

[iamthebandfanman]

48. being an apologist

to it is just as bad.

you didnt start the war in iraq either....

im just sayin'

[Marrah_G]

47. I agree, those who start omgpumapersonsaid threads are dumbasses

[HughMoran]

18. Since nobody will say what "PUMA" stands for, I can't comment

:P

[DiscussTed]

22. PUMA...

People United My Ass!

Nice. Real nice.

I don't know any "PUMAs" personally, at least I don't think I do. I hope I don't.

I would like to know what their motivation is and try to understand their perspective is.

Specifically, would they really like to see Senator McCain become President McCain?

If so, why?

[Beacool]

31. I think that it's "Party Unity My Ass". n/t

[HughMoran]

38. So it's those Republicans who supported Hillary to cause trouble

I got it now.

[Kaleko]

41. "I would like to know what their motivation is...

and try to understand their perspective"...

The most rabid Clinton supporters seem to be acting out like children in a psycho drama where they try to force the rest of us to be nice to them, coddle them by not expressing any criticism of their heroine, ever. It's an emotional blackmail ploy. And it really isn't about Hillary Clinton so much as it is about themselves, the little narcissists, throwing infantile temper tantrums to "get some respect" from their peers.

Total racket in my view. Simply ignore is what I do.


Oh, and welcome to the monkey house that is DU :hi:

[Flabbergasted]

24. If Clinton were to acknowledge PUMA she would advertise them giving them more power

than they already have. Also Clinton has no power over this group. If she did they would be supporting Obama right now.

One of the rules of politics is you only acknowledge a problem if you have to deal with or it helps you or your constituency in some way. Otherwise it doesn't exist.

[LostinVA]

37. Ha! Exactly what I said to my wife when I read this

[Gold Metal Flake]

28. PUMA = Republican PsyOps.

Got nothing to do with Hillary.

[DeepModem Mom]

39. "We oppose any effort that doesn't support a Democratic victory in the fall, including PUMA."

AOL News: Hillary Tells PUMA 'No Deal'
By Tommy Christopher
Jul 21st 2008

....On the heels of a week of reporting on PUMA, I contacted the Clinton campaign to examine some of the group's fundraising claims, and to ask if Senator Clinton was aware of, and supported their efforts....

***

Well, surely, Senator Clinton appreciates these groups' efforts on her behalf, right?

"We oppose any effort that doesn't support a Democratic victory in the fall, including PUMA."

Ouch! In my talks with various PUMA leaders, many of them have said, "Well, Hillary hasn't told me to stop." Well, she has now....

I had a brief chat with PUMA founder Will Bower. Actually, we talked for awhile. His reaction to the Clinton campaign's statement?...

On Hillary not supporting PUMA: "She's keeping her promise. We respect that and understand it, but we're voters and we have our own decisions to make."

So your loyalty to Hillary Clinton stops at the voting booth? - "At voting for Senator Obama."...

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/21/hillary-tells-puma-no-deal/

[newmajority]

40. The real problem is not the Pizza-eaters United for Moronic Assholery themselves

because their actual numbers are far too small to matter, when it comes to something like influencing election.

The real problem is that this illusion is being bankrolled by pharmaceutical companies, manipulated by CIA thugs, and promoted by the whore media.

We know that the Bush Crime Family really wants a violent display in Denver that makes Chicago 1968 look like a Mormon church picnic by comparison. The PUMAbots are handing them a convenient scapegoat.

And just as Chicago scared people into voting for Nixon, those responsible for this nightmare will push the Sheeple right into Camp McLoon.

It might be the only way he CAN win, so you bet you're ass they're going to try it. And the PUMAbots are making it a lot easier for them to get away with it.

[earth mom]

43. You guys are a riot!

Did you ever stop to think that this PUMA thing is people who just don't like Obama period?

Obama doesn't walk on water and sure as hell is NO rock star. Get a grip ya'll.

[cali]

44. um, I suggest you check out the on line gathering places for these

folks. Go to the Hillary Clinton Forum and you'll find true insanity, and adulation of Hillary that equals or tops anything you'll find directed toward Obama. You'll find flat out hate and ugly delusions: Obama isn't a U.S. citizen, Obama is the anti-Christ. Obama is a cocaine addict and secretly gay. Obama is a mass murderer.

Get a grip yourself.

[Marrah_G]

45. No and she has

However I do think they have been successful at creating drama on the internet and especially here on DU where a pitchfork and torch brigade is being formed.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

49. Kick for a larger sample.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

50. Kick for a larger sample.