OH MY GOD! The guy who shot people at that Tn church said he

[napi21]

did it because he was pi**ed off at the LIBERAL movement in general and expected to continue shooting people till the police arrived, and the police would probably kill him.

I know how often we all say the Pubs are hateful people, but dear God, I didn't think they were THIS INSANE!

I don't have a link. It's now a presser on CNN by the police in Tn.

[ulysses]

1. they were evidently trying to paint him as an atheist before.

[intheflow]

73. He could still be an atheist.

Just a conservative atheist. They exist--and sometimes they even exist in UU congregations. I had one RW asshole in a UU church tell me after 9-11 that everyone with an Arab last name should be rounded up and shipped out of the country. He never came to church services because he was an atheist, but he came for the discussion circles almost every Sunday before the service to spout his incredible stupidity to those of us who wanted to have intelligent, thoughtful conversations. :grr:

[Maat]

80. I never understand why those types show up to a UU church.

Luckily, none so far have shown up to our little UU "community," which is "sponsored" (helped) by the big, local UU churches.

Oh, my God! We call ourselves "TVUUC" also; we are on the other side of the country (www.temeculauus.org).

Thanks to the link, I'm now absorbing the story.

[intheflow]

118. I have a UU minister friend who doesn't understand

why atheists come to church, either. Not all atheists, but the ones that come in and want to argue with anyone who believes in any kind of spirituality. She says it's like people going to an art museum and getting angry that there are pictures on the walls!

[Maat]

119. I hear that!

I'm lucky there, however; the atheists in our little community still feel a little 'spiritual.' In fact, there are starting to call themselves 'agnostic.' We just focus on uniting on The Seven Principles, and have our little moment of prayer/contemplation/meditation every service. After attending a UU church/fellowship/community on an ongoing basis, it's been my observation that people relax a little, rid themselves of their absolutes, and just start to explore various belief systems. It's neat.

[EFerrari]

123. Because the argument is as close as they get to spirituality.

You have to want art a whole lot to go into a museum and throw yourself at walls.

:rofl:

[Liberal In Texas]

2. Sounds like a hate crime. Although that

won't make much difference to the dead and wounded.

Anybody know yet if he was a FR poster?

[crikkett]

14. ...as if it's a sports game, was the guy on the opposing team....

sheesh :eyes:

[Lost4words]

17. that is the only way our MSM sees things, apposing teams!

8643!

[crikkett]

23. That's no excuse to perpetuate the meme. The MSM is interested in

division and controversy, keeping us apart.

Like newlyweds who can't get anything done because they're arguing over the operation of toothpaste tubes and tp dispensers, do you get my point?

[Lost4words]

42. I saw your point prior to your explanation! I dont support MSM in any way!

of course it is WRONG!

:toast: 8643

[crikkett]

83. sorry to beat the dead horse

i was doing it for the rest of the viewers.

:toast:
Cheers!

[Liberal In Texas]

27. Yeah, I'm more than a little tired of turning everything into a kind of sporting event.

War, elections, business, religion...

[Lost4words]

48. They have forgotten how to report news, its all sports!!!

I blame the MSM for all things and Clinton (Spit on ground) had a chance to restore the Fairness in Broadcasting Act but sat on his DLC backside.

Media consolidation killed community broadcasting.

8643

[cliffordu]

57. I find it wildly ironic that the best newsman out there is an ex-sportscaster - KO.

[YOY]

28. They have been before.

and no one here has ever.

[ColbertWatcher]

109. The shooter may have seen it exactly that way. n/t

[michreject]

41. How would anyone know that?

How would you associate his real name to his screen name?

[cliffordu]

58. LIke the way the post office always sends the right mail to your house.

everything on the internet has an address....Finding anyone is a trivial past time.

[michreject]

67. And 6 people live at the same address

How can you link a name in the paper to a screen name?

[cliffordu]

72. When they get that much information, figuring out which of the 6 is using

what screen names is trivial.

Information on computer hard drives is there basically forever unless you destroy the hard drive or zero out the entire drive multiple times.

As soon as he registered and started posting - even using false information - the truth will out - did he use his compter to bank, or buy guns online?

There are other subtle things that give people away, too. Like the fact that we all like using similar or even exactly the same passwords in multiple places.

Email programs will give out everything you need to know about who is who on a computer - I got my welcome note and password confirmation from DU at my email address, as I recall. Maybe that was the phone company.


This shooter isn't smart enough to have covered his tracks to any degree. They'll figure out what and who he was any time now.

[Liberal In Texas]

79. Right, it won't be rocket science to figure out if he's been posting hate on the web.

The cops and the DA will probably be interested in this information. If it doesn't come out today, it probably will in the next few days.

[michreject]

82. How does that help ID someone

Just by reading their name in the newspaper, without having their computer. The poster wanted to know if the prson was a member of FR because the paper mentioned their name. With so little info, this is impossible. The owners of the site could because then have access to the users IP address.

[Liberal In Texas]

86. Since this is a murder investigation,

any and all of this information is available with a subpoena. It's even possible someone at FR could come clean about it, if so. (But I wouldn't hold my breath.)

[michreject]

98. We don't have the power of supoena

The poster wanted to know if the person was a member of FR. We as individuals cannot tell by just a name.

[Liberal In Texas]

114. What I'm saying is even if some of the more adept computer geeks around here

aren't able to figure it out, law enforcement probably will. But it will take a few days or even weeks.

Then beyond the criminal case against this nutjob, there are the civil suits that could be filed by the families against organizations that incited him. There is a lot of info that can be brought to light through discovery in a civil suit.

[michreject]

115. I agree with you..... I really do

BUT. You sitting at your computer cannot say a person belonged to a particular website based on their name.

[Liberal In Texas]

117. I think it would depend on the amount of evidence you could find

that would point to an individual. However, at this point that is all speculation about what evidence exists. I for one, will wait and see what law enforcement turns up.

Here is a somewhat related story. Danielle Allen was able to trace email spam to FR after doing some investigation ... sitting at her computer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062703781.html

[cliffordu]

88. Look. Information is not secure. Particularly on the internet. I used to work at a large

software company. If the security guys wanted to know anything about anyone I have absolutely no doubt that they could have tapped into any website anywhere in the world. This includes FR.


I've never met my real father. His name is bob smith. I found him in under a month online last year after I really started searching.

He doesn't have a computer, never has.

I knew his birth date and middle name.

His information was immediately available.

[michreject]

97. I know about Zaba and finding people

Using your father for emample, you couldn't check to see if he was a member of FR just by his name.

[cliffordu]

105. No, but my good friends at the Big Software Company could :~)

[stranger81]

3. Details from this morning's press conference

Points made during the press conference:

-KPD Chief Owen says the shooter acted alone, and based on a leter found after the shooting, the suspect was troubled by joblessness, and wanted to strike a blow at a "liberal movement."

-Owen: Shooter targeted Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church due to "recent publicity" the church had received regarding its "liberal stance" on things.

http://www.wbir.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=61360&catid=29&GID=JBP9L4sKntLOjRmU1chZ8oHKhrEk48Iht64Gpp+H+U8%3D

[Lost4words]

30. Confused old F*ker should have been shooting pukes/rove/dimson

but ignorant hate is ignorant!

Stinking southern Idiot! Dumb and Proud of it, he is I am sure.

Dont even get on my case re the southern comment, I was born in Atlanta GA and that makes me uniquely qualified to comment on my lifetime observations.

8643

[Kittycat]

31. Yes, because the "Liberal Movement" is to blame for his joblessness

:crazy:

[TahitiNut]

55. Irony Alert: "the shooter was disturbed because his food stamps were soon to be reduced"

Can anyone say 'cognitive dissonance'? (Sheesh!!) :puke:

http://www.wbir.com/news/breaking/story.aspx?storyid=61360&catid=29&GID=JBP9L4sKntLOjRmU1chZ8oHKhrEk48Iht64Gpp+H+U8%3D

[Lorien]

95. Two big words that lurking Freepers won't understand.

here Freeps: food stamps come from a program that was brought to us by liberals, so your boy was shooting up the very people who would have helped him to get enough food to live. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

[The Backlash Cometh]

104. No frick'n way!

[SammyWinstonJack]

106. Liberals giveth and CONservatives taketh away.

:evilgrin:

[Bonobo]

71. Time to haul Lou Dobb's ass in as an accessory to murder.

Fucker has been fanning flames for too long.

[Renew Deal]

75. Sounds like a terrorist.

:shrug:

[tblue37]

87. What a dumbass. It's the radical "conserative" administration that

has done so much damage to the economy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

113. These dumb bunny working class repugs never get that. If they'd stop listening

to their overpaid multi-millionaire hate radio entertainers and starting thinking for themselves, they just might get that. :silly: me.

[Junkdrawer]

4. Another proud graduate of the Rush Limbaugh School of Liberal Hate....

One wonders how many more students are ready to matriculate.

[malaise]

8. Bingo n/t

[JDPriestly]

116. Hate sells! Unfortunately. But love heals.

I read some of the comments at the end of the Knoxville newspaper story. As a UU, I am moved by the love shown by those who truly are Christian, who identify and empathize with the people of the Tennessee Valley UU congregation.

UU is not the only church that is perceived as "liberal" by right-wing fanatics, and indeed, it is not the only "liberal" church. Jesus taught his followers to be tolerant of those who are different than your "own kind,"(remember the story of the Good Samaritan? That is what it is really about.) and to "do unto others what you would have them do unto you." That is the liberal philosophy that most UUers try to practice as do most true Christians.

UUers focus more on trying to live a life that is good, trying to have good behavior, than what people believe or pretend to believe, what people profess. UUers accept everyone on the ground that they do not believe themselves qualified to pass judgment on others. I, personally, pass judgment on what people do, but I realize that only God can judge what a person feels in his or her heart, what that person really believes. Therefore, I pass judgment on this killer's conduct. I pass judgment on people's speech, manner and action, but I cannot know what they really do or do not believe.

UUers express their doubts openly and seek to be honest above all in their expressions of or questions about faith, their beliefs about God and life. Mother Teresa, as good a Christian as she was, was haunted by doubts about her faith, always seeking. In that, she shared a lot in common with UUers. UUers just do openly what she did in private.

[varun]

5. I blame right wing talk radio

I wont be surprised if he listened to Limbaugh and his hateful drivel against "Libruls"

[checks-n-balances]

89. RW politicians have opposed "Hate Crime" legislation - think about it

Because, if enacted, it would probably dilute & weaken the nutjob wing of the media - RW talk shows. The Corporatocracy/Theocracy indirectly depend on this propaganda venue as much as they do Faux or the other more mainstream ones.

Ever since the subject was broached after Matthew Shepherd's death, it has been dissed and even mocked by TV & radio RW mouthpieces ever since.

If they didn't, they might losed their mouthpieces who exist on the air to denounce and discredit all those they choose to call "libruls" (and worse names), so that people won't listen to progressive ideas. It's another way to say, "Pay no attention, folks, nothing to see. Move along."

[malaise]

6. They are this hateful and then some

Throw away the key. Stated hatred for the liberal movement - WTF!!!

[tjwash]

7. And the freeptards enjoy an immense circle jerk.

Hell, they'll probably build a shrine to this mother fucker.

[mmonk]

9. As I suspected.

[meegbear]

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[varun]

12. its being discussed live on CNN

[meegbear]

25. Thank you

[Lost4words]

13. This IS domestic Terrorism! IMO!

No different than a suicide bomber, just less efficient.

8643

[crikkett]

19. Yeah, if he was going to keep shooting until he was offed by cops,

that sounds like a very inefficient suicide bomber.

I wonder what stopped him, the real-live gore that's nothing like TV, or did the experimental ray pointed at his head get blocked by the building?

[stray cat]

26. Some people in the church overpowered him

A guy in the church was shot and killed while protecting people behind him.

[crikkett]

29. Oh yes I heard about that.

I was sick in bed with a fever yesterday, I missed out on a lot of detail because I had to watch TV news and I only get basic cable.

However, my CBS affiliate is running a thing on weather modification tonight. I was quite surprised to see the promo.

[Lost4words]

32. LOL, I didnt even consider the "ray" but you could be correct!

:rofl: 8643 :hi:

[crikkett]

84. I watched American Family Dad or whatever on Fox last night for the 1st time

Experimental beams were part of the plot -- one to project the image of the Christian God into people's heads and the other to turn women into lesbians.

Fox cartoons are over the top!!

[newmajority]

51. Oh don't be silly

Terraists are Muslamofascist brown people who worship Satan and hate America. And librul sodomites who want to have their queer weddings in our White Christian American churches.

This man, like Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph weren't no terraist. He's a God fearin' PATRIOT !!111!!!!!!!!!111!11!

:sarcasm: :puke:

[devilgrrl]

15. right-wing contempt for humanity ceases to amaze me.

they hate everything.

[charlie]

18. Yep

And nobody luuuurves "America" more than a winger. They just hate most everybody in it.

[Lost4words]

34. they really do, they are so filled with Hate they are terrorists plain and simple

and the rich versions of this guy are laughing at all of us, every day.

[dkf]

16. They said he was worried because he was going to lose his food stamps

Yeah, another wonderful Republican program I'm sure. And I guess he thinks the evil liberals were behind this cut?

[donco6]

21. Man, that guy was REALLY confused.

I wonder who he thinks started food stamps?

[Lost4words]

35. what a stupid man, kill the only ones on your side!

kill the ones who care. Ignorant fucker was taught to worship government authority. Yea Bush will help you out of your mess.

[BulletproofLandshark]

20. Wingnut lurkers, PAY ATTENTION

This is the ultimate result of your hatred and ignorance. If you think gays and liberals are more of a threat to the "American way" that right-wing terrorists who shoot people they don't agree with, then you're a sick motherfucker and you need to seek professional help.

[pampango]

22. Some neighbors also said he hated religion, too, so a liberal church was a "logical"

target in his demented mind.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3686473

[Lost4words]

40. Hatred can eat a person alive, it is a self feeding cycle of

anger and Hate, it kills the host prior to the host killing others. But it is pushed like cigarettes in this country in order to keep the masses distracted from the crimes of the administration and keep the electorate polarized. The Industrial War Complex wins again!

Time isnt money anymore, DEATH IS MONEY!

8643

[Pale Blue Dot]

49. I am suspicious of the neighbors.

They claimed he was a "good friend" but when they talked to reporters they could only remember anti-religious views. Somehow his anti-gay, anti-liberal views slipped their mind. Why is that?

[blueatheart]

63. maybe they agreed with those views

anti gay and such and of course only "observed" views they do not agree with.

[Duppers]

69. bingo! nt

It's a common theme in that part of the world.

[Duppers]

70. I was thinking the exact same thing

we know the answer.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

36. David Neiwert...

Has been warning us of this eventuality for years now. This might be the first overt act, but it certainly will not be the last. There are those out there, on the far right, who have guns, see liberals and progressives as traitors and feel that we must die for our beliefs and our "treason". They are open about it and some of them will act again. And again.

They get their marching orders every day, from radio, TV and the Internet.

[varun]

37. Not very different from Taliban

who want to impose their "morality" on the rest of the society

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

39. Not in the least.

But when you have radio squawking heads, and apparently benign websites like LiveLeak, where visiting death on liberals and progressives is discussed openly in comments, then you are gonna have this.

Rest assured, LiveLeak is a hotbed of this crap.

[napi21]

38. I actually HOPE this guy had something in his letter about listening to RW radio

hate mongers. Maybe THEN some authorities will pay attention to just how far you can go before your words are determined to be inciting a riot...which is a CRIME!

[charlie]

47. They won't

Clinton made the correlation after Oklahoma City and was smacked back into the box for impertinence. When public opinion is shaped by rightwing partisan media and split-the-difference-cuz-we're-fair MSM, an observation like that doesn't stand a chance.

[guitar man]

60. some of us liberals and progressives

...have guns too. And many of us have served in the military, so we know damn well how to use them effectively ;)

[cliffordu]

61. This is true.

:patriot:

[guitar man]

64. ;)

back atcha! :patriot:

[SteveM]

110. Hope people of this ilk do not try this on too many liberals...

...many of whom are armed.

[awoke_in_2003]

124. Wouldn't McVeigh be the first overt act? nt

[lonestarnot]

43. Was the lot full of cars with Obama bumper stickers on them?

Nut jobs abound.

[FloridaJudy]

50. Probably

It was a UU church, after all.

[ehrnst]

77. Obama stickers, rainbow stickers, and Priuses abound in UU parking lots.

[awoke_in_2003]

126. Probably had a latte machine

in the lobby, too :)

[guitar man]

44. arm yourselves

I hope and pray this is just an isolated incident and not the tip of a large iceberg of violence against liberals and progressicves. Nonetheless, if they are going to start targeting us, it's best to be able to shoot back IMO.

[NightHawk63]

56. Amen to that.

Their ship is crashing fast and I won't be surprised to see more lunacy like this.

[ehrnst]

74. I'm a UU, and this was in our bulletin on Sun:

Fear is the cheapest / room in the house.
I’d like to see you / in better living conditions.
– Hafiz

The sermon was in part about how authorities use fear to manipulate certain segments of society. And fear makes populations susceptable to false realities set forth by those in control.

I will not live in fear. I will not live my life in defensive, survivalist mode.

[SteveM]

111. I am armed and I agree with you (nt)

[crikkett]

85. Wild west shootouts will stop gun violence to be sure.

NOT!!!!

[guitar man]

90. I didn't say they would

I'd love it if we could all just hold hands and sing kumbaya right now, but, every day, 24/7, the airwaves are filled with AM Radio "hosts" and Fox Noise jocks who are telling people like this guy that we are enemies of this country, the embodiment of evil and the cause of every problem that their audience faces.

Now, I sincerely hope and pray this was an isolated incident and not the start of a trend among these whackjobs. But, with the economy going down the toilet, it wouldn't surprise me to see more of this. In the meantime, I'm going to be vigilant.

Not only am I a liberal, I also have a liberal wife and a 2 year old daughter whose safety I am responsible for. I have the firepower available and the USMC did a great job of teaching me how to use it, so in the extremely unlikely event one of these whackjobs comes after me, my family or my friends and I have the chance to clear leather, the headlines are going to read a bit differently.

Now, if your choice in the same situation is to sit there and be shot, I respect that, it's your choice after all.

[ehrnst]

100. I think that there's a middle ground between "having firepower" and "sit there and be shot"

I have some extensive self defense training, and one thing I was taught that if someone has a pistol, they're usually only thinking from the wrist down. You can use that to your advantage.

I was also taught that weapons you wield can sometimes be used against you, by a previously unarmed attacker.

I would not underestimate a well trained unarmed attackee.

[crikkett]

108. I hear you and I understand. I went to Quantico.

I learned a few very important things there, the most important being that if I ever find myself in an urban combat situation, and I try to do anything other than disappear into the floor, I'm toast. Period. And so is just about anyone else, unless they're very lucky.

Now you may be some testosterone-laden superman with incredible reflexes and a kevlar vest, but I know and accept certain limitations to my person, like my very thin skin.

It's not typical for people sitting in a church to be ready and capable of handling a surprise attack.

[ehrnst]

101. I agree

The shooter surprised everyone.

YES - services,especially UU services *are* about people sitting around holding hands singing kumbaya. And no, we're not going to accepts firearms into our sacred, beloved community.

Even if that guy who blocked the bullets had been armed, with a loaded, ready to fire weapon in reach, could he have saved any more lives than he did, including his own?

I remember a nutcase opening fire on a jewish daycare center some years back. And while I support adequate, appropriate security measures, I don't think anyone would advocate arming daycare providers.

[Paco Rabinowitz]

45. Absolutely horrible.

:(

[ulysses]

46. no one seems to be reporting it on the web yet.

What are the odds? :eyes:

[varun]

92. Police Say Church Gunman Hated Liberals

http://news.aol.com/article/police-say-church-gunman-hated-liberals/102408

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (July 28) -- An unemployed man accused of opening fire with a shotgun and killing two people at a Unitarian church apparently targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal social policies, police said Monday...

[FloridaJudy]

52. CNN reports

"Bail was set at one million dollars"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/28/church.shooting/?iref=mpstoryview

Much as I don't think this seriously deranged individual could come up with a million, or even 100 thousand for a bail-bond, I have to ask WTF was the judge thinking? I thought bail was for people who were neither a flight risk, nor likely to commit another crime pending trial. This guy is obviously several chips short of a boot: let him loose and all bets are off.

[guruoo]

53. Link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3688600

[librechik]

54. He's still alive--let's ask him if he listens to Rush.

and did what Rush suggested all the dittoheads should do.

[YOY]

68. He'll be wisked away just like Chad Constanza or whatever his name was

Dissapear into the mists of the judicial system for private trial somewhere or some other BS.

[redqueen]

99. Marc Costanza... precious little mention of him in the "news". Or Tyler Froatz either, I imagine.

[seabeyond]

59. yesterday i read the church he picked. the most liberal of christian churches

i heard that it was cause he was anti religion. and thought why he picked the most loving and accepting of churches. reality is just anti liberal.

and the hate and divisiveness created by the right

[Canuckistanian]

62. The church had recently put out a sign welcoming gays

Just heard on Thom Hartmann's show.

[raccoon]

66. I'd bet that's why the POS targeted that church. nt

[ehrnst]

78. Our UU church flies a huge rainbow flag outside

to let G/L/B/T folks know that they are welcome. We're in a DC suburb with a prominent congressman in our congregation.

I wonder if the church in TN did the same. I can't imagine there are many places of worship in Knoxville that openly welcome G/L/B/T

[uppityperson]

65. k&r for we libruls

[Vincardog]

76. But thank Bjesus there has not been a TERRArist attack here since gasp 911

[ellie]

81. Maybe he will

get some conservative republican justice. Does TN have the death penalty?

[ehrnst]

102. The UU position on the death penalty in TN:

http://www.uua.org/socialjustice/issues/deathpenalty/37919.shtml

[checks-n-balances]

91. NOTICE: Recent RW meme BLAMES Dems for THIS economy!!!

They’ve been sneaking in that talking point a lot recently, so it was just a matter of time before something like this happened. RWers (including politicians) not only refuse to take responsibility for their horrible policies and actions, they’re also completely irresponsible in using totally false talking points like that. It not only works for them at the voting booth, but also in the streets later on.

When the economy gets bad enough to send average people into the streets, their scapegoating of Dems, progressives & liberals will pay off by diverting the anger - that they deserve - onto someone else. Then it’ll be just another “mission accomplished.”

If anyone you know personally spouts this nonsense, try reminding them who's been in charge since 2001. If that doesn't work, why not ask, "So I assume you agree with the shooter at that church in TN..."

[Lorien]

96. That's why the repugs allowed Dems to win the house by a few seats

they knew how big the mess they made was, and they needed a few scapegoats.

[samsingh]

93. he's a typical repug schooled in hate by coulter the witch and

fat rove and moron limbucket

all fucking treasonous assholes who enabled this murderous lunatic.

[Cleita]

94. I wouldn't doubt it.

Haven't RW and religious talk radio hosts told their audiences that liberals should be killed or die horrible deaths, or that God should smite the dead? I don't remember any of our liberal talk show hosts voicing those kind of sentiments.

[The Backlash Cometh]

103. Newsflash: I've been trying to tell you all that they're this insane.

[SoCalDem]

107. When conservatives get "askeerd", they get guns and kill people

Not syaing much for their brand of "compassionate conservatism", is it?

Look back to most of the recent assassinations..liberals dead..rightwing nutsos are usually the shooters..

:(

Reason , tolerance, & intelligence are no match for an idiot with a gun, sometimes:(

[SteveM]

112. Love the picture; but she's not blonde...

You are correct that reason, tolerance & intelligence are no match for an idiot with a gun, sometimes.

That's why I exercise reason, tolerance, intelligence. And keep a gun handy.

BTW, no one ever accused Malcolm X of being a liberal.

[Rex]

120. This is what the RW pushes, they want their flock to kill progressives

and as many as possible. Ann, Rush, Sean, Bill, Glenn, etc... the list is endless. All the people I listed, would LOVE to see liberals burned at the stake. LOVE to.

[EFerrari]

121. Exactly. It's the farm team for domestic terrorists.

When was the last time a killer like this was caught with a DFA sticker on their bumper?

Never.

Congrats, freepers. You have the corner on the domestic homicide trade. You must be so proud!

[iamthebandfanman]

122. I hope he gets LIFE

i stick by my no death penalty stance. even for scum like him.

id rather him have to deal with inmates and no freedom the rest of his life.

[ColbertWatcher]

125. I agree.

I also am against the DP, we can punish people without having to adopt their tactics.