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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:37 AM
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Poll question: If a legally binding contract, forbidding you from EVER earning more than minimum wage,
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 10:38 AM by Boojatta
but ensuring that the human rights of the citizens of Burma would be in future protected by the government of Burma and likewise for North Korea, China, and Saudi Arabia, were available for you to sign, then would you sign the contract?

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:41 AM
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1. No. My family would starve.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:44 AM
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2. Literally starve?
There are people in the world who are forbidden to work where they are resident and who are fed by a UN agency and/or relatives and/or private charitable organizations.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:50 AM
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5. You're not making sense.
Minimum wage wouldn't feed or house my family, so no, I wouldn't do it. It's hypothetical anyway. I contribute as much as I can to charitable organizations, but I'm not going to put my family at the poverty level to do so. If that makes me a bad liberal, so be it.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:45 AM
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3. No
It's a pointless hypothetical, but even if it could actually happen, I wouldn't do it. I'm willing to go out of my way to help people in need and who are being oppressed, and I've done so in the past, but I'm not going to reduce my family to poverty to do so.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:46 AM
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4. Will people know that I signed this contract?
If the right kind of people find out that my acceptance of a permanent minimum wage solved the human rights crises in those countries, they might find ways to make my life very comfortable without violating the terms of the contract I signed.

If I expect that kind of dynamic to develop, it makes my decision much easier than if I'll be required to labor on in anonymity.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:01 AM
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8. Or you could win the lottery and then marry a young, world-famous movie star.
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 11:02 AM by Boojatta
I think that you're basically trying to change the hypothetical. If there is a stream of gifts to you from grateful foreigners who someone know or for some reason believe that you are somehow enabling their rights to be protected rather than violated by their governments -- while you labor for minimum wage -- then you are in effect getting paid more than minimum wage.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:56 AM
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6. Sacrificing the right to prosper so so others may do so?
I might do it if you said "Enforced Human rights EVERYWHERE," but as it stands, your offer is pointless.

4 nations that could ship their bad behavior somewhere else- The US already did that.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:00 AM
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7. Another senseless poll
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:01 AM
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9. Maybe, but I would immediately issue a signing statement afterwards.
:eyes:
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:04 AM
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11. I'm out of the news loop. Did GWB offer to accept minimum wage
instead of his regular government paycheck?
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:02 AM
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10. I wouldn't sign anything without reading it first.
Do you have a copy of the contract that I can read?
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:08 AM
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12. No
I have an obligation to provide for my children, I could not do so earning minimum wage.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:27 AM
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13. Is there some kind of point to all these hypothetical polls?
What exactly is it you're trying to prove or disprove?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:40 AM
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14. that depends- do i also get tips as part of my compensation package?
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 11:40 AM by QuestionAll
btw- why would the human rights of other countries be a part of my salary negotiations...? i didn't realize i was so important. :shrug:

but with that kind of power, it would be silly for me to accept minimum wage.

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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:41 AM
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15. not sure of the real point illustrated by this all-but-impossible hypothetical situation
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 11:42 AM by enki23
but if it were somehow possible, and i could be reasonably (and rationally) certain it would function as worded, it would be wrong (given the set of situational ethics i tend to hold) *not* to sign it.

and if my family were ever in danger of going hungry because of it, i would obtain, or simply take the food we needed by any means necessary. same goes for medical care. any means, within reason (eg. short of mass murder, which would require another far-fetched hypothetical.)
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