Rightwing Terrorist attacks TN church

[NJmaverick]

That is how this story should be reported

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_on_re_us/church_shooting

[nam78_two]

1. Agree completely.nt

[Vickers]

2. "Rightwing Terrorist Attacks TN Church: Rightwing Hate Radio to Blame?"

:thumbsup:

[redqueen]

36. There ya go!

:applause:

[JanMichael]

3. Agreed. nt

[GreenInNC]

4. I wonder if I would be that brave

I have always wondered if I would be as brave as the hero in this story. To place yourself in the line of fire as he did to save other people is the ultimate service to your fellow humans.

The great uncle who i was named after died in WW 2 and was awarded the Silver Star for bravery and sometimes I wonder what it would be like in that situation.

[stray cat]

9. I know what you mean - I'm not sure that I would

[jwirr]

5. McKendry = A true hero, a liberal and a Christian. nt

[intheflow]

8. Where did you read McKendry was a Christian?

Just asking b/c so many in UU churches aren't Christian, and I'd hate to do the good man a disservice by hailing him as a hero on one hand and perhaps even offending his beliefs on the other.

[jwirr]

11. Are you saying that UU is not a Christian Church? Usually people

who do the work in our churches are the true believers. I am just assuming that is the case with a man who is willing to lay down his life for another.

[Duppers]

18. Wow! What an assumption!

So, an atheist could not lay down his life for others?????!!!!!!

You don't know much about the UU churches, do ya?


edited for typo

[kestrel91316]

20. UU is not "christian". They are nondenominational.

He could have been pagan or Jewish or an atheist and still belong to UU and lay his life down for others.

News flash: Christians do NOT have a monopoly on altruism.

[jwirr]

23. You guys are doing a good job of undermining Obama's claim to

be a Christian - he belongs to UU. As to an atheist laying down his life - of course they could - how many atheists do you know who attend churches? I do not know any - my friends who are atheist would not.

[fifthoffive]

26. Did Obama land in a UU fellowship

after leaving Trinity United Church of Christ?

[JerseygirlCT]

30. No. I don't think he's going to join a new church until the campaign

is over - time constraints and the pressure it would bring on the church would be tough.

But I think people confuse the UUs with the UCC and that's what's happened in this little sub-thread!

[JerseygirlCT]

29. Nope. He belongs to the UCC - United Church of Christ

Different church altogether, although one with a long history of liberalism.

[kestrel91316]

32. Nothing about belonging to UU says someone ISN'T also a Christian.

UU itself is not a Christian denomination.

Seriously, you need to do less typing and more READING.
http://www.uua.org/visitors/beliefswithin/index.shtml
"......Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion that encompasses many faith traditions. Unitarian Universalists include people who identify as Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, and others. As there is no official Unitarian Universalist creed, Unitarian Universalists are free to search for truth on many paths......"

And when the hell did I ever say he had to be a Christian in order to lay his life down???

Remedial reading lessons are in order. Please.

[kestrel91316]

33. AND FURTHERMORE:

You have got me really ticked off now.......Obama is NOT a member of UU. He was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ. That makes him a Christian.

About United Church of Christ:
http://www.ucc.org/beliefs/statement-of-faith.html
United Church of Christ Statement of Faith—original version

We believe in God, the Eternal Spirit, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father, and to his deeds we testify:

He calls the worlds into being, creates man in his own image and sets before him the ways of life and death.

He seeks in holy love to save all people from aimlessness and sin.

He judges men and nations by his righteous will declared through prophets and apostles.

In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Lord,he has come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the world to himself.

He bestows upon us his Holy Spirit, creating and renewing the church of Jesus Christ, binding in covenant faithful people of all ages, tongues, and races.

He calls us into his church to accept the cost and joy of discipleship, to be his servants in the service of men, to proclaim the gospel to all the world and resist the powers of evil, to share in Christ's baptism and eat at his table, to join him in his passion and victory.

He promises to all who trust him forgiveness of sins and fullness of grace, courage in the struggle for justice and peace, his presence in trial and rejoicing, and eternal life in his kingdom which has no end.

Blessing and honor, glory and power be unto him.

Amen.

United Church of Christ Statement of Faith—adapted by Robert V. Moss

We believe in God, the Eternal Spirit, who is made known to us in Jesus our brother, and to whose deeds we testify:

God calls the worlds into being, creates humankind in the divine image, and sets before us the ways of life and death.

God seeks in holy love to save all people from aimlessness and sin.

God judges all humanity and all nations by that will of righteousness declared through prophets and apostles.

In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Lord,God has come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the whole creation to its Creator.

God bestows upon us the Holy Spirit, creating and renewing the church of Jesus Christ, binding in covenant faithful people of all ages, tongues, and races.

God calls us into the church to accept the cost and joy of discipleship, to be servants in the service of the whole human family, to proclaim the gospel to all the world and resist the powers of evil, to share in Christ's baptism and eat at his table,to join him in his passion and victory.

God promises to all who trust in the gospel forgiveness of sins and fullness of grace, courage in the struggle for justice and peace,the presence of the Holy Spirit in trial and rejoicing, and eternal life in that kingdom which has no end.

Blessing and honor, glory and power be unto God.

Amen.

United Church of Christ Statement of Faith in the form of a doxology

We believe in you, O God, Eternal Spirit, God of our Savior Jesus Christ and our God, and to your deeds we testify:

You call the worlds into being, create persons in your own image,and set before each one the ways of life and death.

You seek in holy love to save all people from aimlessness and sin.

You judge people and nations by your righteous will declared through prophets and apostles.

In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Savior, you have come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the world to yourself.

You bestow upon us your Holy Spirit, creating and renewing the church of Jesus Christ, binding in covenant faithful people of all ages, tongues, and races.

You call us into your church to accept the cost and joy of discipleship, to be your servants in the service of others, to proclaim the gospel to all the world and resist the powers of evil,to share in Christ's baptism and eat at his table, to join him in his passion and victory.

You promise to all who trust you forgiveness of sins and fullness of grace, courage in the struggle for justice and peace, your presence in trial and rejoicing, and eternal life in your realm which has no end.

Blessing and honor, glory and power be unto you.

Amen.

[intheflow]

34. There are UU ministers who are atheists.

Rev. Bradford Greeley: http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist/religios.htm

Rev. Darcey Laine: http://www.uucpa.org/sermons_02-03/sermon020310.html

Student Minister Jeff Liebman: http://uujeff.blogspot.com/2007/12/reclaiming-words.html

...to name just a few. I have met two or three other UU atheist ministers 20-odd years I've been a UU, and probably upward of 100 atheist congregational members.

[LiberalEsto]

37. I know lots of atheist UUs who go to church

Being a Unitarian Universalist does not mean that you have to believe in God - that's left up to individuals to decide.

People who go to UU church services go because they want to be informed, uplifted, comforted, inspired, encouraged, challenged, and many other reasons.

They don't go because they're afraid to go to hell if they don't. They don't go in order to be reminded of what miserable sinners they are.

Whether that brave man who tried to protect the other members of his congregation was an atheist or not is irrelevant. What he did was amazing and beautiful.

[Duppers]

38. Wow, again. You're showing your ignorance.

There are atheistic DU members who attend UU 'churches'!

My friend down in Knoxville who organized the Knoxville atheist Meet-Up group goes to this Knoxville 'church'!!!

[intheflow]

27. Yes, I'm saying the UU denomination is not Christian.

I'm not Chrisitan, but I have my Masters of Divinity to become a UU minister, so I think I'm pretty qualified to state that categorically.

Also, Obama is not a UU and never has been. The church he attended was Trinity UCC, a United Church of Christ church, the denomination that the UUs split off from in 1825 in disagreement about the validity of the trinity. (Hence the name Unitarians, as opposed to Trinitarians.)

Edited to add:

Buddhist monks who burn themselves to protest war aren't Christians so they couldn't be selfless?
Gandhi wasn't a Christian, how the hell did he ever get involved with freeing India from imperialist rule?
And of course if you want to get right down to it, Jesus wasn't a Christian either. Who'd a thunk a nice Jewish boy would lay down his life to save others?
:eyes:

[JerseygirlCT]

28. You do not have to be a Christian to be a part of a UU church at all

The denomination has people from all belief systems, and atheists, too.

Though there are often many Christians in a given congregation, there's no requirement of that - it's not really a Christian denomination at all.

[Peregrine Took]

6. And why aren't we hearing more about this in the media? What radio talkers

did he listen to in his truck and who would get him all "worked up" on a regular basis? I think we know and they won't be there to help him now that his butt is sitting in jail.

They are living in million dollar gated communities and wouldn't lift their leg to piss on him.

[SpiralHawk]

10. "Smirk." - Draft-dodging republicon-chickenhawk homelander propaganda corps

[Clark2008]

13. We are here, locally.

Use Bug-me-not if you can't get in, but try reading www.knoxnews.com

[dflprincess]

7. I wonder if he's on the watch list?

That would be interesting to know.

[NJmaverick]

16. Not a chance in hell

He probably loves the commander and thief.

[dflprincess]

21. I'm sure you're right.

A neocon nut would not be considered a threat, but a kindred spirit.

[Quantess]

19. I would money against it. (no text)

[AntiFascist]

31. Probably not, the watch list seems to be reserved for ME-Americans, Muslims and liberals n/t

[lazyriver]

12. I agree with your headline.

This guy is a terrorist by any definition of the word used in the U.S. media today. He is also clearly a right wing nut job. To call him anything less than a fundamentalist Christian right wing terrorist is euphemism and irresponsible journalism...but I am not surprised.

Bush and friends would be bombing every Muslim country on earth if the terrorist did this in a fundie church and said it was because that church's teachings went against Islam. You could bank on it.

[unpossibles]

14. and it's sad and ironic that his economic situation was compounded if not created by his voting

and that of others like him.

Sad, sad, sad. He's on food stamps but likely railed against welfare and blamed liberals for all of the problems which were more likely caused by the very Republicans he voted for.

[Duppers]

15. Exactly! Here's CNN's headline...

"Shooting suspect angry over job, cop says"

Yeah, that explains the motive for his target clearly, doesn't it!

They never seem to report what wingers do with any integrity.

[zbdent]

17. Isn't the RW the one which chooses to let everybody (well, except

the "inner city" urbans) have a gun, despite any bright red blinking warning flags? It's their "right" ...

and the prevalence of guns makes it easy for someone to get one ... especially at gun shows ...

[benEzra]

39. Not so much, IMO.

The right gives lip service to gun rights, but as a group, I don't think they are particularly comfortable with the "little people," at least those who aren't RW, owning guns. Arch-right-winger William J. Bennett was the architect of the original Federal "assault weapon" bait-and-switch, for example, and look at the Bush Administration/Alberto "No Habeus Corpus" Gonzales asking Congress for the power to summarily deny gun ownership to anyone the administration secretly blacklists (environmentalists, anti-war protesters, Muslims...). Even among Dems, the whole gun-ban crusade in the '90s through '04 was the obsession of the corporatist DLC, not liberals.

Most gun control in the United States originated with the Right, in order to keep guns out of the hands of "undesirables." And the Brady Campaign is a repub organization, after all.

The Conservative Roots of U.S. Gun Control

[baldguy]

22. Michael Savage & Glenn Beck must be thrilled.

[NJmaverick]

25. Probably they are some of the leaders of this terrorist movement

[slackmaster]

24. Fair enough

:hi:

[redqueen]

35. Darn right!

But the M$M would never tell the truth about right-wing terrorists.