Freeper denial or insanity (or both) re: The Knoxville church shooter

[marmar]

To: Amelia
Yeah buddy...they find an armed white guy that goes on a shooting in a liberal church and all kids of agendas can be stroked.



7 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:14:44 AM by CindyDawg
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To: Lx
No way!



8 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:15:28 AM by CindyDawg
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To: rface
Maltheist gone wild.



9 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:16:20 AM by messierhunter
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To: rface
The MSM is hoping that they have found an angy white guy, mad at liberals and mad at his Christian upbringing which provoked him to do this.
They will spin it like that and is what evoked this and all should be wary of similar people or of raising their kids in a similar manner.


10 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:18:32 AM by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Amelia
someone is not telling the truth<P.perhaps it’s too early to know who is lying - but I bet the woman at the video is a God loving “truther”



11 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:21:24 AM by rface
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To: JRochelle
Are Universalist Unitarians even Christian?



12 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:21:44 AM by Comparative Advantage
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To: JRochelle
Of course that's how they'll paint it. He did pick a liberal chuch to shoot up, randomly or not, so no matter his true motives for wanting to shoot up a church in the first place, the liberal media will paint him as an evil fundamentalist christian, even though he's really a radical maltheist. Here's what one article said that caught my eye:

The FBI was assisting in case the shooting turned out be a hate crime, Police Chief Sterling Owen said. Police said they would hold a news conference Monday morning. The church promotes progressive social work, including advocacy of women and gay rights. The Knoxville congregation also has provided sanctuary for political refugees, fed the homeless and founded a chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, according to its Web site.

It's only a "hate crime" if they can successfully paint it as an attack on a church for being liberal, it's not a "hate crime" if it's an attack on a church for believing in God. This is how godless, souless liberals operate when dealing "justice." The 1 million dollar bond is their version of giving him the benefit of a doubt that he only did it to kill evil God believers.

13 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 10:25:20 AM by messierhunter
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To: rface
“aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”


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[Mike Daniels]

1. Messierhunter (post 13) has to be hating life right now

"It's only a "hate crime" if they can successfully paint it as an attack on a church for being liberal"...

I wonder if he's heard about the shooter's manifesto. Doesn't look like the law/press has to "paint" anything now since the shooter's motive is now public.

[petronius]

2. What's a "maltheist"? Is it mal-theist (bad god believer?), or something to do with Malthus?

:shrug:

[KitchenWitch]

5. I have the same question.

Is Malthiest even a word?

[fl410]

15. Sure, it's the most Malthy person in the world!

hahaha

[Monk06]

6. Wiki has a decent historical overview on this topic. I've never heard the term either.

It turns out to be a recent invention (1985)by
Christians regarding various branches of skepticism
eg Agnosticism, Deism, etc.

It is not a religious movement in its own right but
a characterization of someone's religious belief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltheist

[petronius]

14. Thanks - although it sounds like those freepers aren't being quite as thoughtful

as that wiki page would imply. I'm guessing they're just using a cool-sounding word as a generic insult towards people who don't worship the way they do...

[Monk06]

17. To FReepers if you ain't a fundamentalist protestant or a Benny 16 catholic you're a God hater n/t

[Popol Vuh]

3. "the liberal media will paint him as an evil fundamentalist christian"

Liberal media? Where?

Oh, you mean the one that constantly played on air the proceedings and progress of Bill Clinton's impeachment over lying about a blow-job and the utter black-out over the congressional proceedings about impeaching Bushler for numerous serious crimes? Oh yeah, that liberal media.

Fucking idiots....

[kestrel91316]

4. ".........This is how godless, souless liberals operate....."

If calling us "soulless" isn't the ultimate in dehumanization, I don't know what is. And THIS is how they can then feel justified in exterminating liberals: we are not actually human.

[Marr]

7. And *still* they play the victim.

One of their own true-believers goes out and literally murders people for being "liberals", and STILL these fools play the victim.

I once heard a psychologist talking about hate groups. He said that at the core of every hate group is an irrational victim mentality. They always view themselves as besieged, and so their violent acts are always justified. He said you find this line of thinking in every hate group, from the Nazis to the KKK. Doesn't matter how irrational it is. They always see themselves as the victims.

[nam78_two]

12. I think you hit the nail on the head.nt

[Fuzz]

8. Here's more:

Although it makes sense that he hated liberals since that is what he attacked, I do not necessarily believe that story. I noticed the police chief did not quote the note just gave his interpretation of it.

I would love to see exactly what he said.
9 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 1:29:47 PM by yarddog



Could be a liberal disguised as a conservative in order to give conservatives a bad rap.

Loonies!

10 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 1:33:32 PM by Ben Reyes



Are liberals now a protected class or is it because these Unitarians are “gay-friendly” that this is a hate crime?

Being pc requires so much twisting and turning. If you’re a conservative, you can just say “execute murderers” and you’ve covered every contingency. This guy’s a murderer, period. Execute him.

5 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 1:24:06 PM by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)




“...and this nut can’t be blamed on a leftist ideology. Nuts come in all flavors, and some of them are going to have loony ideas on all sides.”

Psst. Fred “God hate f**s” Phelps is a Democrat and no conservative.

Not claiming that this man is a Phelpist, just pointing out that there are Leftists (like Phelps’ cult who protest the Iraq war weekly) who hold hate in their heart that seems to be hand in hand with this man’s actions.

Additionally there are those social conservative Democrats who “cling to guns and religion” and vote against such ballot initiatives and liberal candidates “in spite of their own economic self-interest”.

21 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 1:44:13 PM by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)



Unfortunate situation. This man was obviously at one time considered to have much potential. You don’t get into army airborne by being some kind of nut. Sounds like the story of many ex military, just went overboard instead of somewhat meshing with society. Their are many cases out there just like this waiting to explode, and it seems like this “churches” if that what you want to call it, message tipped him over the edge. These types of “churches” to me are using the word only for tax purposes, because they absolutely teach nothing like any of the churches I grew up around. Then again, maybe I’m a nut too. I guess I just need to get with it, and start embracing homosexuality, gay marriage, and killing little babies!!

23 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 1:46:30 PM by cla62



The Left has been subverting churches for decades now.

Now they don’t even teach hate the sin but love the sinner. They teach the concept of an evolving bible where we now deny that some things even are sins and celebrate them instead.

I’ve left corrupt church leadership but have not left my faith. There are good churches out there, so I hear. But it requires investigation. Investigation too into any national church leadership they are members of.

I don’t know what can be done to put churches back on a biblical path. Elders and the like. Elections. What is the limtus test to get people in the organized church who are counter to the politics of those who’ve gained control of the church?

27 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 1:52:51 PM by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)




Could be a liberal disguised as a conservative in order to give conservatives a bad rap.

That’s a theory that could be plausible. Maybe he’s really a liberal and wanted to end his life and make conservatives look bad. That would explain why someone who hates religion would attack a liberal church.

35 posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 2:13:43 PM by FFranco

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[nam78_two]

11. What awful people.nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

18. Wow.......just, wow

"Unfortunate situation. This man was obviously at one time considered to have much potential. You don’t get into army airborne by being some kind of nut. Sounds like the story of many ex military, just went overboard instead of somewhat meshing with society. Their are many cases out there just like this waiting to explode, and it seems like this “churches” if that what you want to call it, message tipped him over the edge. These types of “churches” to me are using the word only for tax purposes, because they absolutely teach nothing like any of the churches I grew up around. Then again, maybe I’m a nut too. I guess I just need to get with it, and start embracing homosexuality, gay marriage, and killing little babies!!"

These people really are frightening.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. Exactly how many outsiders have gone into a 'church for believing in God' and murdered innocent

people? There have been a few. Of these reported killings within churches, some were members of the congregation and others were there 'looking' for somebody they knew.

December 9, 2007: A lone gunman, Matthew Murray, killed 4 people in two shootings in Colorado Springs, CO. - home-schooled Christian thrown out of missionary school.

August 12, 2007: A lone gunman, Eiken Elam Saimon, opened fire in a Missouri Micronesian church, killing a pastor and two other churchgoers.

May 20, 2007: A standoff between police and a suspect in the shootings of three people in a Moscow, Idaho, Presbyterian Church ended with three dead, including one police officer. - shots were mainly fired from the church into the Courthouse across the street

Although not at a church building, the Oct. 2, 2006, attack in Lancaster County, Pa., by a gunman who killed five girls and then himself at an Amish school targeted a religious site.

May 21, 2006: Louisiana. Four were killed by a man at Jesus Christ Church. Shooter, Anthony Bell, killed his wife. Her mother was pastor of the church.

Feb. 26, 2006: Michigan. Two people were killed at Zion Hope Missionary Baptist Church by a man who reportedly went to the church looking for his girlfriend. He later killed himself.

April 9, 2005: A 27-year-old airman died after being shot at a church in College Park, Ga., where he had once worked as a security guard. The airman was killed by police after acting strangely and ranting on a Saturday evening. World Changers Church International with 23,000 worshippers is headed by Creflo Dollar.

March 12, 2005: A man walked into the services of the Living Church of God in Milwaukee and open fired immediately, killing seven people. - Quote from Wikipedia, "Church member Terry Ratzmann opened fire at a Living Church of God weekly Sabbath service near Milwaukee, Wisconsin and killed seven people, wounding four others, and then shooting and killing himself.<12> The incident brought the church into the international and national media spotlight. Various religious-based sources that research cults, sects, and other non-mainstream Christian religious movements have stated the shootings were linked to the church's teachings, while others caution it may not have been."

Oct. 5, 2003: A woman opened fire in Turner Monumental AME church in Kirkwood, east of Atlanta, killing the pastor and two others. - A recent mental patient, Shelia W. Chaney Wilson, shot and killed the pastor, her own mother, and then herself.

Sept. 16, 1999: Seven young people were killed when a man opened fire during a prayer service for teen-agers at the Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas. Shooter was Larry Ashbrook, a mentally disturbed individual, living in squalid conditions. He reportedly shouted anti-religious, anti-Baptist curses as he fired.

[nam78_two]

10. Denial is not a river in Egypt.nt

[varun]

13. There's hardly any discussion on this issue in Freepville

only a few posts...

Maybe this guy (the killer in the UU church) was one of their won...

hmmm....

[onethatcares]

16. if you don't have to be "some kind of a nut to get into airborne training"

as cla62 says, what do you have to be?