If you are a little disturbed by Porter Goss being appointed to co-chair

[EFerrari]

the Office of Congressional Ethics, take a minute and contact Waxman, chair of Oversight and Government Reform.

Here's my weekend thread which has links re Goss's long history of criminality beginning as far back as before the Bay of Pigs. The links in the thread have sources more than the OP -- including lala's piece at #19.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3682068



And here's the contact form for Mr. Waxman:

http://oversight.house.gov/contact/

I don't know what Nancy is doing appointing one of Poppy's hitmen to the Ethics Office. But you have to know, his appointment will have consequences for Congressional Democrats down the line -- and that's apart from the fact that Porter Goss totes a career of crime against the constitution.

This will probably sink like a stone but, fwiw.

[Cleita]

1. Let's hope this doesn't sink. n/t

[blue52power]

25. Count me in

What were they thinking?

[babylonsister]

2. Recommend from me. nt

[EFerrari]

11. Thank you, babylonsister.

:loveya:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. it takes a thief? Naw. it can't be that simple.

NO, they have something on nancy, and continue to threaten to use it.

Imagine if San Fran decides enough is enough, and kicks her out.

[Parche]

4. With That I Am Appointing John Wilkes Booth In Charge Of Security At Ford's Theater

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :woohoo: :hi:

[EFerrari]

6. I love you guys so much. It's been hard to express in English

just how horrible this appointment is.

:hi:

[NBachers]

86. or Orlando Bosch in charge of airline safety at the FAA

He is, after all, one of Goss's old-time road-dogs. He's right here in the USA. This campaign season hasn't seen any plane wrecks yet, but they're trying.

[EFerrari]

98. Exactly. And I thought Ron Paul was a goner but maybe

he's not worth a whole plane to them.

[90-percent]

5. Analologies

Kinda like if Hitler survived WW2 and went to the middle East to help set up the state of Isreal.

Pelosi would be suicided within 24 hours if she announced "Impeachment is back on the table". Nancy, a benefit to being a made member of the BFEE is that you can commit treason and nobody even notices.

-90% Jimmy

[MuseRider]

7. Your last statement.

Nailed it. This is MORE than a little disturbing however I think many of us are not surprised that she did it just how proudly and openly she did it. No more (wo)man behind the curtain. They are all on stage with their pants off.

[mod mom]

85. There is no way they intend to hand over power to the Dems in November.

They have kkkarl working behind the scenes to produce a miraculous surprise ending.

[Beam Me Up]

8. Terrorists in charge of security, criminals in charge of justice,

why not a hit-man in charge of ethics? Makes complete sense to me. /sarcasm/

K&R

[EFerrari]

13. This is a little different than what we're used to, though, isn't it?

It's not little bush appointing a criminal and Democrats signing off. It's much more active.

Attacking Nancy isn't the important part. The important part is to ask, what the HELL is going on here?

I don't know what she has on her hands. But it's clear that this appointment is inappropriate as well as potentially dangerous as it will leave Congressional Democrats open to blackmail from one of Poppy's longtime insiders -- one who has shown there is NOTHING he will not do. This man is a sociopath and he's being put in an oversight position regarding Congressional ethics?!

:wtf:

[trof]

9. I sent an email to Pelosi days ago.

Haven't received an answer yet.
Gee.
:shrug:

[EFerrari]

10. I give up on Nancy and that's why I'm suggesting Henry Waxman.

This is the work his committee is supposed to do.

:shrug:

[trof]

24. Worth a try. Thanks.

[Kaleko]

69. Yeah, I've just sent a letter to Waxman. Strongly worded, of course.

We're in such deep shit. Officially promoted corruption is eating this nation alive. God, how I hate these bigoted parasites! Words fail.

[EFerrari]

70. I don't know what else to do but keeping putting what we know

in their faces.

Yes, we are in deep doo.

And thanks for mailing him, regardless. Really.

[Kaleko]

72. Thanks for staying sane, SFE. You are a force for good.

:hug: And I always enjoy your posts.

[EFerrari]

74. Thank you so much, Kaleko.

We hang in there, right? :)

[Kaleko]

75. Yeah, we hang in

... except when we go down in flames




That's alright too. I'm not afraid of strong feelings. Just don't want to have them all the frickin' time :)

[robinlynne]

12. SF You Rock!

[spanone]

14. i'm disturbed

[EFerrari]

16. I was trying to be polite and just in case this was one of those very rare

occasions where I'm over-reacting.

lol

[spanone]

37. it only reinforces my fears that there is little or no difference between the parties

sometimes it's like us against them and they are our party

[EFerrari]

42. Imho, it's not the parties. It's the power brokers that have to be tapped

by any party.

We are the party.

[bbgrunt]

15. this is more than horrifying. It is time for a third party.

[EFerrari]

17. It doesn't matter how many parties there are if there is no accountability

in any of them. (And, until lately, I was a registered Green.)

More party choices do give us more leverage but, at bottom, this is about us navigating the communications channels until we make an impact with a concern no matter what our registration is.

I hope you contact Waxman. :)

[bbgrunt]

27. I already have. But, like theories about

monopoly and competition, as long as there is duopoly party control there will be abuses so I won't hold my breath regarding accountability or response to popular pressure.

[valerief]

18. Scandinavia. Move to Scandinavia. What else is left? nt

[Solly Mack]

19. Just a tad. K&R. Thanks!!

[EFerrari]

20. Solly Mack, will you help me with this thread for a little while?

I've got a bug and am fixing to walk my poor puppy who thinks I've lost it because her walk is hours late.

:)

[Solly Mack]

21. Go walk the patient puppy

and I'll do some kicking from time to time

[EFerrari]

32. Gone for a little while. TY very much, Solly Mack.

:loveya:

[tbyg52]

22. K,R,&done. nt

[Vanje]

23. I sent my views to the excellent Rep. Waxman. Please join me.

Also a big rec for this thread.

[Solly Mack]

30. TY, sheeptramp

I was as polite as I could be on the subject of Porter Goss and ethics lumped together.

[kentuck]

26. Porter Goss was probably the Chairman of the House Intel Committee...

when Nancy was told the facts about a lot of the criminal activities and she did not have the guts or the instincts to recognize that it was criminal and against the laws of our Constitution? Now she wants him there as a character witness, would be my guess?

[EFerrari]

29. I believe you are exactly right.

:(

[chill_wind]

63. He was. And he blocked some key investigations -- Abu Ghraib, Chalabi, to name just two

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/aug/13/usa.suzannegoldenberg

This reeks of a massive Congressional CYA.

Bush/Cheney's rump Pentagon stovepipe told him what to feed the Committee. Then he got promoted (rubberstamped by Congress) into even greater power-- and Bush lapdog Roberts eventually takes his place, insuring the stone-walling and coverup of the Busholini deeds is kept intact.

The corruption from the top reaches way down.

This has a very deliberate feel of "Gentleman, we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly all hang separately."

"History will not absolve us."

Leaked Red Cross report sets up Bush team for international war-crimes trial
Nat Hentoff
Tuesday, August 21st 2007

http://www.villagevoice.com/2007-08-21/news/history-will-not-absolve-us/

Ever last one of them have staffers who can read international and US newspapers. They know they cannnot be absolved.

War crimes, Madame Chair Pelosi. WAR CRIMES.

[KoKo]

87. I think you are onto it. Why else would she put him in there knowing she's slapping the face

of Democratic Activists who worked to get more Dems in House and Senate? The ones who put Dean in as head of DNC and who are working for Obama?

After watching that snip of her on "The View" I finally concluded based on that "performance" and others where she giggles and preens and in general seems to be what might be unflatteringly called a "bubble head"...that Nancy is a "figurehead" and the true Speaker of the House is either Steney Hoyer or Rahm Emmanuel...or maybe both in tandem working with the Repug "Minority." There is no way that she is the real Speaker...given the way she presents herself. And, if she thinks she is, then she's even worse than her "bubble headed cluelessness" seems to suggest. She's a willing tool and her silliness is all an act.

[mmonk]

28. I consider Waxman one of them.

Nobody can turn a deaf ear like he can.

[EFerrari]

116. That may be true. But I want to burden him with the knowledge

that his neglect is not unnoted.

[depakid]

31. Business as usual from the 9%ers

It takes hard work to achieve public approval rating that are even lower than Bush's.

[screembloodymurder]

33. Done.

K & R.

[wildbilln864]

34. Here's an old pic Daniel Hopsicker dug up...

link :hi:

[EFerrari]

43. Great link. Thank you.

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

76. you're welcome.

also, here's one of his recent lectures. :hi:

[wildbilln864]

118. It seems that Mr. Hopsicker....

was the only one to go to where Atta and his buddy lived to interview their friends and associates, and neighbors. Also Atta's girlfriend. Strangely, the FBI didn't follow basic leads. :shrug:

[KoKo]

91. I was hoping someone would post that Pic....It was all over DU in the

days when we used to do a lot of "investigations" of the "Connections" in this Criminal Enterprise that's now our Government. That photo says it all...doesn't it. :puke:

[wildbilln864]

95. Indeed it does.

Someone should give a copy to Ms. Pelosi, IMHO. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

108. On another thread, I called it our government's mug shot

for the last forty years.

[CoffeeCat]

35. They're all in on the fix...

Isn't it obvious, by now?

We all wonder what is going on and why these horrendous "mistakes" are happening.

They're not mistakes.

The neocon Dems and the neocon Reps are all in on the fix. They're shredding our Constitution
and turning our government into some Fascist playground.

How much more evidence do we need?

How many more times do we need to wonder why the Dems are spineless and making these awful missteps???

It's deliberate. Nancy Pelosi is a grown up. She knows what she's doing.

By now, they're all blackmailed into submission and they've all profited off of the corruption.

Our nation is gone. Slowly, they'll roll out the truth to us--as they make it clear that they can
do anything to us and they WILL---detain us indefinitely, deny our right to a fair trial, wiretap our
phones, read our mail, declare us "enemy combatants" for speaking out against the government or protesting
their crimes, etc. etc.

All of the actors, staging and props are in place behind the curtain.

Now--we enter the phase where the curtain is slowly lifted.

Nice knowing you, America. Welcome to America 2.0.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

68. TwoSparkles, you nailed it. ...n/t

[pleah]

36. K&R Done and thanks for the information!

:hi:

[hisownpetard]

38. K&R. I wrote to Waxman, too. Is there nothing that can be done to stop Pelosi

from continuing to sell out by making wrong decisions, unjustified pronouncements and unconscionable choices?

[EFerrari]

44. I don't know.

:(

[redqueen]

39. A little kick before leaving...

:kick:

[dmr]

40. Thank you. I'll write and call

:kick:

Of all people Pelosi could choose, why Porter Goss? Why? I'd just as soon not appoint anyone to this new board.

The assault and insult to anything and anyone honorable is just not worth it.

This is 'change' we don't need or want.

[EFerrari]

59. Thank you, dmr.

[lob1]

41. I emailed Waxman, but i hold out no hope it'll do any good.

Waxman is my congressman and I had high hopes for him. So far he's done absolutely nothing. All his investigations have quietly disappeared.

[EFerrari]

45. At very least we can let him know we're paying attention.

Thank you for emailing him, lob1.

[Greyhound]

46. Just another outrage from the representatives of the parasite class. n/t

[Duppers]

47. done. nt

nt

[yellerpup]

48. Done.

Thanks for the heads up. :kick: K&R!

[Kermitt Gribble]

49. It's getting to the point

where there's not much reason to keep supporting the Dems. It truly seems there is only one corpo-fascist party.

[EFerrari]

51. Imho, we are the party. There are some power brokers at the top

that need to be re-educated or sent to rehab or something.

[truedelphi]

50. Are you sure that you got your story straight, SFex??

Perhaps the problem is this - you are thinking of the OTHER Porter Goss, the one who was involved in many secret events from the Bay of Pigs on up.

Is it not possible that Feinstein is thinking of the ethically correct and prestigiously inspired Porter Goss of these renovations to her mansion in the Presidio??
http://tinyurl.com/5dyk5u

I know your bathroom isn't quite up to par when compared to the one listed above, (I mean whose bathroom is?) but must you snipe at this poor man?? His taste is exquisite, and his evil ways are all in the past, the past I tell you.

He is now simply into design, fixtures, and prestige. Not death, fomenting assasination plots, and
punishment akin to torture.

At this point in time, Goss is simply planning on helping Di get on the best dressed list, and he plans on achieving that in a most ethical manner, my dear.

Which is why Di is giving him the tip top post of ethical-ness in all our land!

[EFerrari]

52. It may be that the fine points of powder room decor and illegal torture programs

are just beyond my scope.

You may have a point there.

If that's true, and if Henry Waxman also shares a remodeling fetish and a tolerance for Iran Contra drug running and torture in contravention of US and internatinal law, he'll just ignore us.

lol

:hi:

[truedelphi]

66. Everything I have learned about recent politics has come from consuming rather

Delicate grades of hashish, :smoke: combined with the watching of Zoolander 382 times while dining on pomegranates, lemon water and experiencing the uplift of the shiatsu massage.

You probably don't realize the significance of Versace's death yet, do you??

And yes, there are some fears (in some quarters) that Waxman might be in on it. Right up to the floral 'kerchief in his lapel pocket!!

But it's not too late for people like you to make a difference. We just have to help you figure out the proper disguise so that we can get you in on the next party of importance at the next Di Fi mansion of spy gatherings!

[EFerrari]

67. I draw the line at undercover pantyhose.

:rofl:

[truedelphi]

106. No problemo. Those of us in the know simply bop into

Nordstrom's and request the herbal moisturizing spray for legs.

It comes in the same colors as panty hose, and if you get the mildly catnip-ped flavor, your kitties will treat you nicely for a week!

[panader0]

53. Thanks for the link expat

I put in my two cents worth.

[EFerrari]

54. Thank you, very much. n/t

[jeff30997]

55. "This will probably sink like a stone "

Hum,I think we're experiencing a very low gravity level right now.:)

Great post.K&R of course!:toast:

[EFerrari]

57. (The alternative would be me being reaalllllllly wrong and that never happens.)

lol

Thank you, neighbor. :toast:

[PufPuf23]

56. I count 300,000,000 million plus more Americans

qualified than Porter Goss.

I cannot comprehend the depths of Pelosi.

[EFerrari]

58. Why would anyone put someone who has been covering up for Poppy

since the 60s to the OFFICE OF CONGRESSIONAL ETHICS?

:shrug:

[file83]

107. They are corrupted through and through.

Just a hunch.

Great thread by the way, sfexpat2000!

[EFerrari]

109. DU is pretty great.

:)

[EFerrari]

60. One last kick. Thank you all for stepping up!

:kick:

[Daveenla]

61. Not Sure if any one has seen this but I was FLOORED BY...

This story and the pic below:

http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/04/porter-goss-barry-seal.html


SCROLL to the bottom....It is Goss with some drug runner Barry Seal and Cuban assassins in Mexico City.

[EFerrari]

62. Porter Goss has a history that should floor anyone.

The group is the CIA project, Operation 40.

[Judi Lynn]

111. You wouldn't want to have to shake hands with someone like that.

I heard that Operation 40 was a hit team.

There's a list somewhere of who the major names are in that group, and they are damned bloody people. From assassinations for Operation Condor, etc. all the way to Iran/Contra and god only knows what else. Felix Rodriguez is the drunk lying on the stage, and he's a personal friend of _{George H. W. Bush's} who was with the CIA people who killed Che Guevara in Bolivia, and then stripped the watch from his dead wrist which was given to him by his father upon graduation. Rodriguez keeps it, and is more than proud to show it to everyone in South Florida.

Barry Seal, murdered with emphasis. The guy with his coat over his face is well known, too.

Porter Goss is a criminal who is lucky to have found friends in government who are criminals, too.

[EFerrari]

113. The Wiki link (below) has a run down. Not people you normally associate

with ethics in government:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_40

[Irishonly]

64. Just saw this

A little late but I wrote

[EFerrari]

65. Thank you, Irishonly. It's not late at all.

You're ahead of the whole corporate media!

lol

:hi:

[Oilwellian]

71. I wrote him yesterday after reading about it in another thread

Also called Pelosi's office to let them know there are many paying close attention to her bizarre leadership.

[EFerrari]

73. Thank you for following up.

Imho, we have to let them know we're paying attention.

But if any of you have a better / different idea, let's hear it.

peace,

Beth

[vanboggie]

77. Hey Nancy

You know that book of yours that was just released - "Know your Power: A Message to America's Daughters"? We won't be buying a copy. You see, my daughter has integrity. She's a good person and wouldn't sell her soul to get to the top. I know, but you have to understand that when she was growing there was still an illusion of a free country of, by and for the people. So no thanks, Nancy. Oh, and thanks for handing her future over to the neo-cons. You've done such a super job. Hey, did you get to kiss Cheney's ring and everything?

[Loudmxr]

78. NO NO NO Not Him!! Read what Valerie Plame said about Porter Goss

Mr. Goss militarized, secratized, and eviseratedatized the CIA. He was the worst. He took a clandestine organization. and killed half the clan. Well not KILLED them but took their kilts spanked them and drove them away.

Once he was gone she wrote that a lot of the old faces came back only working as independant contractors just in case they had to leave government work quickly again.
B-)

[KoKo]

89. Do you have a link? That's pretty devastating coming from Plame...

but it would fit with what we've known about Goss and Sfexpat's information in the links.

[Norrin Radd]

79. kr

[pjt7]

80. I am very new to the Democratic side, but

couldn't moveon kill this appointment?

Don't they have a few million active members, that are capable of effective campaigns/actions?

[EFerrari]

84. Everyone is so focused on the presidential election, this appointment

went right under the radar.

[KoKo]

93. Even the "liberal bloggers"

mentioned it but without comment. At some point watching this new Dem Congress either the "fear factor" kicks in...or one just doesn't know what else to say about each new shocking thing coming from our Dems in Congress. One just goes numb...or realizes that it's bigger than anything anyone can do about it. Better just to keep "snipping around the edges" to keep one's sanity or a new media movement going than to dig too deeply.

[peacetalksforall]

81. The man is so criminal that it probably shows how criminal our leaders are.

Our meaning Democrat.

Are our leaders Republicans with a different label who are excellent actors?

He has sailed through a life of crime and now he gets to play ethics?

Are we getting very close to learning that we've been had?

That they are all criminals?

That is the true message here. Thanks, Nancy, for something so blatant that we can all wake up and know who you are?

[peacetalksforall]

82. It's like asking Kissinger to co-chair the ethics role. Or Cheney himself..

[EFerrari]

110. Remember they tried to put Kissinger on the 9/11 commission?

This is even worse. Goss has been at it even longer than Henry has.

[mod mom]

83. Nancy Pelosi was on TDS last night. Unfortunately Jon lobbed softballs to her. I wished

he would have asked about this appointment as well as her reason to oppose impeachment of *.

I couldn't believe it-she got a warm welcome from the audience. I thought if she appeared before a DU (read: well informed) audience, the response would be greatly different.

[KoKo]

88. Thanks for doing this, sfexpat. I'll give a K&R...for your trying to

get attention focused on this. Sadly, I can't contact Waxman...because I have no faith in him anymore than I do with Conyers at this point. Investigations that go nowhere. No hearings on Sibel Edmonds' information...and little follow up on subpoenas.

[EFerrari]

90. I'll take it, thank you.

:)

[helderheid]

92. rec 113

[EFerrari]

99. Isn't it great? I'm amazed , too, because Mondays usually don't draw

for action type threads.

(Thanks!)

[helderheid]

115. YOU rock!

:yourock:

[me b zola]

94. Checking in to take action

:grr:

[EFerrari]

105. Thanks, me b zola.

And I know, :grr:

[cyberpj]

96. What the hell is it that BushCo keeps holding over Pelosi's head? She's a MASSIVE tool now. nt

[EFerrari]

97. It must be huge.

:shrug:

[reprehensor]

100. Bam.

Great idea.

[Autonomy]

101. Hitmen are people, too!

and deserve cushy jobs controlling the destiny of many!

/sarcasm

Sorry, had to get that out of my system.

[EFerrari]

104. LOL!

:)

[tularetom]

102. I just got back in the house

As usual you are right on. I have contacted Rep Waxman's office by email and I will try to get through by phone this afternoon.

What is going on in Pelosi's mind? Is she that removed from her constituency?

[EFerrari]

103. I'm glad you're back! This is more worrisome than any Bush appointment

imho. She can't not know what this guy is and she describes him as an "expert outsider"? I guess when you break every possible law you can get your hands on, that does make you an expert.

[happydreams]

112. K&R! Real nice work.

[katty]

114. know all about Porter - can't believe she appointed HIM

[Solly Mack]

117. kicking

[LWolf]

119. KICK. nt