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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:39 PM
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Let's give "Blue Dogs" the boot By Glenn Greenwald
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 09:41 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/29/blue_dogs_die/



Let's give "Blue Dogs" the boot
Pushing conservative Democrats out of Congress could help the party stand up to the GOP.

Editor's note: Read Ed Kilgore's response here.

By Glenn Greenwald



July 29, 2008 | In American politics, exceedingly few positions generate overwhelming agreement across the ideological spectrum. Even propositions that ought to be uncontroversial -- such as whether there is scientific evidence for evolution or whether Saddam Hussein personally planned the 9/11 attacks -- produce sizable portions of the citizenry lined up on each side. One notable exception to this rule is the issue of whether the current U.S. Congress is doing a poor job. That question produces a remarkable consensus that is close to unanimous.

Earlier this month, Rasmussen Reports announced the humiliating finding that "the percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits <9 percent> for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history." That extremely negative view of Congress cuts across partisan and ideological lines, as only small percentages of Democrats (13 percent), Republicans (8 percent) and independents (3 percent) believe that Congress is doing an "excellent" or even a "good" job. Perhaps most remarkable, some polls -- such as one from Fox News last month -- reveal that the Democratic-led Congress is actually more unpopular among Democrats than among Republicans, with 23 percent of Republicans approving of Congress compared with only 18 percent of Democrats. One would be hard-pressed to find a time in modern American history, if such a time exists at all, when a Congress was more unpopular among the party that controls it than among voters from the opposition party.

That a Democratic Congress is so deeply unpopular even among Democrats may be historically unusual, but it is hardly surprising or difficult to understand. On key issue after key issue, it is the Bush White House and Republican caucus that have received virtually everything they wanted from Congress, while the base of the Democratic Party has received virtually nothing other than disappointment and an overt repudiation of its agenda. Since the American people gave them control of Congress, the Democrats in Congress have given the country the following:


Unlimited and unconditional funding for the Iraq war. Vast new warrantless eavesdropping powers and retroactive amnesty for their telecom donors -- measures the administration tried, but failed, to obtain from the GOP Congress. The ability to ignore congressional subpoenas with utter impunity. A resolution formally decreeing parts of the Iranian government to be a "terrorist organization." A failure to outlaw waterboarding, to apply the torture ban to the CIA, to restore the habeas corpus rights abolished by the Military Commissions Act of 2006, to impose the requirement of congressional approval before President Bush can attack Iran. Confirmation of highly controversial Bush nominees, including Michael Mukasey as attorney general even after he embraced the most radical Bush theories of executive power and repeatedly refused to say that waterboarding was torture.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:45 PM
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1. With no Blue Dogs, we'd be a minority party in Congress.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:13 PM
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6. You are right....& many (though not all) Blue Dogs won in districts that would otherwise be GOP.



(those who might think that Nick Lampson is not a huge improvement over Tom Delay may not have the best memory.)



:dem:


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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 09:24 AM
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27. Lampson lied to us, repeatedly. He stinks.
I worked on his dammed campaign. HUGE disappointment, he is.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:21 PM
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8. And WITH them, you're totally ineffectual
Tell me, what great strides have Democrats made in this Congress? What resounding triumphs or fantastic benefits were won?

All I've seen is concession after concession to issues of the GOP's pleasure.

And the FISA bill was an outright GIFT to an unsuspecting opposition. They're still gloating about it.

It's time to promote candidates who give a damn and who VOTE that way.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:55 AM
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23. You think we'd be better off with a Republican congress?
You think the education bill, GI bill, transportation bill, etc. would be the same under the Republicans?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:25 PM
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10. We are with them in Congress.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:29 PM
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11. Exactly...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 07:58 AM
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24. As if we are not now
If we truly were a majority we would accomplish some Democratic goals instead of just GOP goals..
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:47 PM
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2. Let's give Republicans a boot instead. Without Blue Dogs, the Republicans would control the agenda.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:02 PM
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4. They control it now.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:42 AM
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26. Blue Dogs SUCK! Ass Kissers!!
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 09:58 PM
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3. Let's get rid of the GOPers this election and then put up strong contenders
in the primaries next time...the old shape up or shape out mantra.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:03 PM
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5. Excuse me, but we got a large House majority.....and they vote with the GOP
nearly every time. So tell me how that will change if we get a larger majority in the House.

They simply ignore the calls and emails now.
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:17 PM
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7. Ah, it's the...
"Things will get better if we continue more of the same!" mantra....

:crazy:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:29 PM
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18. prove it. show some evidence that the dems in the House "vote with the GOP nearly every time"
you won't be able to. And that's the problem with gross hyperbole.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:57 PM
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19. I have. Do a search on my posts and blue dogs and new dems
Don't accuse me of hyperbole.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:26 AM
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20. you haven't proved anything. You claim the dems in the House
voted with repukes most of the time. That's absolutely hyperbole.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:23 PM
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9. The Majority of Democrats are not Loyal to much the Republicans are loyal to. n.t.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:33 PM
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12. "Blue Dogs" piss all over the house!... It's time to put them outside!
How? Go to www.progressivepatriotsfund.com and help get Democrats elected that represent The People!

The Progressive Patriots Fund is dedicated to promoting a progressive
reform agenda and supporting candidates across the country.

- Senator Russ Feingold


:kick: & recommended
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 08:10 AM
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25. My Rep, Gillibrand, is a Progressive Patriot and a Blue Dog
So how does that work? :shrug:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:41 PM
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13. how many primaries are left? i think most tickets are set.
the time to toss these people is in the primaries. sick as we are of the lesser of 2 evils, i think we are stuck with the '08 evils.
i think that president obama will give the blue dogs some room to be democrats. i think it will also be easier to get rid of some in the midterm elections.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 10:44 PM
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14. It's continuous and they are up for re-election every TWO YEARS!!
It's time to look for more replacements! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Election 2010 isn't far away!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:10 PM
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15. hey, ya know what? there are a lot of good grass roots candidates out there.
maybe not every blue dog got a challenge, but there are a whole lot of new folks out there, many taking on intrenched republicans. find them, work for them, send them money. if we can't throw them out, we can at least cancel them out with good candidates that have been inspired by howard dean to "show up".
let's keep our eye on the ball.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:12 PM
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16. Go to this link and meet some more candidates !!
The Progressive Patriots Fund is dedicated to promoting a progressive reform
agenda and supporting candidates across the country. - Senator Russ Feingold

http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/

;)
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PFunk Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:26 PM
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17. Whats the use of gaining a democratic majority when you have DINO's that wont back you.
Or worst work to bring you down. Appeasing these folks is what got us into this mess. No, better to ditch these dogs now and replace them with true progressives who will back you. Even if it does mean becomming a minority party. After all were they are going to go. The repugs?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 05:29 AM
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21. I couldn't agree more.
We need to weed out the fools.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-08 06:38 AM
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22. Are we talking about every D who votes to fund the war, or not vote for impeachment?

:shrug: I think the Blue Dogs are convenient scapegoats for inneffective leadership.
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