Possible comment by church shooter found on Fox News

[ck4829]

Thanks to Gatorboy for the find.

Nothing has been changed except for a bracket so you can see his comment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3693609&mesg_id=3693617

On a story about Barack Obama.

Comment by j adkisson
February 25th, 2008 at 9:54 am

yes i belive he is muslium and if we put him in office ,all the muslium will take over,the blacks always cry they are not treated fair will its the other way around now we have let them take over and we are being treated bad now and also the turbam people run or own about everthing now and we let them ,excuse me except the hot temper little one that is there now and he owns oil wells and company doi you exp(ect the price of gas or oil to come down while he is in off\ice

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/photo-showing-obama-in-somali-garb-circulated-by-clinton-campaign-source/all-comments/#comment-157554

[Seen the light]

1. This thread is the very definition of K&R

Wow! GREAT find!

If someone can find evidence that he posted on Free Republic, I will donate $10 to whatever that person wants me to donate it to.

[gatorboy]

11. I'm working on it.

The guy's gotta be there somewhere (or a similar site).

[Faryn Balyncd]

20. Make sure you get screen shots before they scrub it.

Good work.

[ColbertWatcher]

48. Got it, check #27. n/t

[malaise]

62. Send it to KO and other progressive web sites

Send it to the Obama camp and Howie Dean as well

[ColbertWatcher]

124. I wasn't the one who found it...

...I just grabbed and saved it.

Everyone is welcome to send it along.

[Newsjock]

2. 'Low-information voters'

Can we stop calling them that? They're just stupid.

[Catshrink]

5. If he spells like a freeper...

[mcg]

103. What one freeper wrote about this ...

I'm not going to link to it because that is frowned on ...
"We all know what we’d like to do to those liberal bastards, but we don’t do it, because it’s immoral and illegal. It’s not the guy’s sentiments that are necessarily at fault, but his actions. And we conservatives are mature enough to know that he’s got to suffer for them."

emphasis mine

This freeper is claiming is that "we all" (all conservatives) would like to kill liberals, and that there is nothing wrong with that "sentiment" as long as it is not acted on, so all this right-wing hate speech is ok. What disgusting spin. It ignores the fact that thoughts and feelings most often precede immoral actions. It's not just these actions that are bad, but what causes them. This poster is claiming that all the killer did wrong was to act upon his desire to kill. That is so messed up.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

117. Anyone here on DU who spoke of a desire to kill someone would be closely surveyed

especially if their hatred was directed against the opposite political polarity.

For that matter, we're probably all closely surveyed anyway.

[Catherine Vincent]

120. I love your signature.

That is way cool and very ingenious. :hi:

[mcg]

129. Actually, I sort of stumbled on my sig,

I was trying to make another sig which didn't work, but I saw the
beginnings of this one, so I worked on finishing it.
Glad you like it.

[K Gardner]

121. The shooter's reading list was Hannity, O'Reilly and Michael Savage. Now TELL me they don't promote

HATE. Bastards.

[ColbertWatcher]

9. No kidding, talk about politically correct. n/t

[Dr.Phool]

70. Low information voters, aka "DUMBFUCKS".

[Jackpine Radical]

100. Shouldn't that be

Dunmfuxs?

[progdonkey]

115. like "voters with low racial sensitivity"

I think it was on Colbert, though it might've been Daily Show, where they showed a clip of some polling showing the difference in support for McCain and Obama among voters with self-described "high racial sensitivity" and self-described "low racial sensitivity." Of course, the former went for Obama and the latter McCain.

So the poll was just saying that self-described racists aren't going to vote for the black guy. No shit. Oh wait, these weren't racists, these were "voters with low racial sensitivity."

You're absolutely right. Whenever I refer to "low-information voters" I always include after that phrase "aka people who are too dumb to breathe," or something to that effect. If you honestly still don't know whether Obama is or isn't a Muslim (or you believe he absolutely is), you're a complete fucking idiot. It's not that you haven't been given enough information; it's that you're too stupid to understand or be willing to understand the copious amounts of information that's available.

[johnnie]

3. Sadly, there are thousands of these people out there

Many right-wingers are fucked in the head.

[RB TexLa]

23. More like millions.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

123. Approximately 28% of Registered Voters

If the Bush Approval Rating is any gauge. And I think it is.

[RB TexLa]

130. You are forgetting many of them don't approve of Bush because he's a "liberal"

[girl gone mad]

39. Yes, and now their world is falling apart..

Things were supposed to become so much better for them with Bush and the Republicans in power. Obviously, that didn't happen. We can expect to see more of this in the months and years ahead as the modern conservative movement, spawned in the 60s, takes its last gasps and its myriad "dittohead" followers come to terms with the realization that they're never going to be raptured into wealthy white man heaven with their GOP overlords.

[Bicoastal]

4. Chilling, but the even more chilling part...

...is how typical it is.

[my2sense]

6. K & R

[HughMoran]

7. SO many ignoranuses in this country

Uggh, and they're anti-education too. Double uggh. :(

[Truth4Justice]

43. Probably a Micheal Savage listener, doing what his master tells him to do with his hatred.

[lurky]

88. Not probably.

They found copies of Savage's and Hannity's books at his house, according to a thread posted yesterday.

[Frisbee]

92. And don't forget...

he also had Billo's book.

[Truth4Justice]

99. It figures. Savage has been busy sowing dissent and hate for years...

he has called for a revolution before as well as "taking it to the streets".

[ColbertWatcher]

8. Once again, I must apologize...

...apparently this is yet another soul lost in the tubes of the internet, who, after finding the Truthiness Encyclopedia (the satirical wiki based on a word created by Dr. Stephen T. Colbert, D.F.A.), mistook everything on the Barack Obama page as truth, instead of truthiness.

Wikiality.com's Obama page, the source for all the hate-wing's "ideas".

[starroute]

22. That entry plus "liberal agenda"

I wondered why when I was googling for it earlier, Wikiality came up along with just a handful of actual right-wing sites. So add that in along with the Obama page.

http://www.wikiality.com/Liberal_agenda

[ColbertWatcher]

28. Yes, apparently the GOP sheep have been duped by a comedian. n/t

[gratuitous]

10. That's GOTTA be him

Misplaced, unfocused anger and rage. The sort of spelling and keyboard skills you'd expect. And, just as his Republican overlords have been telling him, the cause of his problems have nothing to do with reality. He's upset about high oil prices and "turbam" people, but doesn't see the two Texas oilmen squatting in the White House, or George W.'s huggy-kissy hand-holding with Saudi sheikhs.

[PassingFair]

25. Don't you think he's talking about Bush here?

"excuse me except the hot temper little one that is there now and he owns oil wells and company doi you exp(ect the price of gas or oil to come down while he is in off\ice"

Sounds like the type of Freeper who
is to the RIGHT of Bushy.

Their ranks seem to be growing as
he destroys the economy...

[DaveJ]

30. Not a typical freeper.

It's worse. He's a typical Freeper Leader. If we counted all these murderous thugs alone, there would be no Republican party. The problem is the typical Republican accepts these type of guys as their role models, despite their stupidity, reeling the gullible into their cult like Charles Manson.

I'd never blanketly accuse any group of people of being as demented as these guys, but Freepers do follow them, like they follow BushCo.

[tanyev]

63. Wow. I commend your decoding skills.

I gave up reading the last line, but I think you may be right.

[JeanGrey]

12. This dude reminds me of the Unbomber - insane all of them.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. No, this nut got his talking points from the right wing media

in order to perpetuate his crime....

[JeanGrey]

56. And where did Ted get his from?

[crikkett]

61. the voices in his head?

[JeanGrey]

131. I'm sure this guy had voices too. I personally think it is ludicrous

to blame this on any talk show person, right or left.

[crikkett]

59. Excuse me, the Unabomber could spell and do math.

Sheesh.
:eyes:

[Lethe]

91. he has a PhD in Mathematics

and his Manifesto is an interesting read, although I disagree with his analysis of liberals

[JeanGrey]

132. Oh right! Excuse me! I didn't realize the ability to spell and

add made you a little less guilty of murder. Sheesh, indeed! :eyes:

[redstate_democrat]

13. Edited: To enthusiastic considering the underlying cause and tragedy in TN

However, I'm surprised that his demented ramblings were found. And found on FAUX news site. They should be shut down.

[d_b]

15. i've read it five times now

and I've no idea wtf he was trying to say.

[peacetalksforall]

104. It's a priority list:

1. Liberals
2. Arab-Muslims
3. Pres Bush
4. Corporations, especially oil companies

The list matches the Savages, except for the oil companies and other corporations, especially the corporations that sign their checks.

[vixengrl]

16. Wow--just a well-spring of misinformation and misplaced anger.

Too sad it had to explode on so many innocent people. How anyone could not recognize that a peaceful gathering place where families watched their children do a musical was just not any place where violence needed to be, escapes me. But seeing those vast holes in logic...

No. Still incomprehensible to me.

[slampoet]

17. What's a muslium ? Someone who worships linen ?

[FloridaJudy]

33. Me, I guess

Those yardsticks and tape measures can be deadly, not to mention the quilting needles...

[PatGund]

36. Nawww...

You're thinking of Satinists........

[HeeBGBz]

125. It could be Pinko Linenists

[keroro gunsou]

126. must be cut...

from a different cloth i guess. i woulda guessed the church of cashmere at best, at worse billy-bob's house of suede and wedding chapel.

[Kermitt Gribble]

73. ROTF!!!!!

[LiberalFighter]

107. Nahhh... It's another name for burial places.

[louis-t]

112. Ain't that where they buries people?

Mauslium...mausolum...mausulillium..

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. Yowsa! Does no one moderate the comments at FOX? nt

[gratuitous]

19. And these hateful comments have been up for MONTHS

Why hasn't Billo denounced Faux for being a hate site? He did it for Daily Kos.

[redqueen]

58. Has Billo ever denounced a rightwinger for doing the stuff he excoriates liberals for?

I guess the exception would only serve to prove the rule, though, even if he did once or twice.

[nam78_two]

31. I am sure they delete ones without the appropriate amount of hate.nt

[NewJeffCT]

114. they probably do - that's probably mild compared to what is deleted

I'm guessing.

[babylonsister]

21. My stars. The ignorance is stupefying. nt

[Lex]

24. No wonder these people are angry. They are bewildered & misinformed.

Too dull to sift through most information critically.

Ignorance is at the root of hatred.

[PA Democrat]

26. You should send it to Olbermann. If it's the same guy, you know KO

will cover it, especially considering how O'Reilly went after comments left on Daily Kos.

[GreenPartyVoter]

66. Oh yeah, definitely!

[ColbertWatcher]

27. Screen-grab before it disappears...

[MadrasT]

52. Unbelievable

That shit was shitting out there since FEBRUARY 25th?! :banghead:

I'm not a litigious individual by nature, but "somebody" needs to sue the crap out of Faux. I'm not sure who should do it or what legal case could be made, but that is so wrong.

[Lance_Boyle]

53. sue FOX for what, exactly?

OMIGAWDS! An offensive posting on an interwebs forum! MUST SUE/ARREST SOMEBODY NOW!

Had the posting mentioned something about "gonna go to the church and blast the joint up during the kids' play," that might be different. But there is nothing in any way illegal or actionable about the posting as it is. It's just a racist rant.

[MadrasT]

57. Yep.

That's what I was alluding to in my original comment. I'm not sure "for what, exactly". I couldn't think of grounds for a lawsuit... but I'm no legal expert. Chalk it up to my outrage speaking louder than my common sense.

Upon further reflection, while the comment on the Fox site is a highly offensive rant, he has a right to state his opinion (as twisted and incomprehensible as it may be).

Though it makes me wonder what Fox's policy is regarding comments of that nature? Do they just allow everything to remain, no matter what? If they do have a policy where offensive/inappropriate comments are deleted, I'd love to see any comments that were considered "worse" or "more innappropriate" that were removed. They may not even have the staff to monitor the comments, and just let 'em rip.

Heaven knows, I've left comments of my own that have incensed certain people on other forums... ;-)

[Blue State Bandit]

89. Not one myself either but...

if you can prove that the perp watched FAUX regularly (done) and you can prove that FAUX advocates violence against liberals(done)...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=plrcs0J2BpQ">Threat against Barack Obama

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XjlJR1i4aGk">Threat against Michelle Obama

I'm sure some deep pocket lawyer would be willing to take the case.

[rucognizant]

74. WHat the heck was that?

It froze up my computer and I had to restart!

[krispos42]

101. Faux News moderators are not as skilled as DU mods, that's all

:breaks arm patting himself on the back:



I'll be off hiding now...


:hide:

[proud patriot]

102. Why thank you

[LiberalFighter]

108. Guy was probably masturbating while posting it.

[NBachers]

128. He makes Bob Boudelang look like a Rhodes Scholar

or a Yale graduwit by comparison.

[RNdaSilva]

29. A member of this...

and other RW MSM groups.

Please educate the ignorant 30%(?). Probably too late for those of his ilk. Educate the young before it's too late.

This is sick...

[nam78_two]

32. Was he typing with potatoes strapped to his fingers?

Muslium? Turbam?

[Heidi]

37. !

:rofl:

P.S. you are missed!

[nam78_two]

38. Awww-I miss you guys too

:hi: :hug:
Don't miss the work though :P.

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. !

:spray: :rofl:

[scheming daemons]

34. Every attempt to bring up that foxnews link crashes my browser

[Bright Eyes]

40. Mine as well.

Don't know why.

[Joanne98]

64. Mine too.

[varun]

71. Yeah...probably Fox is trying to discourage people from visiting that site

...they dont wanna let others know that scumbags like the TN shooters visit their website...

[rucognizant]

77. Me too

Mac user?

[frog92969]

94. Works fine with Konqueror in Linux

And it's still there.

[medeak]

35. Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage books found in home

"Inside the house, officers found 'Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder' by radio talk show host Michael Savage, 'Let Freedom Ring' by talk show host Sean Hannity, and 'The O'Reilly Factor,' by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly."

raw story reports

[MiniMe]

46. Probably has some Coulter in there too

That sounds like typical Ann

[Occam Bandage]

41. Who is "the hot temper little one?" Ahmadinejad? Bush?

If it's M.A., why the "except" then--is he claiming that Ahmadinejad is not being allowed to run things? That wouldn't square with his claim that he owns oil wells and companies. It might be Bush, assuming that "except" means that Bush runs things despite not being a "turbam person." If so, I wonder what he's so pissed off about; Bush has certainly been effective at killing muslium turbam people.

[OnionPatch]

49. Yes, but killing the Muslims was supposed to bring gas prices down.

I think that's what he's mad about. All that blood letting and gas is still high!

[pinto]

42. How sad, all around.

[Vickers]

44. Those goddam Musliums.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[calimary]

45. Not terribly surprising.

Birds of a feather and all that.

And remember, too, this guy had books by billo and that idiot screed by that-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-VANITY. Oh yeah, and a michael savage weiner book too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3693983

[Prophet 451]

47. "turbam people"?

What the hell does that mean?

Look, this guy screams "schizoid paranoia". Yes, it may have been Rush et al who set him off but if the guy is that messed up, virtually anything can set him off.

[safeinOhio]

85. Dang turbam people and morans. nt

[Clark2008]

50. Chilling.

I'm posting this at the Knox News website, if it hasn't already been posted.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. Sounds like he could be an English coach for our president.

[Catherine Vincent]

55. I love America but we have a lot of scewed up people here. nt

[workinclasszero]

60. That chump has got to be a freeper! (nt)

[Joanne98]

65. This means he had a computer. I wonder what websites he posted on?

:eyes:

[varun]

68. His home computer hard disk should be examined

I hope Knoxville police / FBI is doing this.

He may be corresponding with others who might be thinking like him, and may act like him.

[Joanne98]

84. And find out what his freeper name is.

[Bozita]

67. Wish I could recommend more than once.

[Dukkha]

69. He certainly has the grammar skills of a freeper

I'm sure FR covered their tracks and deleted his member profile over there

[lpbk2713]

72. He sounds really ... "articulate".

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:





No surprise here.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

75. There Are Over 300 J Adkissons In The US. Pretty Good Chance It Ain't Him.

Would be interesting if it ended up being confirmed that it was though.

[varun]

78. the 300 number - is it just a guess?

If there are 300 J Adkissons in the US, then, lets say:
- 70% are above the age of 21 (able to post on Internet)
- 80% of the above are online (have access to internet)
- 10% of the above post messages on bulletin boards
- 50% of the above are conservative
- 20% of the above are rabid muslim haters (as apparent from the post on fox)

Then, the possible number of J. Adkissons who may post on Fox are:

300* 0.7*0.8*0.1*0.5*0.2 = 1.68

1/2 is not bad!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. I Love People Who Make Up Assumptions And Numbers To Suit Their Desires.

Always makes them look so silly.

Your example is utterly useless. But then I'm sure you already know that.

And no, the 300 wasn't a guess.

[varun]

82. Probablity and Statistics are a big part of criminal investigation

I am not saying my assumptions are 100% correct, but then, you never pointed out where I might be wrong.

Also, you never gave me a reference for the 300 number.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

83. Probability And Statistics Use, Like, Ya Know, Real Numbers.

They don't use ignorant made up ones.

And try the white pages.

[varun]

95. How about suggesting some "real numbers"

oh all knowing one...

[LSK]

76. please send this to KO

[e-mail]

[slackmaster]

79. Good find

:kick:

[VaYallaDawg]

80. I've worried about going to church a long time now.

I've often talked with members of my family about this - it's just about the last place in our country where there are large numbers of people who are so totally vulnerable. I know it's probably hard for some right-wingers to grasp, but it's possible to be a liberal and still have a spiritual side - and yet, your personal safety may be in jeopardy in church.

[nc4bo]

86. oh man........there is so much irony if this is indeed the same man.

For people who don't believe these people exist, here's their proof and for every one of them that crawls out from under rocks, there are hundreds more who feel the same.

God help him and those like him.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

87. I heard they were considering Hate Crimes charges

from there we need to criminalize Hate Speech.

It's not the potentially violent acting in a vacuum of isolation. This man had been without work, on the verge of getting his food stamps greatly reduced, had no roots or family. He is how old?

Fox News
Rush Limbaugh
Glen Beck

It is this type of daily Mind Control spewed by those "trusted" with Americas air waves that sometimes pushes someone over the edge. The "noise" had him convinced the Liberals were to blame when it is obvious where all our troubles lie.

Didn't the majority of us know almost immediately, not only was this killer a right wing lunatic, but that his greatest influence was the hate from our social commentators?

Sorry if my grammar or spelling is bad, I am so angry about this situation I shake thinking of it.

I am not sorry for my views though so please forget about arguing First Amendment Rights, with me.

[sofa king]

90. That poster is certainly a Right Wing Authoritarian of some sort.

As described in these documents here:

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hannahk/conservatism.html

As the first paper concludes:

We regard political conservatism as an ideological belief system
that is significantly (but not completely) related to motivational
concerns having to do with the psychological management of
uncertainty and fear. Specifically, the avoidance of uncertainty
(and the striving for certainty) may be particularly tied to one core
dimension of conservative thought, resistance to change (Wilson,
1973c). Similarly, concerns with fear and threat may be linked to
the second core dimension of conservatism, endorsement of inequality
(Sidanius & Pratto, 1999). Although resistance to change
and support for inequality are conceptually distinguishable, we
have argued that they are psychologically interrelated, in part
because motives pertaining to uncertainty and threat are interrelated
(e.g., Dechesne et al., 2000; McGregor et al., 2001; van den
Bos & Miedema, 2000).

The poster starts off striving for certainty: "yes i belive he is muslium...."

And runs on directly to fear: "all the muslium will take over..."

And hits most of the bases along the way: group-based dominance (and the fear of his ignorant white males losing it to "musliums" and "the blacks"); endorsement of inequality (implicit in the statement "will (well) its the other way around now"); resistance to change, and so on.

It occurs to me that if this was in fact the same guy who committed the crime, he's probably just the first of many who pop off like this or in similar ways. Now that America as we knew it is destroyed and change is unavoidable--downward, poverty-inducing change wrought by the criminal ways of their chosen leaders--they don't really have anyone left that they can trust. They're like attack dogs that don't trust or obey their masters anymore, unpredictable only in that one can't know which person they're going to bite first.

[warpigs]

93. Best Post on the fox noise board

You must read several posts before this one by Lodi Consultant:


If this board is any indication, the intelligence level of Americans is in the toilet. Barely any one of you can complete a thought, much less a sentence.

We’ve become a nation of idiots - believing everything that isn’t fit to print. We deserve what we get which will end up being absolutely nothing.


I couldn't stop laughing. Unfortunately, there seems to be several posts just like j adkisson

[jeff30997]

96. I agree with him on one point:

"yes i belive he eats muesli"




That's one of the reasons he looks so healthy.:)

[pacalo]

97. Oh, gotta love those Faux News intellectuals. My, my -- how did they get to be so...disinformed.

[flvegan]

98. "all the muslium will take over"!!!!11!!!

Whoever that was, he/she/it is an idiot.

[redqueen]

109. For a second there I thought maybe you were talking about Jon Voight.

;)

[AllieB]

105. kick

[salguine]

106. Good God! This ass-hat is barely fucking literate. I don't know why I'm even

mildly surprised, but the scope of incoherence still staggers.

[David Zephyr]

110. A Fox Viewer...one of Roger Ailes' audience just following orders.

Fox's audience.

[Redstone]

111. Well, that's just about exactly as ignorant as I expected he'd be. And hey, nice job

with the spelling, you stupid fucking twanger.

Redstone

[AnnieBW]

113. I wonder if Fixed Noise

will chip in for his legal defense? I doubt it.

[Zomby Woof]

116. He should have posted at FR

He would be hailed as some kind of genius-god on there.

[rAVES]

118. I r smart, s.m.e.r.t

[JustAnotherGen]

119. Awww jeez

Yet another Right Wing Illiterate. He needs to larn him some of them thar ciphering and lettering.

[emdee]

122. Sounds very similar to something I received from my SIL. nt

nt

[Gman]

127. What's the guy's screen name at Free Republic?

Have we found out yet?