(Telephone rings) "Speaker Pelosi's office."

[AndyA]

Caller: "Is Speaker Pelosi in?"

Receptionist: "May I tell her who's calling?"

Caller: "This is Dennis Kucinich."

Receptionist: "May I tell her what this is regarding?"

Caller: "Yesterday on The View, Speaker Pelosi said she wanted proof of the crimes of George Bush and Dick Cheney. I'd like to set up an appointment to meet with her, and present her with the evidence she needs."

Receptionist: "I see. Please hold."

(Long pause)

Receptionist: "Speaker Pelosi is not available right now, Representative Kucinich. Would you like her voice mail?"

Caller: "Yes, please. And would you also make sure she knows I'd like to set up a meeting with her as soon as possible?"

Receptionist: "Of course. Please hold for her voice mail."

Voice mail system: "Mailbox full."

Kucinich ought to just hand carry the evidence he has over to Pelosi's office, since she's apparently been so busy writing her book that she hasn't had time for less important things, like living up to her oath of office, protecting the Constitution of the United States of America, and DOING HER F*CKING JOB!

By the way, Nancy, the House is supposed to investigate and come up with the proof. You shouldn't need to see proof up front to initiate an investigation, just reasonable cause that a crime has been committed. And you've got that already.

[intheflow]

1. You've got that right!

K&R

[snappyturtle]

2. Let's see, we have the Downing Street Memos, Richard Clarke

observations and conversations with our leader,and that non-stop, un-relenting,repetitive, rhetorical pre-occupation meme-propaganda via cheney, rice, rumsfeld, etc......we didn't imagine this...facts are facts...what part of that doesn't Nancy comprehend? After all this is only one facet of the illegalities of this administration. I don't think we can expect her to do her job in light of the most egregious fact that she seemingly isn't an informed everyday citizen much less the Speaker of the House.

[Martin Eden]

3. It's a crying shame

The fisrt woman Speaker of the House -- a Democrat -- is an utter failure at upholding her most important oath to protect the Constitution and serve the people of this country.

She may as well have said the rule of law is off the table.

[Stuart G]

4. What is the truth of this act?

Why? Why take it off the table completely? What kind of deal was made? Let us at least hear the truth?
..K and R

[Martin Eden]

5. I wish I knew

The conventional explanation is that pursuing impeachment would spend a lot of political capital to no avail, and hurt the Democratic Party more than help it. I think that's a miscalculation, but it's within the realm of possibility that Pelosi saw potential negative consequences and didn't want to take the risk in squandering the current Democratic advantage in the anti-Bush environment. Once she ruled impeachment off the table, she didn't want the negative fallout of flip-flopping on that decision.

On the other hand, it's very possible the Democratic leadership has a degree of complicity in this administration's crimes that would be exposed in the impeachment battle. It could get very ugly, implicate some key players that Pelosi doesn't want implicated, and cast most of the government in a more negative light than it already is.

As far as I'm concerned, what we need more than anything is to cast light on our government and let the chips fall where they may. Above all else, we need transparency and a government that lives up to the definition of a truly representative democracy.

[MasonJar]

6. She has plenty of crimes to choose from. She needs to hear from us non-stop.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

7. .

:kick:

[Senator]

8. It's Not About "Proof" -- The Regime Freely ADMITS Their Actions

They simply "defend" them (not under oath) as lawful and non-impeachable.

John Yoo is happy to explain that he was instructed to formulate a "legal basis" for a (can't-call-it-)torture regime -- in violation of US Code Title 18,2441 and Geneva Article 3. They literally claim (mainly to themselves) that existing law and treaties simply do not apply to them because they claim to be "at war."

They literally claim that no law passed by Pelosi's "Off The Table" Congress, or subpoena issed by them, or ruling of any court in the land is anything more than a non-binding resolution to them.

Madame Squeaker seems to agree, and approve, and has become the firewall against accountability for these known war criminals.

She can write a hundred books pretending that it is not so -- but that is her ONLY legacy.

And Impeachment remains our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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[Phredicles]

9. Exactly so - thank you!

I've about given up hope that congress will actually perform their duties. But Pelosi deserves an especially great share of the blame, since as far as I can see she never even tried. Ideally, when Bush & the rest of the Insane Clown Posse finally stand trial in whatever venue finally catches up with them, she belongs in the dock with them.

[Buzz Clik]

15. The first half of your post was on the money. You drifted off toward the end.

Impeachment would be a total waste of time.

[Senator]

25. It's you who are drifting.

Through a cloud of impeachophobia. It is anything else that is the waste of time.

Or did you have something more productive or important in mind that you just forgot to include as the alternative?

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[Buzz Clik]

29. Read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3696237&mesg_id=3701413

Anyone paying attention to the details understands the complexities.

[Senator]

30. Entirely Irrelevant

There are no "complexities." There is no "trail" that need be followed. There is no need to "link" anything to any "decision." Nothing need be "proven" in any way, to anyone, to any degree of certainty.

Your impeachophobia has you imagining that impeachment is something like a criminal prosecution. That's simply not the case.

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[Buzz Clik]

31. Really? No complexities in impeachment?

You are ignorant of the system. I will not educate you.

[Senator]

32. Nope. None at all.

A simple up or down vote is all that's required. Approval or repudiation for torture and/or illegal spying and/or terrorizing the nation into war with overt lies (or depraved indifference) about "mushroom clouds!"

If you believe there are areas of uncertainty about the facts and circumstances or who is responsible for them, perhaps it is you who is in need of education.

I'd be happy to answer questions. BTW, there is no "system" either, just people.

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[DUlover2909]

10. I call BS. Nancy, you're a hot little minx that gets my nads pumpin, but...

I get alot more excited over some S&M brutality. Give Shrubbie a good lickin and then send him to the dungeon. He might like a good spanking.

[ooglymoogly]

23. Are you into shrunken heads? Just askin nt

[awoke_in_2003]

11. She is definitely giving women a bad name...

just my personal experience, but every woman I have ever known would jump on the chance to prove a man fucked up. But, of course, she is probably complicit.

[DeeDeeNY]

12. Nancy needs to go to a Neil Young concert

At the one I went to a few years ago, a list of all of W's impeachable offenses was projected onto the stage while he was singing his great song "Let's Impeach the President".

[Alcibiades]

13. Taking impeachment off the table was a mistake

Never say that there are no conditions under which you would exercise the constitutional duties of your office. It hamstrings you. That's why they never take, for example, the "military option" off the table, whether they're talking about Iran or anywhere else.

Pelosi must go.

[wurzel]

21. It was not a mistake for Pelosi.

The disgusting fact is that many of the Democratic Party "leadership" acquiesced to Bush's policies. If Bush goes down. They go down. Including Pelosi. She is covering herself.

[Buzz Clik]

14. The key point which is ALWAYS ignored in these discussions:

Bush's butt is covered 100%. You list crimes that were committed, but you cannot link them to a Bush decision. His administration? Yep. But the trail is so twisted, and Bush is so thoroughly covered by people like John Yoo that he is bulletproof.

[TahitiNut]

27. Funny how that "unitary executive" just evaporates when it comes to guilt, huh?

Fucking hypocrites. :puke:

[Buzz Clik]

28. The desire for power in the "unitary executive" comes from unelected officials.

[Perogie]

16. It's called a Mexican Standoff

We know Bush is tapping phone lines. We know that repubs hacked into Dems computers. We know that the rebubs have controlled congress from 1993 to 2006. We know that the media is in the repubs back pocket.

Think how much dirt they must have on Dems. The Dems have the power of impeachment, but if they use it the repubs unleash tons of dirt on the Dems and the media eats it up and it would be non stop 24/7 on all that dirt.

So as much as I hate it I have to agree with Reid. Give them a super majority and maybe they can start holding the repubs accountable. Otherwise the media will tear them apart. Look what CNN did to the "impeachment" hearings or was it called "discussion of possible wrong doings by the Bush admin. CNN made a joke out of it.

Let's get progressives elected and get a true voice in congress

[NashVegas]

26. Wrong Solution

The proper solution is to out Democratic congress members who are blackmailable and get rid of them.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

17. The first time I ever heard the term "subpoena power" it was coming from Pelosi's lips.

...Her new book is titled "Know Your Power". She knows her power and she ain't using it, she should be tried for treason!

[NBachers]

18. A personal visit from Kucinich and Bugliosi is in order

If that's what it takes, then that's what should happen.

[King Coal]

19. Could she spend an hour with Bugliosi?

[madamesilverspurs]

20. Not unless he paid her. . .

[ooglymoogly]

22. Pelosi, shmelosi....Up for academy awards for best kabuki dance.

N. Pelosi and H Reid and their dance troupe, The monied Cronies, considered a shoo in, the only competition being the rest of "government".

[rurallib]

24. funniest thing that she is doing the circuit to sell her new book

on the use of power. Ironical irony donchya think?