I have never met a pushy Vegetarian or Vegan

[Taverner]

And I live in California, where we have more Vegetarians than Rotarians (thankya thankya I'm here all week)

But seriously, I have never had a Vegetarian or Vegan chastise me on my carnivorousness. I've never had one try to recruit me, or get me to change my ways.

Now pushy meat eaters, I have met. Folks who, if I were to say I was a vegetarian or vegan (I'm not), would go into a spiel as if I insulted America, Mom and Apple Pie.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

1. Ha-ha-haaaa!

:popcorn: :hi:

[YOY]

2. I have Taverner.

Bizarre woman. Really bizarre woman. Dated a friend of mine. She was on the weird ranting level of ALF folks. Granted very cute but really, really, really, strange...and not in the fun free spirit or just-living-my-life way.

He only dated her for a month...he claimed she was a flipping crazy in the sack.

I've met plenty of non-pushy vegetarians.

[AllieB]

3. Funny, I've met dismissive vegans/vegetarians on DU, but never in person

Like you, Taverner, I live in an area with a lot of vegetarians/vegans, and have never been chastised by them. I was a vegetarian for many years, and respect their nutritional and ethical choices.

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. It's harder to punch someone on DU than it is in person

[AllieB]

19. I've been verbally punched on DU for eating meat.

I think it's because I'm a former vegetarian that I'm viewed as a traitor. Oh well. Ethically, I would love not to eat meat. I love animals. Unfortunately, my health suffered, and recovered when I began adding animal protein back. Long story short, I try to eat beef/poultry from local farmers, I don't eat pork, and I'm starting to question the longterm viability of eating fish. I love fish, but we have overfished and many species are dying out (cod and atlantic salmon, for example).

[Kutjara]

4. You haven't met my wife.

Particularly when I try to order foie gras at a restaurant. The Wrath of God's got nothing on her. :evilgrin:

[yardwork]

49. You should not be ordering foie gras. Shame on you.

[Kutjara]

52. Yep, that's pretty much how she starts off.

It escalates quickly from there.

I've learned to keep my foie gras perversion firmly in the realm of fantasy.

[AlCzervik]

5. i'm a recent convert to vegetarianism, and like religion i don't push my beliefs on anyone.

i am the only one in my house btw, my daughter tried for a while and couldn't do it and my husband never even attempted it. I still cook for both of them.

[Kitty Herder]

6. Same here.

But when I defend my choice not to eat meat against their attacks, they think I'm being pushy. I always wonder why they think it's their business what I eat.

There are some people in my life who I don't want to ever know that I'm vegetarian. My grandma, for example. She would have a fit.

[AlCzervik]

8. no kidding! I get more shit from people for choosing not to eat meat. I tell almost no one

to avoid the "Omg why?"

[Kitty Herder]

14. Yeah, me too.

That's what I was saying. It's mostly my immediate family that gives me shit about not eating meat. Most other people never notice.

[Dogtown]

7. Glad to meet you, Taverner!

I'm Dogtown.
I'm a vegetarian.

:hi:

EDIT: Shd have read past "pushy", assumed I qualified. But, no; my wife is a dedicated carnivore, and I abhor all proselytizing.

:blush:

[MsTryska]

10. is this because you are vegetarian?

Cuz i loves me some meat and I've seen some pretty rude behavior from vegetarians. Not religious-based vegetarians, but the general new converts.

[Taverner]

18. Oh I'm a carnivore

I eat meat - and I've never had a vegetarian judge me

Of course, the first thing I usually do when I hear someone's a vegetarian is start trading recipes.

[MsTryska]

22. Ah ok....maybe you hang around mroe polite people than I

I'm Indian so I'm used to vegetarian as a lifestyle choice, but it's usually a teenage girl and the occassional young male who has jsut found the joys of vegetarianism and will make comments about how gross meat smeels or the way it putrefies in your colon or some other such thing.


Amusing, but irksome.

Now my friend who converted many many years ago is cool people - she will find something to eat any restaurant we go to, which is why we try to pick restaurants that offer her lots of options - doesn't judge - apreciates the smell fo a good burger and I love her to bits. We trade all sorts of recipes.

[EstimatedProphet]

11. Really?

[daggahead]

12. I am a vegetarian ...

... and I am not a pusher.

That said, you shouldn't eat meat! :rofl:

[DebJ]

13. Then you have never been with my parents' church people.

My mother converted to my father's religion for the sake of keeping peace in the house (but not until they had retired). She has many serious health issues and needs to eat some small portions of meat to maintain her health (she is going to be 80 in October, so she doesn't eat much of anything). A few pastors of their small church quite nastily grilled her about eating any meat at all. And by the way, this church does not require one to be a vegetarian, just supports/promotes it for the most part, but many in the church are not vegetarian or vegan. These pastors got quite nasty with my mom. Finally, I told her to ask them about the story of Jesus with the fish and loaves of bread. If it was sinful to eat meat, why did Jesus feed people fish?????? That shut up that pastor for awhile. But every time they get a new one, it starts over again.

The really hysterically funny thing is that they had my Mom watch a video with two vegans in it, talking about how healthy the vegan life is. These two people looked like absolute walking skeletal zombies. I mean, just looking at them was nauseating.

I myself eat very little meat, have vegetarian friends, and enjoy their company at meals because I love all kinds of veggies and hubby has an aversion to anything green. I respect vegetarians, especially those who work hard at maintaining their health in many ways, including the extraordinary steps they have to take to insure they are actually getting enough B vitamins and protein from real food sources . . . a very, very difficult thing to do. But to push this off as a principle of Jesus is just . . . sinful. Especailly when it comes down to outright harassment of an 80 year old wonderful, loving, respectful, helping woman.

[Critters2]

63. Extraordinary steps to get B vitamins and protein?

:rofl:

You mean extraordinary steps like eating? It's not that hard to get protein without eating meat. Really, not a challenge at all. And every basic vitamin supplement on the planet has b-vitamins in an adequate amount.

[NeedleCast]

70. I find it amusing that most vegetarians I know will rail against

Genetically modified food, but will stuff themselves with supplements.

[Critters2]

73. I take one multivitamin a day. This is your definition of "stuffing oneself"?

And I haven't railed against anything.

[NeedleCast]

80. Not at all

but among the four vegetarians and the one vegan I know, they go through more supplements in a month than you probably do in five years, especially the vegan, who carries six(ish) containers of pills with her all the time. The point I was making is that many of the vegetarians I know will admonish others (usually in a passive-aggressive way) about their dietary choice while taking all sorts of pills in the guise of "herbal supplements." I might die of meat induce colon cancer some day, but at least I'm not going to grow a 2nd head due to some bizzare supplement side effect.

Sorry if it sounded like I was referring specifically to you, didn't mean to imply that.

[flvegan]

88. I'm a vegan

and the only supplements I take are bodybuilding supplements. Nothing dietary.

You may just know some veg folk that like to pop pills.

[pitohui]

15. you need to get out more

i'm sure not the most out-going kid on the block and i've met MANY pushy veggies/vegans

some you simply have to give up as friends because there is no ability to eat together because they aren't about what's on their plate, they are also about what's on YOUR plate

if you have never had a vegan bitch you out over what you were eating, my guess is that you simply haven't met many vegans -- there are some who are tolerant of other's diets but there are also some who are extremely judgmental and intolerant -- if someone really believes that "meat is murder" how could it be otherwise? you wouldn't sit back and let someone commit murder over dinner would you?

[Sanity Claws]

16. I have

They made it seem as though I was morally deficient.
I don't doubt that you have met pushy meat eaters, who feel threatened by your not eating meat.
A lot of people have to learn tolerance.

[Taverner]

17. I eat meat

I've just met meat eaters who literally are offended by those who don't

I've never seen it the other way

[fl410]

20. Did you forget the "can you tell I'm just fucking with you" smilie?

:rofl:

[csziggy]

21. Most of the vegetarians/vegans I know are passive-aggressive

Just saying...

[Phoonzang]

35. That's my experience. My vegetarian friends

aren't in your face about it, they just sneak in little digs. A curl of the nose when a hamburger is mentioned...subtle things like that.

[csziggy]

59. While it does not bother me much, the vegans I know all seem to be malnourished

Not so much that they are toothpick thin, but they also seem to be sick all the time and very weak.

But since I know absolutely nothing about how to balance a human diet (I did study a bit of equine diets), I can't make any suggestions to them. I suspect there is some nutrient that they are not getting - like taurine that cats need and cannot synthesize.

[RebelOne]

93. Hey, Flvegan, chime in here and post your photo!

Let the poster see how malnourished you are.

[flvegan]

97. I'm too weak

to pull up a link.

It's in my Journal though...

[Warpy]

23. You have indeed been fortunate

The last time I got lectured by a vegetarian was three nights ago, got buttonholed by a macropsychotic type because I was buying the "wrong" mirin.

I'm afraid I was not polite.

[stray cat]

24. I've met them on DU but not in person. Never met a pushy non-vegetarian

[Kitty Herder]

27. Where do you live?

I'm scared to even tell people I'm a vegetarian because they're so rude to me and they think they have to tell me how I'm going to die from malnutrition and how I'm single-handedly destroying the cattle industry and our rural, western way of life.

I live in an area where there are a lot of small-time ranchers. Including members of my own family. I respect that. I grew up on my grandpa's farm/ranch and we always had a freezer full of beef when I was growing up. I just choose not to eat that way anymore. Actually, I think the seeds of my vegetarianism were planted by that freezer full of beef. I didn't much like it. My mom says I would turn green when she served us yet another meal based on ground beef. Too much meat doesn't agree with me. I feel better when I don't eat meat. But there are other people who don't function well without meat in their diets.

I imagine that if I lived in a different environment, I would feel more comfortable telling people that I'm a vegetarian.

[shanti]

30. but you don't raise animals for consumption, do you?

i actually know of someone who professed to be a vegetarian, but was planning to raise animals for consumption! this person saw no hypocrisy in this! you have to wonder!

[deadmessengers]

33. I know someone who doesn't eat any meat he didn't kill himself.

If he didn't hunt it, or catch it, or raise it personally for slaughter (chickens), he doesn't eat it. No grocery store meat, (he calls it "outsourced meat") ever. Grows most of his own veggies, too.

I think that's a little extreme, but I've sure got to respect his commitment.

[Kitty Herder]

37. Me? No, of course not.

My family did when I was a child, but I certainly don't.

[shanti]

29. yes

there are several here on du...i won't name names tho.

[demobabe]

95. I've met pushy vegetarians, vegans, carnivores, and animal rights advocates

In fact, I've met people who have been pushy on any number of causes, not limited to whether or not one eats meat.

[Lilith Velkor]

25. I've never met a pushy meat eater

I met about a dozen pushy veggie-tards before I traded my leather jacket.

Were I vegetarian, I would probably notice the pushy meat eaters.

[napoleon_in_rags]

31. Obnoxious meat eaters aren't pushy

They either try to gross you out by saying "mmm, dead animal" while they masticate pork chops, or they try to convince you that they are "men" because they eat red meat, as if Muhammed Ali was a queen for being vegetarian. So it goes both ways.

[Lilith Velkor]

87. That's what's known as a pre-emptive strike

It's a tactic one might adopt after the fourth or fifth time one hears someone scream, "AAAAGH!!! OH MY GOD YOU'RE EATING DEAD ANIMAL FLESH!" when one is just sitting down to lunch.

Next fucking asshole who does that to me after 24 hours with no food will have his or her liver added to the menu, so help me Artemis.

[dysfunctional press]

26. you've never had a single person say anything to the effect of:

"eww! how can you eat meat?" when you're with a group of people ordering food in a restaurant?

i've had it happen often enough. i'm not saying that most veg-heads are- i'm sure that most of the ones i meet i probably don't even know are vegetarians anyway. but at least some of the ones that are have no compunction about lording it over others like it was some type of moral superiority.

when it isn't.

and although i have met pushy carnivores- i've never met any that were pushy about eating meat.

[deadmessengers]

28. I recently had a landlord refuse to rent to me because I was an omnivore.

I'm getting ready to begin a temporary (3-month) job-related relocation to the Bay area. A few weeks ago, I was looking on Craigslist for an apartment, and I got a response for a place that was absolutely perfect - a studio two blocks from my new job, well within my price range, with a covered lockable space for my bicycle. The one hitch is that when I spoke to the landlord, she informed me that a non-negotiable "no meat" clause would be written into my lease.

If that doesn't qualify as a pushy vegetarian, I don't know what would. Oh, and needless to say, I'll be renting from someone substantially less insane.

[napoleon_in_rags]

32. That could almost be illegal.

It seems like meat eating could be part of a religion, and that could be discrimination.

[EFerrari]

39. That's illegal. Good grief!

[deadmessengers]

81. Believe it or not, it's not.

Here's the big 7 that landlords can't take into account when renting an apartment: race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status or handicap. "Pushy vegetarians" (heh) could argue that being an unrepentant omnivore such as myself is a handicap, but I don't think a court would agree ;-)

[bryant69]

34. I've met some.

I don't think pushiness is confined to one particular way of looking at things - on the other hands people pushing opinions you already agree with aren't usually very objectionable.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[petronius]

36. I haven't met any that I would call pushy, IRL or on DU

Frankly, I think most of the complaints about pushy vegetarians that I've heard over my lifetime are as valid as complaints about gays "flaunting" their sexuality. As for DU, I'll bet there are far more examples of carnivores 'jokingly' posting "this thread makes me want a steak!" or "people eating tasty animals" than there are 'pushy' vegetarians posting "meat is murder". IMO. of course (and FWIW I'm an omnivore)...

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. I find the jerks to be pretty even in both camps.

Neither makes me want to follow their brand of "belief". :)

[petronius]

60. You're probably more even-minded than I am

I suspect that my estimates of proportions are skewed by what I find most annoying. :)

I've never understood why some people think that being a jerk is a good way to make a point. What response do they expect - "Well gee, I hadn't thought of it before, but now that you've yelled at me and called me names I'm inclined to agree with you."? :shrug:

[ScreamingMeemie]

69. I know... and I am so totally guilty of it of late. It is as if I lost that little

jimminy cricket guy that keeps one from falling off the edge. I do tend to post a scathing, name littered retort...and then go back and delete (most of) the nasties, just to save my head. :) I am working on it. Little Engine that could and all.

[Evoman]

38. I've met some pushy vegetarians....but I've also met really big meat eating assholes.

Vegetarians friends have, at most, tried to convince me eating meat is not very good for me and that I should TRY cutting it out (which I have without much success). But, having had veggie only friends, I've also seen meat eating assholes go on and on about how they are going to go eat their big bloody steaks blah blah blah....after simply finding out that my friends were veggie (not being pushed at).

It makes me want to feed them my favourite meat...the meat of my palm against their brain stem.

[enlightenment]

40. I think it's a matter of degree, Evo -

you suggest that your vegetarian friends are not pushy because they "at most" try to convince you to change your lifestyle, but meat eaters are assholes because they make snarky comments that hurt the feelings of vegetarians.

I look at that statement and see something different.

If my vegetarian friends tried to push me to change my lifestyle by evangelizing their own - "meat is bad for you; humans are not supposed to eat meat; killing animals is wrong, etc." - I would consider that "pushy." And rude. It may not be snark, but that sort of "convincing" tells me quite clearly that they find my lifestyle choices unacceptable and if I were a better person I would change.

I suspect that a considerable number of meat-eaters leap right to snark simply because they are sick and tired of being on the receiving end of an evangelical vegetarian's commitment to changing the world one meat-eater at a time.

Both sides are in the wrong - as to who is the bigger asshole, well, I suppose that depends on where you stand.

[Evoman]

48. Fine....degrees. But as an omnivore, I seldom feel like beating pushy vegetarians.

While I often feel like putting anti-vegetarian assholes through a meat grinder.

Lol..degrees.

[enlightenment]

89. Thanks for clarifying

who the asshole is in this situation.

[Evoman]

90. If that's your sneaky way of calling me an asshole, all I have to say to you is this:

you are probably right.

I may be an asshole, but dammit...I'm a sexy, charming asshole. But do I really put people into meatgrinders?

*Arnold Schwarzenegger voice* Yes, but they were all baaaddddd.

[LanternWaste]

92. Does that apply to politics, too?

"I would consider that "pushy." And rude."

Does that apply to politics, too? If someone attempts to evangelize to you re: politics, is that also considered pushy and/or rude (e.g., political canvassers)? Is it rude when we do it?

[slackmaster]

41. The only time I can recall being castigaged by a "vegetarian" was by the teenage daughter of a GF

The girl, pardon my bluntness here, was a 17-year-old tub o' lard potato chip devouring, diet soda swilling, so-called vegetarian who refused to take out the trash or wash the family dishes because she claimed it grossed her out too much.

Anyone familiar with The Big Kitchen restaurant in San Diego will appreciate this statement about the girl: I know only two people who are flaky enough to have gotten fired from The Big Kitchen. She's one of them. The other one is a meth addict.

[DefenseLawyer]

42. I'm pretty sure there are self righteous pricks across the diet spectrum

The determining factor being that he or she is a self righteous prick, not that he or she does or does not eat meat.

[slackmaster]

43. Yup, try telling some people that it's OK to put beans in chili

Those are considered fighting words by some Texans I know.

[ScreamingMeemie]

44. Every group has its overzealous ones...

Vegans/Vegetarians-we have our own personal zealot, whom we just ignore.

Meat eaters

The religious/the non religious... all of them do their personal cause no great service.

[defendandprotect]

46. I don't think we want to become FUNDI like in trying to awaken the public . . .

but I don't think that most of us are passive about it either ---

As animal-eaters are making the planet ill, we all have a large stake in this issue ---

[AngryAmish]

47. you must not get out much

[The Doctor.]

50. What do you have against apple pie?!?

:D

[fishwax]

51. I have -- but I have seen pushy meat eaters much more frequently

[RufusTFirefly]

53. Dupe deleted

[RufusTFirefly]

54. I'm vegetarian and have met pushy vegetarians

More curious (and annoying) however is the way my being a vegetarian becomes the focus of discussion when I'm visiting friends and family out East (I live in California). Quite strange. I'm rarely asked about it out here. Most people just go with the flow. But out there? Look out! I'm bombarded with questions and concerns. Some of the questions are borne out of genuine curiosity, I'm sure. But others seem rather passive aggressive (the overblown concern that I'm not getting enough protein, for example).

It reminds me of the experience of an Asian-American friend who moved to a place in the Midwest and was routinely stopped by people (Caucasian people) who wanted to take her picture. Why? Because they'd never seen a "Chinese person" before! That's kind of how it feels when I visit the East coast. Like her though, I try to be respectful, even though the focus quickly grows tiresome.

[whopis01]

55. Well you will never be able to honestly say that again. n/t

[gateley]

56. When I was vegan and pretty much eating totally organic,

I felt better than I ever had in my LIFE! I have to admit, I was very enthusiastic, but I didn't push it.

And how the mighty fall. After a year of feeling on top of the world, I went back home to Seattle for my niece's wedding, and my first stop off the plane was Dick's. I didn't know if I wanted a cheeseburger or a special, so I had BOTH. Fellow Seattle natives will understand. :7

Now I can't afford to eat vegan and organic, but as soon as I can, I'm going back to that way of eating.

[Toucano]

57. Well I have met a couple.

They are likely "newbies" because there's no fervor greater than that of the recently converted.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

58. Vegetarian equals 35% meat byproducts

in some of the "vegetarian" meat I've seen here in Germany. I think the entire concept of vegetarian, let alone vegan, will become mainstream (and probably never the subject of social commentary by others) in another five or ten years. I love reading DU to remind me of all the extremism going on back home.

[tblue37]

61. Teenage vegetarians and vegans are often pushy and

obnoxious about their moral superiority. My son was a vegan from the time he was 14 until he was 21. He used to stand by me as I cooked meat for my daughter and myself snarling, "Meat is murder!"

Some people choose moral crusades not because they are particualrly moral,but ebcause they enjoy bullying others. Teens often enjoy such postures. My son is now a major carnivore. He started eating meat again when he was 21, and now sneers at people who practice vegetarianism or veganism.

My adult daughter is a vegetarain now, not for "moral" reasons, but because she is a doctor, and she can't ebar to eat anything that looks like something she has disected. She also does it to control ehr cholesterol.

During my son's vegan years, his vegan friends were also pretty obnoxious about their moral superiority. I never resented having to prepre special meals for him when he was a vegan, but I did resent being insulted about my own diet. Similarly, I am quite happy to prepare special meals for my daughter when she visits. But at least she doesn't try to browbeat me for the fact that I still eat meat. (I don't eat meat that often, and when I do, I don't eat much meat, but I do eat some.)

Bullies come in all varieties. I have known vegan bullies, and meat-eating bullies. My kids' dad has always gotten nasty about their special diets when he has prepared food for them, refusing to offer them vegetarian food. I think nastiness is nasty, even when it wraps itself in a moral banner.

[NeedleCast]

71. Excellent Post

[Lorien]

62. Same here. I don't eat mammals, and I've gotten a lot of shit for that

even before I stopped eating mammals I remember being invited to someones house for dinner. She said "I'm fixing veal, and if you have some kinda problem with that for whatever reason, then I suggest you go get yourself a salad someplace else". She hardly knew me at the time, but I didn't bother getting to know her any better!

[cobalt1999]

64. I wish I was so lucky.

Luckily the ones who are out to convert the "unwashed masses" are a small minority of vegetarians.

Vegans out to convert don't call it converting folks though, they are out to "educate" folks. Same as the born-again religious nuts, all out to educate the "ignorant".

[eridani]

65. When reporters ask Dennis Kucinich about being vegan--

--he always says "Is this interview supposed to be for the food section?"

[litlady]

66. I've been a vegetarian for 15 years and never bothered anyone.

Some meat eaters have been rude to me, but then again so have some religious people.

[ZombieHorde]

67. I agree 100%

edit to add: Many meat eaters are threatened my non meat eaters.

[Starry Messenger]

68. My brother and about half of my friends are vegetarian.

In fact I just assume people are vegetarian unless directed otherwise. But I live in the Bay Area. We quickly learn that picking off the pepperoni on a pizza does not make it vegetarian. :)

I myself am a meat eater, but I have young students tell me I "look" like a vegetarian which is kind of funny.

MPK

[graywarrior]

72. Kucinich is vegan

[Critters2]

75. That pushy bastard!!! nt

[graywarrior]

76. He's outta control!

It's the tofu!!!!

[Critters2]

77. Lack of protein and b-vitamins will do that to ya...

makes a person want to do things like impeaching criminals. Them vegans is QUAZY!! :crazy:

[graywarrior]

78. They've got carrots and daikons for brains

Not to mention the gas from all those beans

[LeftyMom]

86. He's speaking at a conference I'm going to next month.

:bounce:

[musicblind]

74. That is true! I was told this past week that vegetarianism causes CANCER!

When I looked it up, I found the opposite to be true, and the person tried to tell me that all those scientists were lying and it really did cause cancer because vegetables were more processed than meat.

[Maine-ah]

79. saw a bumper sticker the other night...

Save A Cow....Eat A Vegitarian....







Hey, I'm just reporting what I saw....

:hide:

[Raine]

82. I have and I'm a vegetarian myself

I've been one since I was 9 yrs old (and I'm 57 now) but I've met plenty who are so self-righteous and arrogant they give all vegetarians a bad name. :-( You're lucky that you haven't met them.


Edit: wanted to add I'm a Californian too I live in Los Angeles County. In all the time I've been a vegetarian I've actually come across only one obnoxious meat eater who belittled me. I've found meat eaters to be more polite than vegetarians, sadly.

[Zomby Woof]

83. I have

When I worked at a bookstore in Seattle, some years back.

There were two, and they would do it passively-aggressively (a classic Pac-NW trait), talking loudly during their lunch break on topics such as how long meat takes to rot in your colon, and so forth. The rise in their voice volume was a nice touch, I have to admit.

Sometime during all this, Odwalla got busted for e.coli in their non-pasteurized fruit juices. Then the catalyst of the pair who talked up their vegetarian habits quit, and the smug breakroom chit-chat died off, along with the belief that immortality and Perfect Health can be found in one's food choices.

I have yet to meet a meat-eater who has given anyone shit about being vegans/vegetarians. They usually have a "hey, more for me" attitude, or resounding indifference. I for one don't give a shit what anyone sticks in their piehole. Although still an omnivore, I've greatly reduced my meat intake over the past several years, as I acknowledge that Improved Health is attainable, while Perfect Health is not.

But there's one place in my experience where food sniping goes on all the time, from all sides of the debate. Right here. In threads like these. But I would never claim my experience is normal or typical, and make some grand extrapolation out of it.

[uppityperson]

84. I have, and I was a pushy vegetarian @ one point also.

I've met people who are militant vegetarians, militant vegans, and militant omnivores. And when I was younger and in my moralistic vegetarian phase, was pushy about it.

Now, it takes all types, but I don't know anyone who is a carnivore (eats just meat).

[Common Sense Party]

85. I've met a few. My sister is cool, she never pushes it, and she even

cooks some great BBQ and other meat meals when we're over.

But I've met a few proseltyzers. Some get mad when I say I used to be vegetarian, but converted.

[Blue-Jay]

91. Bullshit.

You've met pushy meat-eaters? I doubt it. Did they try to force a hot dog down your throat?

[girl gone mad]

94. They're out there.

Just tune into any thread that suggests meat might be unhealthy in large quantities or factory farming is damaging the environment and local ecologies. The virulently anti-vegetarian crowd on DU is a force to reckon with.

[Blue-Jay]

96. No meat-eater has ever accused me of being an immoral criminal.