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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:28 PM Original message |
The U.S. Air Force helped with the production of the film "United 93" |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. they are happy to help, but only it it promotes their agenda. anti-war films get no help |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. How was that propaganda? Let me tell you about the good old days, |
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Bob Dobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. "I bet the script wasn't too far afield of what actually happened. " |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. So you tell me what really happened. nt |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Goodness, you want to argue logic with Bob Dobbs? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. ROFL! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. And you would lose that bet |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. The US military routinely rents out miliary equip./bases/ etc. to film crews. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Wrong. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. PBS recently had a whole dialogue on this w/a producer. Um..where do you |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:25 PM Original message |
I'm sure there's a market for old tanks, which... |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
59. I revised my response to the poster below yours. See the link. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. You are wrong |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
56. I stand corrected...here is the link to the radio program I listened to recently |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. How many of those that responded so far actually saw the film? |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I did. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Wow. I loved it. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. That's just how I am |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. i saw it and i don't think it painted a picture of a very competent government. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Agreed nt |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Agreed -- and many of the military were played by the actual people |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. no kidding? I was hesitant to see it at first because i had read here of course it |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I was pilloried for my support of both the writer-director and te movie back then |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. sorry that happened. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. What does that have to do with the quality of the film or it's accuracy? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Do you know what "Bloody Sunday" is? |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Is it a documentary or is it a scripted drama? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. It's a scripted drama |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. If it didn't promote the DoD agenda |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Did you see the film? nt |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I own it. Seen it several times. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
62. He had the cockpit breached, because they believed that happened at the time the film was produced |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Did the movie include Mark Bingham's cell phone call to his mom? |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. how so, maybe you saw a different movie than i did. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Maybe appearing incompetent is the DoD agenda. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. The movie 'Enemy of the State' got full cooperation from the NSA and the CIA. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. They certainly didn't portray an F-16 shooting down a Flight 93 |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 06:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. That post explains a lot |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. What exactly does that mean? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Me -- I'm a big fan of Greengrass' work and his politics |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. So you admit that you came into this discussion with a biased opinion. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. And you didn't? |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Absolutely not, I cited the military's website in the OP. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. ... |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. ... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
8. Great movie -- written and directed by a real Lefty |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. It doesn't have to be RW to be propaganda. n/t |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. So the Air Force would help a LW propaganda film? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Of course I saw the movie. You can read my review... |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I read it. The whole thing. There is no discussion of the movie itself |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Are you going to call into question the honesty of every person who didn't like the film? |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Well, did you? nt |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Read post #39 |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. ... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Did you? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. (and it also doesn't have to be LW to be propaganda, either.) |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. I never said it was RW propaganda. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. Duh! |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Did you see the movie? |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. No n/t |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. well that makes you quite the expert doesn't it! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
27. An article about "United 93" and its propaganda functions... |
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Bob Dobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Obviously. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 06:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
64. The film was made by a total lefty Brit -- the most jingoist people of them all |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
31. The whole thing is pure "feel good" fluff |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Did you see the film? |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Yes I did |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
47. I FUCKIN' KNEW IT! Damn. Script research and dialogue assistance. That's unbelievable. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Ironman was granted access. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. Oh, it was manipulative as hell. No surprise at all. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
60. Umm, ya think? |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Do you even know what the word "propaganda" means? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. I assumed you meant propaganda for some sinister right wing agenda |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. Seven Days In May (1964) and Thirteen Days (2000) were denied DoD |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
73. Greengrass went out of his way to keep the movie sterile to appease right wingers |
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