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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:15 PM Original message |
Nader's statement has haunted me - Are we political slaves to a two party system? |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. People who continue to quote nuts like Nader haunt me |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I think the statement has merit - it isn't about Nader - he is just who said it |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Yeah . . . let's not credit Nader . . . |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. This isn't about Nader - |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. If you notice, you have elicited .... |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. gee what a surprise coming from you |
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The Gunslinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
62. Nader has more democratic ideals than Obama |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
67. Ralph Nader isn't a nut. Most of what he says is right on. Our two party system is sick and needs |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Nader didn't have to say it, most folks with any awareness |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. ...but they certainly don't ACT as though they "can see that" . . . !!! |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. I' m not. |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. We have more than two parties |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Not in the current system of campaign fundng. And using Perot |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
93. It's less about funding |
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Peregrine (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Why does it make sense to build a 3rd party from the top? |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. That's a good point |
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Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. but no other party *can be viable |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. . . . the two parties have pretty much blocked third parties . . . |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
60. You seem to have bought into the medias contention |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. In truth, yes we are. |
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greendog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. We are political slaves to the corporate media. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Excellent point --- don't watch TV --- and who watches those idiotic political ads????? |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. Nader's been right |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Absolutely . . . and if we're going to figure out way out of this dark alley . .. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. the statement seems to me as moronic as its author |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Let me suggest to you that anger often blocks learning . . . |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. it's a conspiracy, eh? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. If Democrats not working to ensure that we don't have future steals . . . |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Again, this isn't about Nader. This is about democrats being corrupted by the system |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. my post was not all about Nader either |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. It is about being betrayed by Democrats . . . |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. is there an echo in here? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. That's puerile nonsense -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. . . . . but it is about leaders having the courage to point this out --- !!! |
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texasleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
14. We can have two parties, or just one. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. two would be nice, |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
15. Take a look back at 1912 to see why we're stuck |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. You nailed it. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Not if we had IRV voting --- and I can't believe that so few here seem to understand it -- ??!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Teddy Roosevelt called for "barring corporations from any participation whatsoever in our elections" |
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followthemoney (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
63. If the two parties were more concerned with the public interest... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
78. that summary isn't very fair to Taft |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 05:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
80. This could be predictive of what will happen in Florida's CD 19 |
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dbt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yes, we are--slaves to the ILLUSION. |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. It's not that there "is no difference," clearly there is. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Basically, what you're doing is asking elites in the Democratic Party to save you from . . . |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Deleted message |
Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Democrats throw us a few scraps in terms of domestic issues, but the big daddy issues.. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
68. Excellent response. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
90. that was well put |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. I'm completely with you...gird your loins and prepare to get lambasted you "purity troll" |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yes, we are. |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Yes we are trapped in a Two Party System even though |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Thanks, I think you've got the idea. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. More Nader ignorance . . . |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. I agree that Al Gore won. That doesn't change the fact |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. This badly needs to be an OP |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. So --- OKay . . . let's talk about that more . . . We need IRV voting . . . |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. Yes. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
44. yes. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
45. Are we political slaves to a two party system? |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
49. Of course we are. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
51. Since we don't have a parliamentary system of government, |
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comrade snarky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
77. Yep |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 05:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
81. Yep. And with parliamentary systems you generally get center/left or |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
52. What Nader couldn't tell you is that ... |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I am conflicted about Nada because I agree with almost |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
56. yes |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
57. A short answer to your question: DUH... er, I mean: YES. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
59. with presidential instead of parliamentary system, yes. But any notion that only 2 parties |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
61. People can have viable "third parties" anytime they want. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Wrong. The current system is structurally rigged |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. If you believe that.. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Not possible in 21st Century America |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
65. Great and timely topic! |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-08 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. Maybe. But Nader isn't helping. n/t |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
71. The answer lately is yes. We are in a sort of trap. |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. The Green Party has tried real hard to change the Electoral |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. The two parties control the rules of the game. |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 06:00 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Problem with "Green Party" in my area is it attracts too many single issue thinkers. |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
74. Ask yourself this. |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
75. In order to have a viable 3rd party, 3rd party candidates need to start running |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 06:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Yes. Nader running every 4 yrs is just about Nader, not about any 3rd party. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
76. if we weren't, we would have much, much better candidates n/t |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
79. Yes we are. |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
84. There's nothing wrong with a two-party system. The question is: Which two parties? |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
85. When there're viable 3rd parties it becomes easier for existing parties to totally self-destuct. |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
86. Can any rational thinker doubt the veracity of Vonnegut when... |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. The politicians are there to give you the illusion that you have a choice....you don't |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
87. i'm not familiar with the statement to which you refer, |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
88. The Two Party System is a huge problem and is part of the problem |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
89. When WE fail we try making up excuses for our own screw ups... |
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asteroid2003QQ47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Are you, like me, tempted? |
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