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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:48 PM
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Is the Alaska of Sarah Palin like that of 50's Author of "Peyton Place" Grace Metalious?
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 08:51 PM by KoKo01
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BIOGRAPHY of Grace Metalious...a very interesting read for the times BEFORE WOMENS' RIGHT TO CHOOSE....at.........

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0582374/bio

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Peyton Place by Grace Metalious

In 1956, a woman from middle class Manchester, New Hampshire wrote a book that shocked the nation. At 32 years old, Grace Metalious wrote the blockbuster novel Peyton Place. It transformed the publishing industry and made the author one of the most talked about people in the nation. Metalious wrote about incest, abortion, sex, rape, adultery, repression, lust, and the secrets of small town New England, things that were never discussed before in conservative America. She interpreted incest, wife beating, and poverty as social failures instead of individual flops. When Metalious published Peyton Place, the country was in the grasp of a new wave of sexual panic.

The book turned the “private” into the “political.” The avant-garde disturbed the country and critics called the book “wicked,” “sordid,” and “cheap.” Canada declared it indecent and made the importation of the book illegal. Parts of Rhode Island, Indiana, and Nebraska followed suit arguing that the book would corrupt young minds. Wealthy communities banished Peyton Place. To read Peyton Place was to read it in secret and were sometimes discussed only among the closest of friends. Everyone was reading it – college and high school students, college graduates, mothers, wives, and even husbands and fathers. In 1956, a sexual act such as sodomy, oral sex, and intercourse with another married person in most states was illegal. Also, abortion was illegal, and birth control was unreliable and in many cases, difficult to find. To many critics, Metalious’ book was not scandalous because of its case in point, but because of the sexual pleasures that were received and given by the female characters. Peyton Place begins with Indian summer in 1939. It takes place in a very descriptive, postcardesque New England town. The main story focuses on three women characters and their underlying search for their identities as sexual women in small town America. Allison Mackenzie is the bastard daughter of Constance Mackenzie who had an affair with a married man. She illegally changed Allison’s birth certificate and lied to the Peyton Place locals that her husband died. Connie didn’t want any of the town folk to find out the truth that the father of her child was a married man because she would become the town gossip of ridicule. She kept this secret to herself, and only to herself until an argument between her and Allison occurred when Connie thought Allison was having sex with one of her friends, and so she lashed out the truth to Allison. As a child, Allison was always teased about being childish, and not interested in boys, and always into books. But as she grew up she was full of conflicting sexual emotions, and after graduating high school, she left Peyton Place to pursue a writing career in New York.

Connie Mackenzie, to her neighbors, was a beautiful, young, widow that owned her own thrift store. Many eligible bachelors Everyone had a desire for her and wished to have her, until Thomas Makris, a teacher from New York City arrives into town to take the job of headmaster at the Peyton Place grade school. Thomas pursues Connie and terrified that he knows her secret, she avoids him. He shows up at her house one night and persuades her to a date, which leads to him raping her. They stay together and end up in marriage. As the third main female character, Selena Cross is probably the most significant. She was the same age as Allison. She lived in a shack with her little brother Joey, deranged mother and alcoholic stepfather, Lucas Cross. She lived an abusive life with Lucas drinking, beating her mother, beating her, and sexually violating her. He gets Selena pregnant and she secretly gets an illegal abortion from the town doctor, who forces Lucas to disappear from Peyton Place and never come back or everyone will know what he did to his daughter. Selena works at Connie’s store and becomes manager when her mother, stricken with cancer, commits suicide. In 1944, during a snowstorm, Lucas Cross, now part of the U.S. Navy, shows up at Selena’s house drunk and coming on to her. One thing leads to another and she kills him, and her and Joey bury him in the sheep pen. Metalious based Selena’s sexual abuse on Jane Glenn, a local girl who confessed in 1947 to killing her father and burying him, with the help of her younger brother, in the barn. Her mother died ten years before, and she told police that her father threatened her, and had been sexually molesting her since she was thirteen. Newspapers never mentioned the words incest, rape, or sexual abuse, instead using phrases as “sordid details”, “molested”, and unhappy childhood.” Selena is then caught and put on trial.

Grace Metalious’ Peyton Place had a big impact on American society. The novel changed the way people viewed poverty, sexual abuse, and sex. Before, the performance of women during sex was more like a “grin and bear it” situation. It opened many new doors and gave a push for the sexual revolution and feminist movement. She introduced the issues of poverty, bigotry, the town drunk, and the town bully, underpaid teachers, and sexually repressed girls and boys. This book became so important in the way of life that there was a movie made and a television miniseries that starred Mia Farrow and lasted for 4 years. Unfortunately, Grace Metalious died a few months before the show aired at the age of 39 from a “chronic liver disease.” Peyton Place is such a significant factor in literary history because it crossed a barrier from conservative to raunchy, bad books.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:49 PM
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1. Alaska is quite different from any other place in the USA except
Hawaii. I actually love Alaska and it's people in spite of their misguided politics.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:52 PM
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2. Are the "sexual relations" as backwards as 1950's America in both places?
you didn't say what you say. I hope you will share what you saw in both places.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:14 PM
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6. I never had sex with any of them so how would I know? n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:43 PM
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11. You know I wonder how many small towns across America still have
the same stuff that went on in the 50's. Minus the coathanger abortions how much has changed? The wealthy cover up everything and move on because they have money...and the rest in small towns still have to deal with relatives knowing and gossip and try to do "cover ups."

For many who live in Cities that are more open ...things can get taken care of ...but like with our health care an "unintended pregnancy" doesn't offer a choice to those who have no funds if their decision is not to continue the pregnancy. So, there are probably still families who "cover up" and make do...and if it's their choice then that's what it is. But if it's funds in the first couple of months that could make a difference then what happens?

This is different from Palin because she could have covered up for her daughter if she still remained Govenor and felt it best for her daughter to claim the baby as her own for health insurance and her daughters well being...(what mothers do for their kids) but if it's her daughters baby and she used him as a Trophy Baby to work her way into McCain's Team to be his VEEP then that's another matter. She deserves to be outed when her ambitions allowed her to use what she covered up that was at that time private (even though she lied as a Governor) ...but still to become a VEEP choice over this, if it's true, would put it at another whole level of lying. It becomes "self-serving" and not "protective."
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:51 PM
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13. True, but that's all "blame the woman" for her sexuality.
When the rich go along with it because of what people think, it only perpetuates this. Yes, it still goes on, and as long as women go along with it, it will.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:06 PM
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18. I've never understood why the "partner" to this day never has
accountability. It's always on the woman...as to what to do, not do or live. It's almost never discussed about the role of responsibility for both partners. And, I worry that we are going back to the 50's looking at what passes for entertainment on the Cables and the constant stories about "bad women" that seem to be obsession of media...when they aren't going after Democrats.

Maybe a new generation has to "relearn" the lessons of the past. Much as much as we think move forward it's never so much in reality. I never thought I'd ever have to live through the insanity of the Bush II years and the rise of the Right Wing Fundamentalists as I was lulled by what I thought was "progress" in the 60's and 70's.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:58 PM
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3. KoKo, go to Alaska.
It's a gorgeous place, but it's very different from say, Manhattan or Denver. It is called "The Last Frontier" for a reason. GO THERE. This political shit means nothing. McCain is using it. Go to Alaska.

:hug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:01 PM
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4. lol's....it would have to "green up alot" for me to get there...ahh...that cold and those politics
:scared: and a shiver.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:13 PM
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5. What do you mean by "green up a lot"?
Do you know they kicked out the lumber companies at a great loss of jobs to make them stop cutting down their forests. Yes, the oil companies have them sort of drinking kool-aid but that can be changed once you sell them the idea that the oil companies are as evil and the lumber companies. They didn't care for what the Exxon-Valdez spill did for them.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:22 PM
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7. Thank you!
VALDEZ
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:33 PM
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10. I just meant it would have to get "warmer" .....sorry pitiful joke about Global Warming
since I live in a warm climate now...and was glad to get out of the cold of New England. Sorry if I offended you.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:47 PM
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12. KoKo01 you don't offend me. We've known each other too long.
I just wondered what you meant?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:00 PM
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14. No problem...
I was trying to make a joke about warmth that came over badly...

:hug:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:24 PM
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8. Green up?
You haven't seen green until you have been to Alaska!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:09 PM
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15. A friend of mine took an Alaska Cruise...it was beautiful she said
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 10:10 PM by KoKo01
but very cold. One of the treats was to take a helicopter out onto one of the famous Glaciers (I forget which one) but, although she was scared to death of the helicopter...she thought it was a "once in a life experience" and got through it and thought it was incredible. There was much beauty, but like me she likes warmer climates and was cold the whole trip. She loved the scenery...and a native Alaskan village she visited... But, it was rough for that Jersey/New York girl...although definitely an incredible experience she was glad to have been able to do.

I'm sure it's different living there where there are many more things to see and experience than a "cruise" would expose one to, though.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:24 PM
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16. I have hundreds of pictures I could show you.
And I also have some writings of the people who live there. It's a place gorgeous beyond description, but most people there don't have any money, and some of them are still living off of the land and its other animal inhabitants.

Some people still make their subsistence by trapping small animals. They are that broke. Some people have no running water or electricity.

Don't go on a cruise. Go there and meet some fellow DUers who live there. You will never regret it!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:58 PM
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17. Thanks.....
I can relate in a way...growing up in rural South were folks did hunt and eat what they killed to live...Ate stuff that we wouldn't think about today (possum, rattlesnake, squirrels, chittlins (guts),hog's head brains along with deer). At that time it was common. But, I don't know that we need to do it to live today...in most of the booming South or urban areas most places in the "lower 48." So, hunting is not something I can deal with...except maybe to give a nod to folks who see deer hunting as tradition...and without any preditors (they've been killed off) deer culling is considered sound practice around here, these days.. There are resort areas in the South where they just sterilize the deer...I'm not sure if that's worse...but folks don't like killing them in those places so that's considered the way to go so the golfers and beachgoers don't have to have hunters toting guns all over the place interfering with the tourists in the Fall.

Post your pictures sometime...maybe in the Alaska forum and PM me if you get them up. Where in Alaska do you live?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:32 PM
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9. I used to live in Gilmanton Iron Works, NH. aka Peyton Place.

and I don;t know the answer to your question.
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