Ron Paul - Counter Convention in Minneapolis - Kicking Bush's Ass Right now

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Paul is speaking now. Just said no Iran invasion. No bases near Russia. Paul got a lot of votes. He's a bigger problem for McCain than Palin. http://www.rallyfortherepublic.tv/">Live video coverage & commentary - Paul is speaking right now - oops, it's over. Continues tomorrow with Bruce Fein, Kevin Phillips, ripping Bush and McCain.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00022.htm

Tuesday, 2 September 2008, 9:01 am
Column: Michael Collins

M. Collins: Ron Paul's Rally for the Republic Challenges McCain,
Imperial Republicans

August 31 - September 2nd, Minneapolis, Minnesota Link


Michael Collins
"Scoop" Independent Media
Washington, DC

There's a bold new look to the Republican Convention in Minnesota and it's not the former Miss Alaska aspirant Gov. Susan Palin, McCain's surprise choice for vice president.d

The http://rally.campaignforliberty.com/">Rally for the Republic will celebrate the candidacy of Ron Paul (R-TX) for president and the broader movement of Republicans fed up with the degradation of governance and the nation under the Bush-Cheney regime. This is a significant event given Paul's performance in the presidential primaries.

Snip

Paul started out by winning 10% of the popular vote in New Hampshire, three points behind McCain's 13%. He placed second in the following primaries (by state population): Pennsylvania (16%), Indiana (8%), Oregon (15%), Nevada (14% caucus), New Mexico (14%), Nebraska (13%), Idaho (24%), Montana (22% - primary), Montana (25% caucus), South Dakota (17%).

Snip

Commenting in the House of Representatives on the "war on terror," Paul said,

"It's deliberately vague and non definable to justify and permit perpetual war anywhere under any circumstances. Don't forget the Iraqis and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with any attack against us, including that on 9/11." Snip

If Paul supporters stay home or coalesce around a third party candidate, it will have a substantial impact on McCain and his running mate. The expected bump in Alaska will hardly compensate.

More: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00022.htm

http://www.rallyfortherepublic.tv/">Live video coverage & commentary - Paul is speaking now

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1. No more Patriot Act, no more FISA expansion, no Real ID Act

Will he announce a third party?

[PeaceNikki]

6. Let's hope never.

He's dangerous and infuckingsane.

[melody]

2. I think McPain just got his answer from Ron Paul to the "unity" talks

lol

Gramps is just having a really bad week ... yet again.

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14. Quite a week

Paul's worse than Palin because he has a movement. She's just whatever, but these people will be around.

There's this interesting group of voters that are called "constitutionalists." They vote primarily on constitutional issues. It's a lot of Democrats plus most all of the Paul supporters and some other paleo-cons who are= not aligned with Paul.

A minus for McCain is a plus for Obama.

[PeaceNikki]

3. He's still a complete right-wing nutbag.

[givemebackmycountry]

4. He is that...No doubt, but he's harmless to us...

But, he's BIG trouble for the Right Wing and their little fascist party in the Twin Cities.

Compared to Denver last week, this looks more like a fight at a swingers party.

[PeaceNikki]

5. A possible 3rd party candidate is not harmless.

He's right on a couple of issues, but SO VERY wrong on so VERY many important issues.

Immigration
Gay Rights
Church-State Separation
International Relations
Worker rights
Campaign finance reform
Universal health care
abortion law
against public funding of schools, head start, college assistance, medicare, medicaid.
against social security.
for unfettered gun control.
and Privatizing everything

[philly_bob]

23. Exactly. It's just that the issues Ron Paul is right on are so important.

(1) Iraq. (2) Constitutional issues like privacy & separation of church and state. (3) The Drug War. (4) Balancing the national budget.

A lot of well-meaning people are attracted by Ron Paul's stand on these things. I consider the Bush/Cheney neocons to be irredeemably evil traitors, but libertarians (like Paul) are merely misguided citizens muddled by ideology.

As you point out, on the other issues in your list, Paul is dead wrong on those. If Ron Paul was the Republican candidate, the problems in those positions would have come out in the Republican vs. Democratic debates. It would have been an interesting national discussion of important issues, like the role of government and the efficiency of free markets.

But those issues didn't come up in the Republican vs. Republican debates because most of those right-wingers agreed with him about them, and the networks and moderators froze Paul out.

I think DU should be respectful and welcoming towards Ron Paul "refugees", and patient with their shallow free market ideology.

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11. Right! Bush has to attend by video conference, they've got a real strange one for VP,

the Paul people may have 15,000 at their anti Bush gala, and it's a big mess.

Paul's folks, who cross geographic boundaries plus the further decline of the rural/red vote (from 23% of total votes in 2000 to 16% in 2004) means that McCain is in huge trouble.

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7. Bush and McCain are the Mayors of Disturbia. Read Paul on Iraq, Iran and foreign wars

He's a true anti war candidate. I don't care for the domestic social programs, however, on constitutional issues - FISA, Patriot Act, RealID - he's strongly against them.

Look at the numbers and the opportunity with some real contact at the higher levels.

Commenting in the House of Representatives on the "war on terror," Paul said,

"It's deliberately vague and non definable to justify and permit perpetual war anywhere under any circumstances. Don't forget the Iraqis and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with any attack against us, including that on 9/11.

"Americans no longer need be killed or maimed and Americans no longer need to kill Iraqi's. We've had enough of both." U.S. House of Representatives

There has to be a dialog. He's not going to support Bush. His votes can go to Barr by a long shot or they can come to the only other choice, the Dem ticket. Worth some talking, imho.

[PeaceNikki]

8. The war is not the only issue on which I vote and I don't appreciate you campaigning for him here

Where is he on:
Immigration?
Gay Rights?
Church-State Separation?
International Relations?
Worker rights?
Campaign finance reform?
Universal health care?
abortion law?
public funding of schools, head start, college assistance, medicare, medicaid?
against social security?
for unfettered gun control?
and Privatizing everything?


Nutfucking bag and he should crawl back under his rock.

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9. Ii was waiting for that. Ignorance is bliss...let all those votes disappear.

I already said I didn't agree on domestic issues, now you're listing them.

The article is about what's in the box, ultimately. The Paul people are going somewhere away from McCain - Bob Barr should not be the only beneficiary.

[PeaceNikki]

12. I listed a dozen issues that Paul is on the wrong side of and you call me ignorant?

:rofl:

Whatever, dude. RonPaulUnderground is that way ---->

[Damian the LHP]

20. Slow down, son.

That Kool-Aid will drown you if you're not careful.

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22. This is an article about an affront to McCain and the impactd it will have on the election

All of which is good for Obama. If there are zero Paul supporters supporting Obama, the net result
is still beneficial. They add on to the disaffected rural base, many of whom stayed home in 2004 as
compared to 2000.

I read that blog your referred to in another reply. It's thorough and very interesting if I were
not or ever had considered casting a vote for any Republican, which has yet to happen. It has
nothing to do wiht Paul's electoral impact, which is quite significant.

So because you think that Paul is just awful, I'm supposed to avoid discussing him with regad to the
election and the phenomena of a parallel Republican convention across the river in Minneapolis. And
for the same reason, I'm supposed to refrain from noting this - all these voters with only Bob Barr
to take their votes:

"Paul started out by winning 10% of the popular vote in New Hampshire, three points behind McCain's
13%. He placed second in the following primaries (by state population): Pennsylvania (16%), Indiana
(8%), Oregon (15%), Nevada (14% caucus), New Mexico (14%), Nebraska (13%), Idaho (24%), Montana
(22% - primary), Montana (25% caucus), South Dakota (17%)."

The fact that I discuss this major event in the demise of the Republican Party and document it
as a few others have done, means I've drunk the Cool Aid. That's not only completely unjustified
by anything you read in the article, it's entirely unfair and a the creation of an opinion that
I don't share.

[Beam Me Up]

24. I don't see many Paul people being lured by the Democrats.

Some, perhaps, who identified as Democrats before becoming interested in the Paul message. I know many of those are turning toward the Green Party, however, because of McKenny's stance on the 9/11 investigation issue. But most of them don't trust the Democrats any more than they do the neocon Republicans.

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[malaise]

10. Are the police spraying them with pepper spray

and arresting them?

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13. That's horrible out there. There was some march listed on their program against torture.

You have a good point.

I'm sick to death of the police arresting somebody at every demonstration. I mean Denver was 80% for Kerry. Who runs the place. They arrested 12 Iraq Vets Against the War. Why?

I liked Sen. Abe Ribicoff's (D-CT) comments at Chicago, 1968, from the podium - he really nailed Daily and the police in Chicago for starting a riot!

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19. I couldn't find anyting on that but I'll emali or call into one of their shows.

Let you know.

[Alwayshere]

15. Paul is ok

I'm not crazy about him but he's a maverick. A REAL maverick.

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16. Welcome to DU!!!

Right, he opposes the centerpieces of all things Bush - the war on terror and the Iraq invasion. That must really rankle the White House. Now he's in their face having a counter convention. I saw a couple of the groups that they had and the music was very good, much better than they'll have at the RNC across the river in the other Twin City, St. Paul.

It's fair to say that the Pauli's are gone from the Republican Party forever.

[Damian the LHP]

18. He's also a racist.

A REAL racist.

Google "ron paul survival report" and find out the truth about the Jim Jones of 2008.

[PermanentRevolution]

21. Stormfront had a big Ron Paul poster outside the Obama rally I went to...

That says it all, as far as I'm concerned. He may be right on Iraq and a few other things, but any candidate with the enthusiastic backing of white supremacist groups is dangerous. If he helps siphon off votes from McCain somehow, great. But beyond that, he's not getting any support from me.

[Blue_Tires]

28. +1

[Hubert Flottz]

25. I know some hard core, life long, GOPers who voted for Ron Paul

in their state primaries and they swear up and down that they plan to vote for OBAMA in the general election. They have "HAD IT" they said. I hope so, because I've felt kind of bad about hating people in my own fam damnly.

Ron Paul was the cause of McCain carrying his own suit cases through airports in the early primaries...let's hope he can derail the McMadness in time to help us out in November. We Need ALL the HELP, WE Can Get!

It looks like the big darkkk storms of all kinds are adding up quickly against the Rabid Reich and I'm predicting a cat 22 Shitstorm for the Gramps&VAMP camp on November 4.

I can't wait to see the neoCons...become the neoConvicts. Ron Paul might be a dummy in many ways, but he's smart enough to know that justice is long overdue in Washington. I predict that Paul will raise holy hell if he thinks another election is stolen.

"Can you say Toast...I like the way you say that...Toast"(Fred's Ghost)

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30. Paul is going to toast McCain

I the 2nd half of his speech and he wants nothing to do with Bush so there goes 8-10% of the Republican base. That's a huge event but nobody is paying any attention but Rove. But there's absolutely nothing he can do to get these folks back. Zero.

[ColbertWatcher]

26. Ahhh HAHAHAHAHAHA! Awesome! n/t

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31. It's hard to feel sorry for the Republicans

They're sorry enough as it is. Say good bye to 10% of our base.

[ihavenobias]

27. Has there been any MSM coverage of this? There's no way it helps the R's overall...

That's fine by me.

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29. None to speak of

I asked a friend this morning what she thought about the Paul convention. Follows the presidential race closely. She said, "What?"

It's a real shame. They just can't stand Bush. They are gone, no way back. And there are lots of them.

But MSM thinks that if they don't cover it, it doesn't happen.

Wacky attitude but it's worked for them for decades.

[oldskool]

32. His movement

is a lot bigger than people think.It's in the tens of millions
and growing. But you won't hear that from M$M or the
pollsters.

[Damian the LHP]

33. No it's not.

That's pure spin by the Ron Cult. He's dead in the water.