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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:31 AM
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Poll question: Anarchists: Fifth column of the power elite?
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 08:33 AM by TechBear_Seattle
I watched some clips from St. Paul this morning, which showed masked "anarchists" smashing windows, beating on cars, overturning trashcans and generally wreaking havoc. What purpose does this serve, except to give the fascists in power a group they can point to and say, "See why we must curtail liberties? See why we must stay in power and protect you?"

So my question: Are anarchists a fifth column of the power elite and, if so, do the anarchists realize that they are being used as the poster children for why a totalitarian state is necessary for public safety?

Added I am fully aware that the anarchists represent a very small portion of those protesting at the RNC, and that most protesters are acting peaceably and within the boundaries of (just) laws. :hi:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:46 AM
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1. Other: They're not really anarchists
Anarchy is an intellectual movement, not a violent one. See Michael Bakunin, the Father of Anarchy.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:49 AM
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4. I would have been called out if I used quotes around anarchist
And anyway, I did not want to fall into the "no true Scotsman" fallacy by saying that real anarchists are non-violent. The groups perpetrating these acts of vandalism and terrorism call themselves anarchists, and therefore so will I.

:shrug:
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:48 AM
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2. I think some of them are for real, and others are infiltrators. nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:48 AM
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3. You are confusing anarchists with agents provocateur
And just creeps who like to break things.

Any even mildly leftist organizations get flooded with undercover agents provocateur who advocate violence.

An old lesson from the sixties and seventies protests is that the guy who volunteers to get the explosives is a government agent.

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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:51 AM
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5. They call themselves anarchists
Whether I agree with their use of that term is irrelevant.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:15 AM
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10. Yes, agents provocateur are going to out themselves..
:eyes:

And there are always idiots that take up names they think are cool sounding.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:55 AM
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7. yep, nt
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:52 AM
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6. Funny how the FBI successfully infiltrated the groups that document Police abuse...
but left the anarchists alone, huh?
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:58 AM
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8. The "Black Block" are the infiltrators.
They are the black ops who perpetrate property damage.

We were on the lookout for them in Denver and never found any. No property damage in Denver.

They were one of my targets as I documented the actions in Denver.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:06 AM
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9. Gigadittoes on the Black Ops
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 09:06 AM by SpiralHawk
Paid provocateurs.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:49 AM
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11. They get manipulated.
The elites know that Mr. and Mrs. Middle America fear nothing more than "barbarians" rampaging through the suburban streets. So they let them run riot through the streets, and then justify further crackdowns and elimination of civil liberties as the only way to provide an adequate defense against the seemingly teeming forces of chaos lurking just outside the door. In my opinion, an overwhelming majority of anarchists aren't in on this joke, they honestly believe that they are doing their part in attacking an inherently oppressive and corrupt system, they don't realize that their actions are being manipulated and used to justify that very system they are trying to attack.
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