Education For The Terminologically Ignorant: Police State

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Characteristics of a police state

Some characteristics of a police state include

* Government or government sponsored Surveillance of its citizens, especially to detect and punish disloyalty.
* Broad police powers and/or lack of protection of individual rights.
* Systemic silencing of critics of the ruling or policing authority.
* Secret police, especially to detect disloyalty to the ruling authority.
* Imprisonment for long periods without due process or access to the judicial system.
* A justice system who's primary function is convicting those the police or ruling authority
dislike.
* Pervasive police presence
* Police or other authorities running many aspects of individual citizen's lives.

Isolated incidents of police action that some perceive as abuse of power does not a police state make. Not even close.

Excerpt above taken from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state

[seemslikeadream]

1. Characteristics of a police state

http://www.urlfan.com/local/a_lovely_afternoon_stroll_through_the_police_state_of_st_paul_minnesota/97264891.html



THIS MUST STOP NOW


http://beltwayblips.com/story/connecting_the_dots_on_the_minnesota_police_state/






THIS MUST STOP NOW


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/97077/echoes_of_a_police_state_as_minnesota_activists_held_without_charge/




THIS MUST STOP NOW


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/97077/echoes_of_a_police_state_as_minnesota_activists_held_without_charge/




THIS MUST STOP NOW



http://thestressblog.com/2008/08/30/police-state-minnesota/




THIS MUST STOP NOW

[Lars39]

2. .

:rofl:

[LSK]

3. yes, EXACTLY what is going on at the RNC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3894314

Why are you continuing to show what a complete ignorant fool you are about this issue???

[Lerkfish]

4. um...

check
check
check
check
check
check
check
and
check.

you're not making your argument.

your litmus passes as a police state.

or are you not paying any attention?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. When Looking Though Rational, Rather Than Extremist,Eyes, Those Items On The List Ain't Close To

being checked.

Not even close.

[Lerkfish]

you never fail to cast yourself as rational and everyone else as extremist

maybe you should check into that continuing problem.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Wrong.

I only cast the extremists as extremists.

99% of the other people here I leave alone.

[seemslikeadream]

16. WRONG

OH SO VERY WRONG

[Lerkfish]

23. now, see, this is why I won't stand next to you in an electrical storm

LOL

[tblue37]

67. A society can easily slide into a police state, since these

authoritarian state behaviors occur on a continuum. If they are not stopped before they reach the extreme, they will reach the extreme. We won't be a free country on one day, and then a totalitarian police state the next. Instead, we will be, day by day, less free than we were, and then even less free, and then not free at all.

Complacency is not rational in the face of such progressively intensifying actions to deprive us of our Constitutional rights.

[seemslikeadream]

8. CHECK THE EYES OF THE journalists that were arrested

http://www.urlfan.com/local/a_lovely_afternoon_stroll_through_the_police_state_of_st_paul_minnesota/97264891.html



THIS MUST STOP NOW


http://beltwayblips.com/story/connecting_the_dots_on_the_minnesota_police_state/






THIS MUST STOP NOW


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/97077/echoes_of_a_police_state_as_minnesota_activists_held_without_charge/




THIS MUST STOP NOW


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/97077/echoes_of_a_police_state_as_minnesota_activists_held_without_charge/




THIS MUST STOP NOW



http://thestressblog.com/2008/08/30/police-state-minnesota/




THIS MUST STOP NOW

[LSK]

17. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE FACTS

:wtf:

[Hissyspit]

79. O.K. so it's a partial police state

or a subtle police state

or a new kind of police state

or a step toward a police state.

John Ashcroft would love you.

[LSK]

5. so the important thing for you is usage of the phrase "police state"

But you don't give a flying fuck about it actually happening????

Honesty, what on earth is the matter with you????????

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. Never Said I Didn't Care.

I haven't seen video of the journalists arrests yet, so I can't make an opinion. As far as the Goodman arrest, my comments are in the other thread.

[Lerkfish]

9. you can unequivocably announce there is no police state

but you withold judgement until you see a video.

:crazy:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. Of Course. It's Called Forging Opinion Based On Fact.

Fact: We are not a police state.

Fact: Until a video of the arrests is seen, there is not enough information available to make an educated assessment of what occurred.

See, it's called critical thinking and objectivity. I don't just knee jerk react like so many others do. I like to actually have facts.

[Lerkfish]

22. wow. you don't even have a clue how you sound, do you?

just go back over what you just said, and Imagine that I said it.

[Iggo]

47. BEST.REPLY.EVER.

:applause:

[LSK]

26. are the links in the other thread broken or something?????????

ON WHAT PLANET DOES ONE SAY THEY WANT THE FACTS, ARE GIVEN THE FACTS, AND THEN SAY THEY CANNOT MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT THE FACTS???????

ARE YOU CRAZY????????????

[Zhade]

65. No, that's circular reasoning based on an unproven premise.

NT!

[RadiationTherapy]

81. The police state will be televised? Really?

Insanity.

[seemslikeadream]

10. YOU DON'T CARE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT INFORMED YOURSELF

HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO READ DU?

[libnnc]

21. He doesn't read DU, silly...

he just posts bullshit.

[LSK]

12. maybe you should to watch videos of the arrest

and read about the pre-emptive police raids over the weekend instead of worrying about the exact definition of a few words.

[seemslikeadream]

13. HE CAN'T TAKE THE TIME TO BE INFORMED BECAUSE HE IS TOO BUSY

BEING OMC

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. What other thread?

(for those who may have missed it)

[seemslikeadream]

34. This one I think

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3904737&mesg_id=3904745

[Th1onein]

62. I see you're back to the old bullshit, OMC.

Every single one of your items can be checked. You know it. We know it. The world knows it.

But, Nooooooo! Only OMC is right!

Yeah, uh huh.

[Zhade]

66. He just likes being right. Even when he's wrong. Which is usually the case.

NT!

[SalviaBlue]

11. Welcome to Amerika.

I know your intention is to show that we are NOT in a police state. But you failed.

Minnesota is the perfect example of a police state... you should be outraged.

[Truth2Tell]

15. You forgot one:

* Government sponsored infiltration of opposition organizations, events and forums by agents provocateur; with the intent to disrupt, provoke and/or demean those engaged in democratic dissent.

Otherwise your post does an excellent job of defining the present state of America.

None of the criteria you list have been anything close to "isolated."

But nice try.

[Fumesucker]

18. Name a country on this planet that has a higher percentage of its citizens imprisoned

Than "the land of the free"

If this is not a police state, that task should be falling off a log easy.

I'll hold my breath while I wait for the answer.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. Yeah, but we put them in penitentiaries, not concentration camps

usually. With a few exceptions.

[Fumesucker]

I was asking OMC that question,..

And I'm starting to get a little blue.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. Better take a breath -

OMC is not going to answer.

[Fumesucker]

43. I'm an old skin diver

I can hold it a while..

[Fumesucker]

19. Self Delete... Dupe

[marmar]

24. Pretty much sounds like the United States, circa 2008......

..... what was that about terminological ignorance?

[mmonk]

27. So which characteristic you list isn't currently in place?

[Malikshah]

28. Well, now. I wasn't sure until the list, but now I'm sure. We are in one.

Thanks! :)

Each of those are readily apparent in our country. Unless, of course, one is not paying attention.

[Bonobo]

30. Ha ha ha ha. No reason to reply. You won the argument for me already.

[Bob Dobbs]

31. Self pwned

Epic fail

Qelle idiote.

[Lerkfish]

32. agreed. isn't it amazing?

[RainDog]

37. ditto n/t

[oldskool]

33. This is happening all over the world

It is the push for GLOBALIZATION.

[arcadian]

35. This original post are dumb

Only am dummie make am post like these

[Truth2Tell]

44. All of your Police State are belong to OMC. nt

[RainDog]

36. And how does Bush America NOT resemble this?

Characteristics of a police state

Some characteristics of a police state include

* Government or government sponsored Surveillance of its citizens, especially to detect and punish disloyalty.
yo, AT&T. Is it a police state if the govt votes against its own constitution?

* Broad police powers and/or lack of protection of individual rights.
yo. Military Powers Act.

* Systemic silencing of critics of the ruling or policing authority.
yo. Donald Siegleman, for one. hmmm, I haven't seen Amy Goodman on the msm yet...

* Secret police, especially to detect disloyalty to the ruling authority.
yo. Blackwater

* Imprisonment for long periods without due process or access to the judicial system.
yo. Gitmo. They destroyed a person's life w/o ever having to go to court - they imprisoned and tortured him until he lost his mind. One down... how many more to go?

* A justice system who's primary function is convicting those the police or ruling authority
dislike.
yo. The supreme court 5 ruling of the 2000 election. The failure of the Attn. General to prosecute Bush admin. officials b/c some crimes aren't crimes (he left out that part about... if it's someone my boss wants to made above the law. Oh, and enforcing those subpoenas?

* Pervasive police presence
-yo. anytime I have seen people gathered for political purposes, I have seen the police en masse.

* Police or other authorities running many aspects of individual citizen's lives.
yo. why is it impossible for Americans to get their reps to vote for issues they want enacted... like universal healthcare? people being forced out of malls b/c they had tee shirts critical of Bush...

we're there. if we don't stop the fascists here, we're there.

btw, when Bush started all this shit, WWII veterans would come up to me and tell me that this is EXACTLY how Hitler started. They lived through it and they recognized it.

[seemslikeadream]

38. Government or government sponsored Surveillance of its citizens, especially to detect and punish dis

check

[seemslikeadream]

39. Broad police powers and/or lack of protection of individual rights

check

[seemslikeadream]

40. Systemic silencing of critics of the ruling or policing authority.

check

[Cleita]

42. Naomi Wolf would disagree with you.

Just because it isn't evident obviously doesn't mean it's not going on. She gives some pretty good examples from Nazi Germany, Pinnochet's Chile
and other countries when they drifted into being totalitarian, police states and how the population at large were oblivious to it until it was too late. We are getting signs of this most lately at the RNC convention. Do yourself a favor and read her book:

"The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot"

Here is a review: http://ezinearticles.com/?The-End-of-America---A-Review-of-Naomi-Wolfs-Latest-Book&id=772795

excerpt:

The one most glaring difference between past dictatorial regimes and America is the fact that, according to Wolf, we will not experience a dramatic event to herald the closing of democracy. "There will not be a coup in America like Mussolini's March on Rome or a dramatic massacre like Hitler's Night of the Long Knives," that will shock the society into submission and declare martial law. This means that the shift to fascism would necessarily take much longer, as it is enacted out in a series of progressive steps and, presumably, could be slowed, stopped, or reversed. But, Wolf points out the ten steps that all dictators take when imposing their control over a democratic society, and she sees each step being taken now in America.

[RaleighNCDUer]

45. Clue:

When nobody is surprised by the events in Minneapolis, it is not "isolated incidents of police action that some perceive as abuse of power" - it IS a police state.

If anyone here can say they didn't expect this, that they are shocked, appalled and SURPRISED by the police actions, you might have some grounds to speak on.

[The Straight Story]

46. A polilce state won't happen over night usually

Kind of like Jesus talking about the end times and relating them to a pregnant woman - she will have labor pains, but as they get closer together know that the birth is about to happen.

[SmokingJacket]

48. Is it that the protesters really piss you off?

Sounds that way.

I wouldn't use the term "police state" myself, but what's going on in Minneapolis certainly sounds like an abuse of power.

[Junkdrawer]

49. To anyone who has wondered "Why would OMC say THAT?"

Wonder no more...

[Blue_Tires]

50. so you have just illustrated that we ARE sliding into a police state

to prove your point of the St. Paul incident NOT being a 'police state' action?

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. From DA LIST

Characteristics of a police state

Some characteristics of a police state include

* Government or government sponsored Surveillance of its citizens, especially to detect and punish disloyalty. (CHECK, see Attorney Scandal, Siegelman, my bad forgot the whole AT&T intertubes copying at the San Fran Operation... yep everything you post is going to a guv'ment copy... you tell me, isn't that surveillance?)

* Broad police powers and/or lack of protection of individual rights. (See Executive Order 51... and other executive orders that have chipped away at the limits)

* Systemic silencing of critics of the ruling or policing authority. (Not there yet, but not far from it... oh way, is it me or has congress mostly remained silent on the worst of the Bush Administration)

* Secret police, especially to detect disloyalty to the ruling authority. (FBI is quickly becoming this, see EO 51 and other Executive abuses)

* Imprisonment for long periods without due process or access to the judicial system. (Guantamo... and many a green card holder from the Arab persuasion has faced exactly this)

* A justice system who's primary function is convicting those the police or ruling authority dislike (See Alabama and Governor Siegelman, which is a tip of iceberg).

* Pervasive police presence (I'd suggest you take a gander at some particular US Cities, such as New York. not as pervasive.. but still)

* Police or other authorities running many aspects of individual citizen's lives. (Have you gone through security at the airport at any time in the last five years? Or what is more, have you self censored for fear of US Border authorities or TSA? If you have, mission accomplished)

You also forget all of these features are progressive. They are not as pervasive as they were in places like oh Chile, but you are not as free as you were... and that head in the the hole ain't gonna help you. Also it took me all of five seconds to find cases that QUALIFY FOR EACH ONE OF THESE CASES and as a student of political science I realize that we are well on our way to an openly run POLICE STATE

Are we there yet? Yes... yes we are... just not to the point where you will even acknowledge it.

Oh and the web is a nice pressure valve before you tell me, but, but you are able to post. I am sure Echelon is saving each one of these posts on this thread... and even perhaps an agent at NSA will even look at it. Congrats, another marker of a police state

Oh and here is more.. tell me how many people in East Germany, acknowledge as the worst ever, actually had a dossier? 10%

[Cleita]

52. Even in Chile, the crackdowns were around the capitol and targeted enemies of the state.

My relatives who lived in one of the far flung provinces had no idea what was going on in and around Santiago, except what we wrote them, because of a media black out where the press only reported what was favorable to the new government. We now have that happening here and no one can deny it. They thought we were being paranoid. Just because you don't hear jackboots marching down the street doesn't mean that it isn't happening.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. I know, I know and we would not know about Siegelman or the Attorney

Generals if the press (one enterprising reporter or two) decided to go there.

[mudesi]

53. LOL!

If your trying to convince us that America is not a police state, you're not doing a very good job!

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. My Interest Is Not In Convincing The Willfully Ignorant.

My interest is merely in giving them the educational resources necessary to overcome their ignorance. But if they want to remain ignorant, so be it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. We could say that about you... to be exact

you choose to keep your head in the sand, never mind we have PLENTY of evidence that this country is best case scenario, on its way to a police state

Worst case, it already is what we used to called a dictablanda way back when... oh and I don't think the definition of it is anywhere, but let me check

Oh my I am shocked here you go

Dictablanda is a word used by political scientists to describe a dictatorship in which civil liberties are mostly preserved rather than destroyed.
The word dictablanda is a portmanteau of the Spanish words dictadura ("dictatorship") and blanda ("soft"); there is also an element of punning involved in that blanda replaces dura ("hard").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictablanda

[Indenturedebtor]

57. Put your ego aside for a second and read what has been posted in your own thread

We're already a police state. It's not necessary to suppress the entire population. Only those individuals or groups who challenge your authority. We're already there my friend.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. Not Even Close. n/t

[Fumesucker]

61. Please name a country on our planet that has a higher percentage of its citizens in prison

Than "The Land of the Free".

This is a falling-off-a-log easy question if, as you say, the USA is not a police state.

[Fumesucker]

63. Not Even Close...

To putting your ego aside, eh?

[lumberjack_jeff]

58. "Not even close"?

What would you consider "close"?
We are wiretapped.
Dissidents are placed on no-fly lists.
Protesters are treated to grossly disproportionate treatment.
How would you know about the presence or absence of "secret" police?
Habeas Corpus? Ring a bell? Hello... Habeas Corpus IS "due process", and you don't have an inherent right to it. If the president says you're a terrorist... it sucks to be you.
You don't think courts have a strong bias toward believing the police... "the officers of the court"?
How many cops do we have? Seems pretty pervasive where I live.
If you don't feel that your life is constrained by overreaching authority, you are of a minority opinion.

We are most definitely close to a police state. Are we there yet? Like the frog brought to boil in a pan, I don't think you recognize it until it is far too late.

[Matariki]

60. Wow. I thought that was a check list of Bush administration abuses

I was surprised to get to the bottom and see you using the list as things that haven't happened.

I think you haven't been paying attention the past eight years.

[Zhade]

64. (excerpted from THE HANDBOOK TO GOOD GERMANHOOD, 2008 EDITION)

Ironic, the ignorance pervasive in an OP that uses ignorance in its title.

[Zomby Woof]

68. More of the usual reactionary bullshit

Delivered with the usual snide and condescending rank arrogance.

[REP]

71. Are you surprised?

I read this bootlicker's posts for the fun of seeing himself swell up his chest and pat himself on the back, not realizing just how pompous and moronic he is.

[ConsAreLiars]

69. Good list

Every single one applies to life in this country.

I'd go down the list for you if I thought if facts made any difference to you.

I'll leave that small effort up to you, should you ever decide to care about freedom, democracy, or the people of this country instead of defending corporatism. Start with surveillance.

[Generic Other]

70. Allow me to hijack this thread to promote my video UNDERCOVER

My take on living in a police state such as the one the OP does not believe exists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg1B5CWrTWA

[REP]

72. Posting to yourself again?

That's nice. A lot of people use the internet as sort of a diary, as you do. It's nice you learned something today. Good job!

[Breeze54]

74. I think he's just in denial.

Hasn't come to grips with how low this country has fallen.
It's sad really but he was preoccupied for a while and may
not realize all that has transpired yet or he's a *ick!

[REP]

76. It's sad he's preoccupied with being a dick!

Poor thing can't help himself, though. When he's not making up stories about what a big, tough ma-yun he his, he's strutting around like his posts make sense. I'd feel sorry for him if he didn't make me laugh so hard.

[Cleita]

73. I only have one more thing to say about this and most of your posts.

I'm tired of the fact that you get away with your insults. You just can't post something without calling people ignorant and "Terminologically Ignorant" as you did with this post. You do have a legitimate point but do you always have to be a creep about it?

[tkmorris]

77. Yes. Yes he does

One day OMC is going to be completely correct about something but no one will notice because they tuned him out years ago.

[Fumesucker]

82. I don't think he has a legitimate point at all...

The US is indeed a police state and our highest-in-the-world incarceration rate is prima facie evidence of that.

[Marr]

75. Congratulations-- you've just beaten yourself in an argument.

All of the points you listed are in place, to one degree or another.

But to keep things positive, I'd like to say that you deserve an award for making an such an idiotic post *and* acting like an arrogant ass at the same time. Rarely have I seen such a combination of cluelessness and self-confidence. You stay classy, hear me?

[old mark]

78. Agreed -we do not live in a police state...

we are just a lot closer to it then we have been thanks to Bush II.

I believe we will be closer yet under McCain/Palin, and maybe the future president Palin.


mark

[shadowknows69]

80. self delete

NM