Sarah threw down the gauntlet..

[SoCalDem]

She also proved, by her snarky sarcastic speech, that she wants to play hardball. She cannot not claim to be being "picked on"..

The McCain camp thought they were being clever by taking Hillary's campaign and tweaking it to make Sarah the new standard bearer for women..

You cannot have it both ways.. If you want to be the "pit-bull" (her own words), you cannot then call yourself a frail little yorkie, when you get bitten back.

She also made a serious error by starting an unfounded war with the "press".. There's an old adage about not starting a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel-full (or something to that effect)

Not everyone shuns newspapers & magazines. they may buy them to wrap the fish in, in Wasilla, but there are many more people in the lower 48 who actually do read magazines & newspapers..and not just "Guns & Ammo" or "Moose Shooter's Gazette".

She'll get her blip on the radar, and she's easy on the eyes, but she will stumble.. Look how unprepared she and the McCain crew were in launching her. She's a big cute fish in a very small pond, and now she's a small fish in a big ocean..an ocean loaded with sharks.

It's really a hoot to realize that the fate of the free world may just rest in the hands of a bunch of National Enquirer sleuths, but it may just come to that.

The same folks who delighted in the raunchy stories about the Clintons over the years, and howled with glee over the Edwards debacle, will have to read about Sarah, and it sounds like the goings on in Wasilla and nearby environs are things that "the base" can easily identify with....drinkin' & fussin' & fightin' & illegally huntin' & fishin' & partyin' & droppin' outta school & lotsa sex, apparently.. Those things might make for a great way to pass those long winters and boring summers, but they are not national government values or real family values..

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Shook my head in agreement the entire time I was reading your post.

:thumbsup: :hi:

[librechik]

2. nah--she'll whine and cry at every check on her facts, complaining of a smear

Then rear back and shower our side with lies and invective without a single thought to fair play. After all, we attacked her! so she can smear back.

[Truth2Tell]

3. spot-on speech analysis! K&R

:)

[TwilightGardener]

4. She actually had a chance to be a sympathetic figure--that was my

greatest worry. Glad she came off so nasty. Now the portion of America that is sane won't feel bad or sexist for not liking her.

[Raine]

13. Mine too, I was afraid she would suck in people by

showing some class and looking refined, glad that didn't happen. :evilgrin:

[leftynyc]

62. Same here

I thought her MO would be to try and connect with the people, especially women. Now that she has shown her true ugly colors, I hope they don't hesitate to rip the bark off her. Or in terms she surely understands, I hope they gut and skin her.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. It will be interesting, that said

lets leave the small town of Wasilla and her inhabitants alone and just concentrate on this cute little fry ok.

The people of Alaska are very good hosts... and have their issues too... and even papers

[ClayZ]

23. I love Alaska!

The 1986 Talkeetna Bluegrass Festival is one of my favorite trips. We visited Wasilla.

Lots of great Alaska people visit the World Famous Pike Place Market in WA. where I work.

[countryjake]

25. Me too! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. We had dinner at the Pike Market Place when we were in Seattle during

our trip

We spend three days there before the cruise...

And yes the people are warm... in both places

So Alaskans tend to be very ahem conservative and their politics make Louisiana look like pikers, while Washington is very Blue.

But we really should concentrate on this small fry and she is SMALL FRY

[ClayZ]

42. She is going to feel the heat in a day or two. (speaking of fry)

I can already feel the look that is going to be in OBAMAS eyes. WE have Sweet DREAMS to Remember!

[FatDave]

65. To say nothing of the look in Hillary's eyes. (nt)

[Mz Pip]

6. You nailed it

As far as I'm concerned the press has been far too easy on her. While the family stuff was uncalled for her opinions, issues, experience, attitude, religious beliefs, associates, business dealings and everything else we can imagine are now fair game.

You asked for it. You got it. Bend over.

[EFerrari]

7. She read a speech. Does anyone believe those were her words?

This is a woman who can't run a carwash.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. No, her speech was written by the usual suspects

in this case I suspect ... Dobson's ilk. Heard the damn thing for all them talking points... and was ugly

[TahitiNut]

10. I think Peggy Noonan had a hand in that one ... not all of it, but some.

It had her (cough) 'aroma.'

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. She also said on an open mike that this was all but over

so I don't think she wants no part in this sinking ship

I'd say Rove, but the Hard Core RIGHT to LIVE speech was even too hard core for rove

[EFerrari]

12. It was written by Matthew Scully, Bush's writer.

She could have recited the alphabet to that audience. The speech doesn't hang together as a speech but the rabid right didn't even notice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Ah... god, bush's speech writer is bad

he desperately needs this to keep his job

[EFerrari]

26. It's voodoo, propaganda just like the "case" against Bruce Ivins

is propaganda.

There's no there, there. And the most appalling thing is that people don't seem to notice the difference any more.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. 1984... I like the novel, didn't want to live it for real

[TwilightGardener]

19. Hell, she could have farted the alphabet to those hyenas, they still would have

cheered and howled.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. McFailin forgot they aren't elected (yet or ever). Denying access doesn't work in an election. nt

[Third Doctor]

11. Those were certianly

not her words but I doubt the fundies think that far into detail.

[Greyskye]

15. You echo my verbal diarrhea during the speech.

You go after the media, and you're asking for it. The media may be owned by conservative corporations, but there are still enough of the old-guard, and principled newcomers, who will take up that gauntlet and run with it. Joe Klein has already picked it up and thrown it back in her face. :evilgrin:

[ColbertWatcher]

16. RAAAAA! (Dean yell) n/t

[countryjake]

18. Key words..."left wing media"...

even Couric, Brokaw, and Gibson will be spitting in their cereal tomorrow morning, over that line!

[TahitiNut]

20. All that fellating ... and they can't (yet) feel the love?

:rofl: :rofl:

[countryjake]

22. I watched Couric almost (note I say "almost") pin Ms. Cindy down...

on the evening news tonite. Asked about Creationism and Roe vs. Wade, McCain dodged, so she asked her again. Even stuck a postscript on, after the interview. Couric almost looked determined, lol!

[bahrbearian]

21. Lip stick on a pig.

[natoir1]

24. i have a question plz dont ignore me

is the drunk dauhter pic real anybody i saw them but are they real? I am a Father of 8 it ok you can tell me

[countryjake]

27. Could you be more specific? What drunk daughter pic?

I know of the prez's kids' drunken photos and they were definitely real. The Enquirer loves publishing crap like that. Are you asking about someone else's daughter?

[natoir1]

30. on the link click or should i get the photo

[natoir1]

33. Right here and theres more

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[natoir1]

35. drunk daughter pic!

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[SoCalDem]

28. huh?

no picture here:shrug:

[natoir1]

31. wait i get thank you thought

i was going crazy

[jberryhill]

32. So Did OJ... but I don't think she's going to be acquitted /nt

[natoir1]

36. Are this photos real

From:

[SoCalDem]

37. Neither one is of Palin, but the photo may be real;

The one on the left may be Levi's sister.. don;t know who the other girl is..

[natoir1]

38. what about this one ,Thanks i could not sleep

From:

[natoir1]

40. ok i know who she is that site gossip so much i was unsure

she tell so many lie and the GOP act like they are not americans like a jeck brother that break stuff and cry when they dont get there way !

[Hekate]

57. You are not out to a very promising start at DU, is all I can say. nt

[0rganism]

39. no, don't you see? "hardball" is what GOPers use, we get whiffle balls

The dominant media narrative is not determined by rules of consistency and fair play, or even some balanced assessment of reality. It is formed by an intersection of easy presentation, market research and advertiser consent.

Sarah Palin could claim that "angry" Democrats were bullying her tomorrow, and her statement would be treated with the full credibility of someone pointing out that the sky is blue -- IF that's what would sell copy, draw audiences, and appease capitalists. The narrative doesn't bother much with memory or context, because audiences don't require it. We live in the United States of Attention Deficit.

On the other hand, the media might just see some benefit in serving up whatever sex-oriented dirt they can. If there's one thing that's proven to hold America's attention, it's celebrity sex scandals, and now that she's a celebrity, Palin's brought plenty for them to cover.

The good news is she will continue to self destruct over the next couple months, and be hounded continuously by creepy tales of sexual indiscretion, hypocrisy and fraud. Someone in the AP might even be tricked into doing investigative journalism. She might even crack before McCain and say something inexcusable even by MSM standards, which would be fun to see.

On the other hand, the GOP is just waiting for one of the Democratic candidates to bite on the juicy scandalbait. That may be grist for the media mills, but it's absolute poison to Sens. Obama and Biden.

Meanwhile, Gov. Palin will go on an extended speaking tour of rural America, to rile up the racists and the religious nuts with the very best in freepy talking points and fundamentalist codespeak. It'll be like a religious revival roadshow for haters.

[SoCalDem]

51. I think the media will lay back and let the Enquirer do their thing

and comment when they can.. Charlie Rose tonight had two reporters who did discuss the faked pregnancy.. of course they denied that they thought it possible..but they mentioned it.. One even said that the "problem" with the blogosphere was that they (the media) could not filter it..duh! that's the whole idea..silly men.. They are all afraid that more and more people will be tuning them out..

[bahrbearian]

41. I'm from alaska and sometimes I just like to sit here and , polish

this here Moose turd.,

[natoir1]

43. i have alot of kids and if one drunk i would ...it would be bad for them

Plus what does it say about the time your spending with them and your oversight of only ture person you lead! i just ask why no one talks about it.
From:

[Indi Guy]

44. SoCalDem -- Isn't This "OP" Eerily Reminiscent of Mine & My Additional Thoughts Here???

Straight Off the Ramp - Palin Jumped the Shark by Pumping up the Snark...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6919373 (check the time-stamp)

Scroll down this thread & see my additional thoughts as well.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt for a while -- but there were too many coincidences.

I know that imitation is high flattery, let's just give credit to who we're flattering in this way.

[SoCalDem]

49. I just now read yours..and yes I suppose a lot of us saw it the same way.

I had not read it until now. I'm sorry you felt the need to give me the benefit of the doubt for having similar ideas to yours, or if you think I copied your post. .

I got home at 11, watched her speech and composed my post..don't know what else to say about it..

..............................................................
If this is what you are referring to, note the timestamp/date
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3903222#3903245
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-02-08 04:34 AM
Response to Original message
7. She's used to being a big cute fish in a very little pond

now she's just chum in the water :)

That particular phrase is something I have used and heard for at least 30 years..
...............................................................................

I read posts similar to mine all the time, but I guess it does not bother me..I am sorry if you took offense to my having an idea like yours..

I am not offended that you borroweed my fish-pond reference:)

no hard feelings

[Indi Guy]

50. The Time Stamp on My OP - Thu Sep-04-08 01:06 AM ..yours - Thu Sep-04-08 02:31 AM...

I borrowed nothing from you.

Text of my earlier thread:

Go back to previous topic
Forum Name General Discussion: Presidential
Topic subject Straight Off the Ramp - Palin Jumped the Shark by Pumping up the Snark...
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6919373
6919373, Straight Off the Ramp - Palin Jumped the Shark by Pumping up the Snark...
Posted by Indi Guy on Thu Sep-04-08 01:06 AM

...and the campaign will soon live to regret it.

Palin's condescending and demeaning tone is far too typical of the Grand Old Party Rhetoric for people who want genuine change.

Also, Hillary learned the hard way what happens when you undervalue the experience of a community organizer like Barack. Palin played straight into Obama's strength. Barack knows how to dump this kind of pap right back in the lap of the of the opposition.

...And as far as Biden having to be careful in the debate because she's a women, Palin has already taken off the gloves & thrown down the gauntlet -- all is fair game now.

Thank you Sarah for being inexperienced enough to blindly regurgitate the boilerplate speech written for you by you're party's elite handlers.

Good luck.


6919486, I never thought the gloves should have been ON! Why the hell is
Posted by napi21 on Thu Sep-04-08 01:12 AM

Palin any different than Hillary? I don't recall any gloves being on when criticizing her! That's all BS from the RW claiming "she's a WOMAN!" Well TS. If you want to play in the ring, you damn well better be ready to do it!
6920503, Palin is a Newcomer & the Public at Large Might Have Had Problems...
Posted by Indi Guy on Thu Sep-04-08 02:15 AM

...with her being attacked.

Now Biden can leverage her own words & lack of experience against her.
6919526, I think "Drill, baby, drill" will have jumped the shark by Saturday, too!
Posted by EmilyAnne on Thu Sep-04-08 01:13 AM

I'm so proud of Biden and Obama right now!
The comparison is astounding!
6919556, were they chanting about Levi?
Posted by Gabi Hayes on Thu Sep-04-08 01:15 AM

6920071, That resource has already been tapped, Gabi.
Posted by EmilyAnne on Thu Sep-04-08 01:43 AM

6919576, Good OP, thanks
Posted by zidzi on Thu Sep-04-08 01:15 AM

Indi Guy!

Edit~ "Thank you Sarah for being inexperienced enough to blindly regurgitate the boilerplate speech written for you by you're party's elite handlers." :bounce:

6920013, Palin Going After Obama's "Experience"...
Posted by Indi Guy on Thu Sep-04-08 01:40 AM

...is laughable, when it wasn't her own idea.

GOP desperation led to Palin's nomination & the manipulation of "her" message.

She is so naive. The same ideological characters who wrangled Bush in 2,000 and now corrupt McCain, are exploiting Palin to the max. She has no clue.
6920056, She has no clue what she did tonight with that great speech
Posted by zidzi on Thu Sep-04-08 01:42 AM

for us but her little pitbull, manchurian candidate, profile is coming along nicely.
6920900, In Alaska she was a big fish in a small pond...
Posted by Indi Guy on Thu Sep-04-08 03:00 AM

...welcome to the saltwater ocean -- and the sharks.


6919582, As another DU'er is fond of pointing out, Obama is a great counter-puncher.
Posted by Elrond Hubbard on Thu Sep-04-08 01:16 AM

6919666, I agree....she came across as not likable at all. Sarcastic and bitchy.
Posted by K8-EEE on Thu Sep-04-08 01:20 AM

Plus so much of the speech was factually incorrect.
6920693, Oh Yeah!...
Posted by Indi Guy on Thu Sep-04-08 02:36 AM

The speech (notice I didn't say her speech) was top-loaded with bald faced lies about Obama's proposed policies.

Fortunately, there's enough time for the record to be corrected in the publics eye.
6920094, Good speech Sara. You over played your hand though.. Biden will chew you up..
Posted by Bensthename on Thu Sep-04-08 01:44 AM

6921069, Indeed...
Posted by Indi Guy on Thu Sep-04-08 03:26 AM

She'll feel the full wrath that comes with surrendering her free will to the GOP machine.

I honestly fear for her & her family. They are so being used by these amoral power brokers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6919373

Facts don't lie.

[NashVegas]

64. Please Don't Do This

I referred to Palin as "Hurricane Sarah" all weekend. Do you think The Daily Show stole that from me?

[reggie the dog]

45. judging by the comments on youtube

most of America liked her speech, especially the mostly younger people on the net, look at the comments here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgDApGPzCtA

notice the votes in thumbs up or down all favor the Republicans, apparently she hit a chord with the voters, there are even posts from Democrats for Palin.

[Indi Guy]

47. Please read post #44 here...

...thanks.

[brettdale]

46. for some reason

Our media loved her speech and normally they are pretty good.

[Indi Guy]

48. Please read post #44 here...

...thanks.

[radfringe]

52. good... between her throwing down the gauntlet and the whining about sexism

sounds like she wants to be treated like any other candidate. no special considerations because she's a woman.

does this then mean Biden won't have to keep gloves on when debating her?

meanwhile - this info needs to be passed along:

palin: “To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters,” she said. “I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House.’’

uhhh...yeah - right?

"For those of you who seem so enamored with Gov. Sarah Palin, it might be worth noting that she oversees the budget for the Department of Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska.
These funds provide supplementary educational services to students with severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. The resident school where the child would normally be placed does not have the resources to provide an adequate educational program. Without the supplementary services the child’s needs would not be met by the local school district in most cases.

The following programs are included within this component:
Special Education Service Agency (SESA)

The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300.

PDF: http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

PDF: http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of 5,109,300 , or 62%."

----------

more of the same two-lipped "ownership" society rhetoric - have a special needs child? you're on your own.

[SeattleGirl]

53. Sarah Palin can kiss my fucking ass.

Rarely have I been as angry after hearing a speech as I was tonight.

If that bitch has ANY illusions of being the poor widdle female victim when the Dems attack her, I hope that somewhere in that dark cesspool of her mind, there is the realization that the bile she served up on Wednesday night bought her ticket for that.

May she fucking rot in hell!

[SoCalDem]

54. Have you seen this screen cap? ( I added the "fail".)

[SeattleGirl]

55. Didn't see the screen cap until now, but I did see that clip before.

God damnit, and forgive me, but I fucking HATE these people!

They are hell bent on destroying us.

I say, let us go after them with barrels blazing.

Far as I'm concerned, that is the absolute LEAST they deserve.

Won't go negative, my freakin' white ass!

[Indi Guy]

56. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6919373

[deacon]

58. The speech was nasty. If you read the speech instead of watching it you will see how nasty it is. nt

[SoCalDem]

59. I listened to Mike Malloy on the car radio on the way home

He was playing bits of it and was about to blow a gasket..His critique was funny as hell,, and then when I got home I tuned to cspan and heard most of it.. She has "that voice"..the kind that makes you want to stick forks into your ears & pull your hair out..

I just hope that she pissed off the press enough for them to make Mccain's life a living hell. He was MADE by the press, and now he has withdrawn from them.. He's a gaffe-a-holic, and I'm sure his handlers don;t want any more boo boos..and not the lovely sarah is off limits too..

McCain/Palin..we're not allowed to talk to you

[pipoman]

60. You'll watch the analogies if you know whats good for 'ya!

"If you want to be the "pit-bull" (her own words), you cannot then call yourself a frail little yorkie, when you get bitten back."

[SoCalDem]

61. My mother got a yorkie once, and we had never seen him until we visited

My son yelled.. "Gramma's got an armadillo".. It seems that my mother had overfed that poor little guy, and he could not even jump up on the couch..and he DID look like an armadillo..:rofl:

[SmokingJacket]

63. Another recommended post.

Damn, that speech (which I only heard clips of) has generated some of the best DU posts I've read in a long long time.

Now I know what they mean by "energizing the base."

I am so freaking energized!!!!!!!