Seriously, why is DU losing its freaking mind over Palin?

[DangerDave921]

There's been more scorn, ridicule, and vitriol against Palin than I've seen against McCain (the actual candidate) and probably more than against Bush and Cheney.

Why the total shitstorm?

[bigtree]

1. It's a classic effort to define her

and wrap McCain in her extremism

[Roy]

123. Define her or expose her. After all, who the hell is she????

Shouldn't that be known now, before she is president?

[poverlay]

2. Because we've never had a hate filled secessionist this close to the presidency...n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. And Dominionist. Don't forget that

[kayell]

64. And that is about as scary as it gets. Domionists believe in

making Deuteronomy and Leviticus the law of the land. Goodbye Constitution. Hello God's Law. Go read a bit of that God's law. Then come back and tell us not to get worked up.

Aside from the fact that Palin would be a short heartbeat (of an older, not particularly healthy man) away from being the President of the US. With all those troops. With all that access to weaponry. With apparently no knowledge or caring about national or international affairs. With incredible self-righteous faith in her God and what he will tell her to do.

Some where around here is a pic of Lyndon Johnson take the oath after Kennedy was shot. Picture Palin in that photo. Tell us not to get worked up.

[CrispyQ]

104. So I googled "Dominionists" & this DU thread was the first hit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=209x5027

It is a thread from the non-fiction books forum & discusses "American Fascists: The Christian Right & the War on America" by Chris Hedges. Scary stuff. I checked my library & they have this book. I'm going to check it out tomorrow.

ps - If you google "Dominionist", a DU thread is the fifth hit. :o

[wvbygod]

37. If a secessionist wins in November I am leaving the USA

I'll be damn if I'm going to have a secessionist running my country!

[tburnsten]

52. Ironic

Funny that you put it that way, since you would in a way be 'seceeding' yourself!

[katty]

74. precisely-what country are we living in that has HER as potential

VP?!!! Raised to such status overnight? and now fundies praying for the demise of mc same?! t

[WCGreen]

4. "Cause there ain't nothin' else to yak about....

[DangerDave921]

LOL

Maybe it's as simple as that. Thanks!

[Phredicles]

5. A week ago no one knew who she was, and what we're finding out isn't good.

[TwilightZone]

6. At the moment, she's a significantly bigger threat than McCain is.

We underestimate her influence on the election at our peril.

[MadHound]

7. Because Palin is a racist, jingoistic, anti intellectual extreme RW nutjob

Who could potentially(and a high potential too) be our president. Not to mention that she attacks with lies and insults and is highly inexperienced.

[tuckessee]

27. Rascist? That's a new for me.

Let's see the proof.

[arthritisR_US]

63. she's racist to the core...just watch what the rightie pigs do with the term "community organizer"

and THEN you will begin to understand their racist code.

[tburnsten]

53. I wasn't aware of any anti-intellectualism

Could you elaborate for me?

[atommom]

71. She wanted to ban books from her local library because of "language."

Threatened to fire the librarian for resisting. Also, has said that parents have a right to prevent schools from teaching their kids anything they (the parents) disagree with.

[DangerDave921]

80. do you know what books?

I thought banning went out years ago. Just curious what books they're trying to ban nowadays.

And was this banning of books for kids (which isn't really banning) or was it grown-up books?

[tburnsten]

89. I hope they weren't serious!

That alone might just be the biggest (single, personal) problem I have with her! I can't imagine my childhood without books, including "adult" books that might not have been ideal for "children". I too am curious what books they were and what the individual reasons were. I always liked reading the list of banned books and why they were banned when I was younger, no time like the present to renew old interests!

[atommom]

102. I replied to the wrong post... see my answer a few posts down. nt

[tburnsten]

90. That's bad.

[atommom]

91. The article I read didn't say which books. The religious right around here

has targeted Toni Morrison and a variety of other authors. My guess is that she had "liberal" works in mind.

http://tinyurl.com/5t4oq6

[LeftishBrit]

8. Because she's a religious fanatic with ties to the far right

She is worse than McCain and could end up replacing him. And god help the world if she does.

[notadmblnd]

9. if it bothers you, take the week off

I think it's because so little was known about her and some of here feel a responsibility to get to know her. I know DU doesn't get much credit as a mainstream source for information. However, many of those mainstream media sources get a lot of their information from DU.

[Matariki]

10. Someone here put it well - in the past they've panderend to the crazy fundies

but she's actually one of them.

A McCain/Palin win would be a disaster for this nation. On his own McCain would be a disaster, but Palin magnifies that 10 fold.

[verges]

33. I agree.

Most Repubs are politicians. They don't really believe what they say. She does. And there is an outside chance that McCain will win. And there is also an outside chance that he won't survive a full Presidential term. And then... President Palin. And that, my friend, is terrifying.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

101. That's what I think.

She IS one of them, while Bush, Cheney, Rove et al. probably kick back every night with a scotch and a cigar and laugh at them. They just use them to allow for their power/land/resource grabs. Gee, just like throughout history.

And Corporate Media blowhards like Coulter, Limpballs and O'Lielly? I don't think they believe half the venom they spew--they do it because it's so lucrative. Palin, on the other hand...

[Curtland1015]

11. Because she is flat out dangerous.

I hate McCain's policies. I hate his politics. But hate him to become President, but I'm not flat out SCARED that he could become president. Letting someone as unqualified as Sarah Palin (the least qualified person to get that close to the Presidency perhaps in the HISTORY of our country) would be down right INSANE.

As bad as McCain would be for this country, she would be 1000 times worse.

[Bob Dobbs]

12. Why are you not paying attention?

This racist, dominionist, tool of the power elite could be the president one day. There has never been a more extremist candidate for national office for a major party in my long lifetime. She makes Goldwater look like a centrist.

[Ignis]

72. The "lack of attention" by this poster isn't new. (nt)

[Sebastian Doyle]

13. If we had a legitimate media in this country, Tundra Barbie wouldn't have a prayer

But with these corporate lackeys building her up, just like they did Chimpy's stupid ass, it's definitely cause for concern.

Not because I believe most people will vote for this fraud. But when the machines DO, they'll believe it when the media tells them she and Gramps "won". Just like they did in 2004 :(

[ConcernedCanuk]

14. Fear

.
.
.

Regardless of my dislike for what the Republicans have done in the last 8 years,

Palin was an excellent choice for them IMO

She is young, vibrant and new - and probably has more balls than most.

I researched her through wiki, googled Alaska, and have read up on her for hours.

She ain't going away - ridicule and one-liners ain't gonna drive her away.

Old saying -

"Don't underestimate your enemy" - if indeed she is the enemy.

Remember what the World already knows,

y'all voted in the Texacutioner TWICE.

yeah,

we noticed . . .

[Donald Ian Rankin]

42. Exactly - it's bluster, I'm afraid.

Palin is new, different and exciting, and if the debate continues as it is at present - focussing on her personality (even the flaws in her personality) rather than policies, then the Republicans will probably win.

Palin represents the same bad, old Republican policies, but in a shiny, exciting new package. DUers are terrified of that package, and so they're desperately trying to point out flaws in it, and, frankly, that won't work - the package is at least as good as any package the Democrats have on offer.

What is desperately needed is to ignore the package, and focus on the contents - abortion, creationism, the environment, tax cuts, etc - and point out that though she herself may be new and different, as a politician she's exactly what we've had eight years of, or possibly more.

[DangerDave921]

65. Excellent answer

Go for the issues, with some hard-hitting ads about banning books (if there is evidence), creationism in schools, and anti-choice.

[SmokingJacket]

15. Partly it's just a temporary thing.

Most of us have known John McCain for years -- no new material.

This new person is honestly a shockingly bad choice, and the idea of her as a president some day -- a hard right Dominionist! -- shook us out of our complacency.

[2Design]

16. because it is frustrating to see the competition bring out the

right wing nut voters to elections over gay marriage and abortion and not over issues that matter to us

I am very frustrated and want the election tomorrow and over with so we know if the voters are idiots again or not - I really can not stand much more of these right wing nuts and their policies of killing and torture and faux security that impedes travel, and high gas prices that impede travel and their smug rich faces of their MASTERS like tom delay, rush limp and nancy grace, and elizabeth (view) and the rest of them that are destroying the good things about people and to people

they don't want people aborting yet they are killing other people's children all the time with their bombs, their forcing people into poverty, and their bullets - they are just plain evil

I want hope and right now I only see that on one side

I hate this polarization that this country has become - it is hard to talk to people anymore

Maybe I just need to stop reading the news anymore or du - I don't know -

I just can not believe how easily people are fooled and how their repeating things people believe - when I hear it come out of people's mouths, I know they do not have any critical thinking skills and that most are very pliable.

How any gay or black person can vote or be a republican is beyond my comprehension - yet as we have seen with the present resident and this sarah - their vindictiveness and power trips have destroyed peoples lives and they have hurt their own children and then foisted their ill conceived wishes on others when they can not even get their children to follow their sick beliefs

[Faux pas]

17. Because this 'match' is a marriage of old nuts and real nuts.

[sandnsea]

18. She's just another cynical gimmick to manipulate the idiots

No different than W. She is what is destroying this country and our media refuses to tell the truth about it.

[jobycom]

19. They are afraid of her.

She threw a wrinkle into the campaign, and there is a fear she could change the election. Some were concerned that she really would draw a lot of female voters. Some were afraid that her youth and intensity would counter Obama. Mostly, she's an unknown, and so DUers were rushing to define her--both to make people dislike her, and to reassure themselves that she wasn't going to win it for McCain.

And last night, she gave a fierce speech that many of us hated while at the same time acknowledging in our hearts as an effective rallying cry for the Republicans. More danger that she changes things.

But I think we overestimate her. She's a good attack dog for McCain, but the middle voters don't want an attack dog, they want a bi-partisan uniter who has good ideas on how to fix things. DU draws activists, and we activists think everyone is as partisan and ideologically based as we are. Truth is, most voters just want someone to keep their lives about the same as they are now, with maybe a little more money. More money, less fear.

Palin brought a gun to the family picnic and fired it into the air. While some people are going to like the gun, most are going to be wary of inviting her to the next picnic. That damn gun firing off made us jump. But in the end, it was just a loud noise, and I don't think it did any damage.

McCain still has to win this thing on his own, and he's not showing a lot of competence in that area.

[hfojvt]

20. If you see us going crazy

Remember, it's a short trip.

We tend to have a feeding frenzy over every new or big story. Besides that McCain is a POW with a lifetime of experience and Palin's not.

[NNN0LHI]

21. Because McCain doesn't look like he is going to be alive very much longer

And this crazy woman will become the president of our country.

Don

[amb123]

22. She's a Christian Fascist, that's why.

She is a Dominionist. That means she believes the Biblical Law supersedes the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and all secular law. People like that want the Death Penalty for Homosexuals, Adulterers, Children who are disobedient to their parents, doctors who perform abortions, etc. They threaten the Separation of Church and State. These people are DANGEROUS! And Sarah Palin is one of them.

[Virginia Dare]

23. Um because she's a right wing extremist nutbag?...n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

24. It's happening just to annoy you. nt

[lapfog_1]

25. In truth, she scares me

she scares me in that she is a batshit crazy fundie who would be "one heartbeat away" should her ticket win... and McCain is 72 and a multi-bout cancer survivor.

And she scares me because she will appeal to a huge block (20 million or so) of voters that were going to sit this one out. A block that actively wants a theocracy for the United States. What * was supposed to be for them, but wasn't because he was never really the President (Cheney was).

She scares me because she is an attractive woman (we all dismiss this here as Caribou Barbie or whatever, but physically attractive people do win elections... think back to high school). BTW, Obama has that going for him too.

She scares me because she could attract some independent women (not Hillary supporters), especially women who relate to her holding down a job while having 5 children (the ones who seriously believe that by doing so, they are superwomen and can do anything better than any man).

She scares me because she is an "X" factor in the race. Obama, McCain, Biden have all become relatively known over the course of the last 2 years. Palin? Who had ever heard of her before last Friday? People are naturally attracted to the new... especially new relationships. They overlook the flaws in the new lover or the new boss, they make excuses for them. The are infatuated. Palin is the new. So we are trying to knock the bloom off the rose as quickly as we can... there is only 8 weeks to go until the election. That's not enough time to grow disenchanted. (Not us, but for the 10 to 20 percent of undecideds).

Fortunately, her speech writers gave her the traditional VP "attack dog" role with plenty of red meat. Which is very fortunate for us. She came off as petty, vindictive, small minded, and, yes, very catty. If they leave her in that role, anyone not of the base of fundies will grow to loathe her. If they had HER doing the uplifting high minded hopeful speech, complete with specific plans... we would be in much worse shape. Fortunately, the McCain campaign went with tradition for her role as attack dog, and she is no Hillary Clinton (who can pull off the attack dog role very well).

But yes, she scares me. I only give her about a 1 in 10 chance of becoming President someday, that those odds should scare anyone. But that she scares me is good, I'm going to work that much harder to see that she never gets to be "a 72 year old heart beat away".

[librechik]

26. the pukkes are using her to cheat and lie again--that always drives me up the wall

and I just have to rant.

[VWolf]

28. Because McCondo hasn't given his speech yet.

We're just passing time.

Honestly, DU hasn't been this much fun in a long time.

[Evoman]

29. Because she is fucking nuts and a heart attack away from President if they get elected.

Unlike many politicians who play the religious idiots for fools, she actually is one of the religious idiots.

Fucking scary, if you ask me.

[joshcryer]

30. DRAMA > ISSUES = WELCOME TO MASS CONSUMERIZATION

It's really remarkable.

[bdamomma]

31. anyone who says God wants the pipeline

is off her rocker. She is just inexperienced and has some deep rooted fundi ideology.

[Eric J in MN]

32. It's been less than a week since she was announced.

She's new.

[earth mom]

34. Palins connection to the fundies is why I'm freaking out about her. Fundies have just about ruined

this country in case you don't know.

That said, I haven't been posting much on DU lately but I am glad to see people are paying attention around here because she is some scary shit. :scared:

[NeedleCast]

35. Drama

There's plenty of stuff to attack Palin over, but much more interesting and dramatic to post 50+ threads a day about her teenage daugther. This is a message board, after all.

[Dukkha]

36. an extreme hypocrite in every measurable sense

Especially with the "Country First" BS. The only countries these two warmongers care about are the ones they are determined to bomb into oblivion.

[Chisox08]

38. You must have forgotten that McCain has one foot in the grave

and the other one is inching closer to that grave. It is a possiblity that Palin could be President in the next couple of years. Also before last week nobody outside of Alaska has heard of Sarah Palin. Now that information is leaking out about Palin it doesn't look to good. Believe me we have a lot of material on McPOW but we need to hammer her just as hard as we hammer her as well. I think it is our responsiblity to comment on and bring up the flood of info that is coming out about Palin. letting it sink and ignoring her will hurt us and let some of those on fence think it is ok to vote fo McBush because they have a woman on the ticket.

[Mesteryo]

39. Dems should be careful going after her..

The McCain campaign is hoping the media and Democrats will focus all of their attention going after her and let McCain go unscathed. She'll let McCain sit back and play nice while she is the attack dog playing to the right-wing base.

[orleans]

118. okay--we'll be careful. thanks. welcome to du missouri n/t

[Phoonzang]

40. Because she's scarier than McCain and brings out the republican base

and fools idiots who think "she's just like us!".

[Politicub]

41. It feels to me that Palin is bringing us together

Just like she inspires such admiration from the most extreme rightists, she puts in sharp relief the differences between an Obama/Biden vs a McCain/Palin presdency. This drives people to action, especially women - as Palin would do her best to throw women's rights back 50 years.

Where does the GOP find these people?
Clarence Thomas
Alberto Gonzales
Sarah Palin...

Do they just hate who they are and their communities? Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with them?

[johnaries]

115. Actually, you nailed it. Self-hate.

Many fundies teach that you are "born in sin" and that you are despicable in the eyes of God. The only way you can "redeem" yourself is by doing what "God's messenger" tells you to do. Of course, God's Messenger is also the same one who told you how despicable you were in the first place.

They prey on people's self-doubts and insecurities. Which is kind of odd for a group that espouses Individual Accomplishment. Then again, circular logic is the bread and butter of these folks.

[Marr]

43. Because we smell blood in the water. But what are you suggesting?

[countryjake]

44. Cause if she gets her way, she will set the Women's Liberation Movement back 40 yrs!

She'll be like Godzilla, tromping across the land with her jackboots and her fat cats in tow, spewing her phony message to warp people's consciousness far worse than they already are, to enable that pointy toe of fascism a foot in the door, pushed wide open to creeping capitalist oppression!

As much as Hillary disgusted me, she didn't worry me much, cause I figured just more of the same ole shit; the further right of center that Obama moved, the more I gave up caring; but this new tool they've inserted into the mix means flat-out batten down the hatches and full engines ahead...it will be an unbelievable shitstorm if Palin gets her high-heeled boot into the Whitehouse, and I can't sit idle and let it happen!

[DangerDave921]

56. Set it back 40 years?

But she's a woman who rose from nothing to get elected governor. And she did it without having a rich, famous father or husband. I think that speaks well for the womens' movement, i.e., that women can achieve anything they want to.

[countryjake]

67. She did that as a Janus, convincing a whole state full of Libertarians and Independents...

that her policies would "Free Alaska" from the Big Republicans...all the while knowing that she had the complete and total backing of the very rethugs that real Alaskans were sick of. She was inserted, she did not "rise from nothing" nor did she pull herself up by her bootstraps; she was the tool to rescue the neocons from losing that power they knew was slipping and they've buffaloed the entire state with her tactics. Now, they see how well that ploy worked in the land of the midnight sun, right in broad daylight, so they're moving on to Washington with magic show.

The woman represents nothing in the way of Women's Liberation, she carries the full anti-lib message, replete right down to Adam's Rib (Creationism and Intelligent Design). One does not find freedom by ceding rights that have already been won or ignoring basic principles of simple human rights. The feminism she speaks of is a fallacy, a false front to eliminate true equality, for both women and men!

[countryjake]

113. Here's another good link. Read this & then tell me how she speaks for women...

Mayor Palin: A Rough Record
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

I'm interested in why, of all the responses you've received, you scrolled down to mine to ask your question? Lots of good solid replies here, was it because I mentioned Women's Liberation and suggested what a serious threat a woman such as she could be to the hard-won successes we've achieved during the past decades?

In your selectiveness, were you hoping to hear yet another regressive attack on Palin's reproductive rights or her mothering abilities as a working woman...you'll hear none of that patriarchal crap from me! Principles of liberty, of equality, cannot be sacrificed in this stage of the struggle...we have come too far to allow backward steps. Palin does not stand for any women's movement, her policies represent those chains that must be broken in order to bring freedom for all humanity.

[orleans]

119. yes, to your last sentence. and then we take her down any way we can by

going after every little thing about her.

[countryjake]

120. But you originally stated that Palin speaks well for the womens' movement...

I'm confused now. Did you read her political history at that link and change your opinion of her, to agree with me, or are you being sarcastic?

And you failed to answer my question of why you immediately singled out my response, ignoring forty or more replies.

[orleans]

121. listen jake, you are NOT talking to the person you are thinking of

you meant this post for DangerDave921 on post 56--not me.

don't be so DICKISH to people who respond to your posts--maybe you could pay attention to our names?

you said: "Palin does not stand for any women's movement, her policies represent those chains that must be broken in order to bring freedom for all humanity."

and i responded:
"yes, to your last sentence. and then we take her down any way we can by
going after every little thing about her. "

[countryjake]

128. Oops! Sorry!

You call me "dickish" because I thought that the person who originally engaged me had responded, thanks very much! While I don't appreciate that term, I would say it's up in the air as to who is the "dickish" one here.

[orleans]

129. (yeah, real "sorry" huh?)

[countryjake]

130. Yes, I'm sorry that I thought you were the other guy...

What about my post was "dickish"?

[tburnsten]

58. Obama is not right of center

He seems like he is playing a slightly more centrist game now than before, but that is what electoral politics demand. Super far-left and super far right candidates do not win elections, no matter how excited their biggest supporters may get.

[Indenturedebtor]

45. Because she's Bush in a Beehive that's why

This woman is extremely scary. She tried to ban books, is anti-choice, anti-environment, lies with abandon, is intellectually incurious, ruins businesses, etc.

We've seen this "person" before.

[ildemo]

46. Fear. n/t

[Taverner]

47. Rapture Ready Fundies Scare me

And she's one of them

[Duer 157099]

48. Because even if McCain doesn't die while in office

I have no doubt that Palin will wrap him around her little finger and soon enough she'll be doing exactly what the current VP does -- running the country from behind the scenes.

No doubt whatsoever.

[Kitty Herder]

49. Because it's so much fun.

There's tons of juicy gossip to discuss. We're human like everybody else and it's human nature to love gossip.

Plus, she's such a terrible pick, I think we're all gloating about it, whether we admit it or not. Grampy McCrazy may have sunk his campaign with this bizarre choice.

[Name removed]

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[Sebastian Doyle]

61. Uh-oh, they left the gate open again

The FreepSheep are back.......



BAAAAAAAA!! We love Tundra Baaaaaaarbie!!! Drill Here! Drill Now! Drill Everywhere! Baaaaaaaaaamb Iraaaaaaaaaan!!

[SaveOurDemocracy]

51. Because they don't have Hillary to freak-out over? n/t

[TheWatcher]

54. Because if McCain and this Stepford Nightmare Fundie get control of our country

There will BE NO COUNTRY.

That will be it. It's quite simple. This country is finished if they win.

Perhaps what that stupid monster did last night was spark the sense of self-preservation in many of us. Perhaps we don't want to see our country die.

Just a thought.

[cboy4]

55. Can you imagine this fundie as president?

:scared:

[Sheets of Easter]

57. Because is McCain winds up president, and something happens to him,

we have a person who believes that the Iraq War is a way to carry out "God's will." She is a Dominionist, and an ultraconservative.

After eight years of a trust fund baby and failed businessman running this country, the idea of Sarah Palin taking over for McCain, should the day come, terrifies me to no end.

[Wilber_Stool]

59. Why?

I just turned on cnn for a while. They had a viewer call-in. Out of five calls, only one was negative and he was cut off. That's why.

[Karenina]

60. Time to weed!

:hi:

[arthritisR_US]

62. you have got to be kidding, right? The first two days of the convention were

like watching a funeral procession but since Paclyin came on the scene their base has been ignited and they are on fire for the ticket. All the kool aid needed was a healthy dose of lies and that's exactly what she provided. She was also sent out to muzzle the press by attacking the press and now the MSM which had started to grow a spine will once again retreat and parrot the lies for the repulsives. Her mocking Obama as having been a community organizer is nothing more than racist code, i.e., he was nothing more than an angry black man out in the community igniting and rallying the angry blacks out there watch out white man. she was also brought on board to bring in the catholic vote which she has.

Wake up mate, you're missing the boat on this vixen.

[DangerDave921]

66. Racist code?

I guess I missed that aspect of it. Who knew that community organizer is code for racism?

[arthritisR_US]

70. people are just starting to wake up to it today. Nobody does code better than the repulsives. n/t

[conscious evolution]

83. community organizer = uppity n****r

It is not a code for racism,it is one of the code words for racists.
Similar to the way they use the term 'welfare queen'.Or 'States Rights'.
It is a linguistic way of spreading their message without being obviously and overtly racist.

[DangerDave921]

88. Someone needs to make a dictionary so we all know. eom

[Blue_Tires]

68. to break a chain, you go for the weak link....

[Wilber_Stool]

69. I fear the only thing that can save us

would be nothing short of a economic collapse. And that's a piss ass poor concept of being saved.

[Ignis]

73. Here's your answer (not that you really wanted one):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3922719

The vast majority of Democrats consider placing someone this corrupt, theocratic, authoritarian, petty, vengeful, abusive, and ultimately batshit-crazy one heartbeat away from the Presidency to be a slap in the face against everything espoused in the Bill of Rights, and all of the civil rights we've fought so hard to acquire over the last 200+ years.

Back in 2000, most of us were similarly outraged when Ashcroft was appointed AG. Why not just appoint Randall Terry to the Supreme Court, next?

Perhaps some--like Shrub--consider the Constitution to be "just a goddamn piece of paper," but Democrats know otherwise and take the Constitutional responsibilities of an oath of office very seriously.

:shrug:

Your mileage may vary.

[B Calm]

75. You do realize that John W McCain is a 70 yr old cancer survivor. . .

[L. Coyote]

76. Simple, the Rovians shook up the political landscape

Meanwhile, almost everyone is falling for their misdirection instead of focusing
on the real issues: Big Oil, corruption, the economy, the war, and Palin's issues stances.

If we allow the Rovians to keep us focused on a 17-year-old navel, the ship could sink!!

[kurth_]

77. Sarah Palin is a clear and present danger

to Democrats and to Americans.

[LeftishBrit]

85. And potentially to the entire world - if she ever accedes to the presidency

[Sewsojm]

78. Cause she's another lying repuke Bitch!

[B Calm]

79. A letter from someone who has known Sarah Palin since 1992 « My 2 Buck$

Thought you might be interesed in this.

http://my2bucks.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/a-letter-from-someone-who-has-known-sarah-palin-since-1992/

[DangerDave921]

82. Very interesting take

Thanks for the link.

[Sequoia]

81. Because we won't have Dick to kick around anymore.

Oh, wait...that was Richard Nixon. Anyway, if you have to ask you're not paying attention.

[Geek_Girl]

84. Honestly she scares the shit out of me

She's worse than Bush. She's tied to big oil she is a super fundamentalist anti-environmentalist she basically my worse nightmare. She's a perfect puppet for Bushco2 and she may be a heart attack away from the presidency.


Prior to this VP selection I had in the back of my mind "no matter what, Bush would be out of office." But if this psycho somehow becomes the president we're going to wish for Bush again.

:scared:

[krabigirl]

86. Because she is a theocrat and lacks ethics

[Odin2005]

87. Becfause she is a raving Doninionist lunatic. n/t.

[LisaL]

92. Maybe cause there is so much material there.

[killbotfactory]

93. She is just like a freeper troll

Especially with her speech last night.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

94. She epitomizes the Double-Speak of the GOP pundits

Love the John Stewart clip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Everytime one of those pop up, I lose a testicle!"

PRICELESS!

[seemslikeadream]

95. Because she's a frickin' Theonomic Christian Reconstructionist

and can't wait for the end of the world

[struggle4progress]

96. His choice of Palin, without adequate vetting, casts considerable light on McCain's judgment

[jmondine]

97. Because she's a scum sucking vermin

Seriously though, Palin's utter lack of redeeming qualities directly reflects on McCain's judgment in choosing her.
Let us not forget, one of the things that has made the Bush admin. so unpopular is its practice of passing over qualified, experienced people to hire instead incompetent cronies based solely on their extremist ideology.

[MadMaddie]

98. If we want to talk about the facts

She is a fraud and a liar! Most of the shit she claimed she did can be verified as an untruth.

People are sick of the devisive politics.

As for me being a woman, she is complaining that she is being attacked because she is a woman. Well she should have thought about that before subjecting herself and her family to the scrutiny that comes when running as McCain's running mate.

The fact that she mocks Community Service which if I am not mistaken an important aspect of many church communities and she is this supposed outstanding Christian.....

This women needs to be investigated because she is one step away from the Presidency....

Now that I have said that the race is really between Obama and McCain we must never lose site of that.

[question everything]

99. Not so much her, but the organsm that all the right wingers exhibit over her shows

their hypocrisy.

Had Chelsea Clinton got pregnant when she was a teen, you know how they would have gone ballistic deriding the Clintons' parenting ability. I am not sure, but I think that teen pregnancy may have been linked to 9/11, Katrina, or other calamities together with homosexuality.

If you watched Jon Stewart last night, he brought it all on:

When the sister of Britney Spears got pregnant, Orally "faulted" the parents. But the Palins are being praised.

James Dobson (not sure of his full name, has a radio talk show) has been claiming that the places of mothers is, of course, at home. But he gets orgasmic over working outside Palin.

Only few weeks ago Karl Rove was belittling the experience of VA governor Kaine, who was on Obama's short list, who has been a governor for 3 years and before that a mayor of a "small" city (Richmond). But Palin now, has lots of experience.

They were saying that Hillary had to take it like... a man. But when Palin is being criticized, it is sexism.

And so it goes.

[deutsey]

100. The truth is we're happier when we're in pain... (nod to Lou Reed)

That's the first lyric that came to mind in response to your question.

[Lilith Velkor]

103. She's a woman.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

105. Because we thought the 8-year reign of terror might be coming to an end.

But if we have a McCain/Palin administration, it won't. And because we're disgusted, angered and disheartened by our fellow citizens, the fundie wingnuts, who thrive on hate and fear and will vote them in to office.

Because we're paying attention to Russia, Georgia, the Ukraine, Pakistan and Iran and not buying it when FUX "News" and other Corporate Media dumbasses tell us she's unequivocally qualified to be VP or Prez because Alaska IS CLOSE TO Russia. And pissed off that others do believe it--and they vote.

I'll stop there.

[greblc]

106. Because she is on track to be but a heartbeat away from the Presidency...

and grossly unqualified. um ....and she's a fucking beauty queen? Everyone hates a beauty queen.

[ConcernedCanuk]

108. Fear, I said it before - and Americans fear their own stupid voters - and rightly so . . .

.
.
.

They got Bush in there for the last 8 years

and tore the American Dream apart . .

well done you voters you!

Fear

is killing the USA

[VOX]

107. If you have to ask this question, you're way out of touch with where you are and what's going on.

Seriously, you have to ask this question? :wtf: This is *Democratic* Underground, and the far-right-wing Palin is THE ENEMY...

Palin is much farther right than McCain; and she represents McCain's first big decision (whether having her on the ticket was his idea or not); and she's a seriously close heatbeat away from the presidency. The America we once knew has taken a brutal pounding these past eight years -- and Palin and her ilk have led the way on this path to destruction. If McCain/Palin get into office by hook or crook, this country -- that's on life-support now -- will have its plug pulled.

Palin is the absolute antithesis of what fair-minded, common-sense Americans want in their candidates and potential leaders.

That, in a nutshell, is the reason for the "total shitstorm." And may the shitstorm continue unabated, and may it permeate as much of this country as possible between now and the election. :grr:

[Fumesucker]

126. Palin is the absolute antithesis of what fair-minded, common-sense Americans want in their candidat

Well said..


Right on the money.

[pnorman]

109. It's like a cheap drunk

It'll soon wear off, and leave a massive headache in it's place. In the meantime, I read elsewhere on DU, that post-Palin contributions to Obama were significantly HIGHER than to McCain (~10 to 1?).

I agree to a certain degree with the OP, that all this frenzy is aiding the bogus appeal of Ms. Palin. So lets all take a deep breath and chill out. Stay cool; exactly two months left to go. Lets all concentrate on WINNING! The fate of the entire world hangs on this election.

pnorman

[spin]

110. SHE'S A DECOY...

She's causing Democrats to lose their focus on the real battle between McCain and Obama. The more the Democrats pick on her, the more the undecided votes will go to McCain. The more cruel comments we make, the more we fire up the base of the Republican Party. If they get pissed at how she treated, they'll hold their nose and come out out to vote for McCain. She may even attract some PUMAs if they feel she's being mistreated like they felt Hillary was.

If we concentrate on her, we stand a good chance of losing another close election.

It's beginning to look like McCain didn't make a stupid decision but instead pulled off a brilliant strategic move. We are falling into his trap.

[spin]

111. self delete ....duplicate

[Festivito]

112. Condensing years of shit into one storm.

Time usually gives these stories a real sinking-in see-what-floats chance for the public to work its collective wisdom. In this case there is no time.

And there is so much rich material with this one, despite her rather young age.

[johnaries]

114. Well, several reasons

#1 - she's such an easy target. She was never vetted, and there is so much more to go after
#2 - the McCain ploy was so obvious. select a woman to grab the woman's vote
#3 - see #2: it just shows how "out of touch" and what a sexist McCain truly is: any woman will do!
#4 - Palin is the anti-Hillary. Hillary wanted to progress Women's Rights. Palin wants to show that Women can do "just fine, thank you" as long as they listen to their husbands.
#5 - see #'s 1-4: it's a cumulative effect.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

116. Because every guy here secretly wants to nail her,

and the ladies know it!


-------------------------------------------
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.
--H. G. Wells

[Vickers]

117. I'd hit it!

With an Obama/Biden vote!

:P

[HughBeaumont]

137. Nah.

Maybe if I was like in my 50s and there was no one better in the immediate vicinity.

Sooner or later though, she'd ruin things by talking.

I prefer my women to, you know, NOT be whack-a-ding-dong creationist gun nut hypocrites.

[Jacobin]

122. Yeah, Really. Why don't people want a book burning

nitwit, anti-choice, fundamentalist whack job just a heart beat away from a 72 year old cancer victim president?

I'm genuinely puzzled.

What's YOUR theory?

[terrya]

124. We should be defining McCain.

I don't quite get the obsession with her, also.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

125. Because she takes politics from merely annoying to fully ludicrous.

She even surpasses the frat boy as an object of ridicule.

[AgadorSparticus]

127. I caught about 60 seconds of her speech and was all I could tolerate. She's just NASTY. eewwwwwww

Straight from the gutter with nice glasses. not hard to figure out yet another republican prop....

[KillCapitalism]

131. Bush is responsible for the death of 1 million or more people...

but Palin could cause the deaths of hundreds of millions easily. Imagine her as President and Medevedev/Putin make a move against Poland for instance. I could see her being crazy enough to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against Russia. Does anyone else see this?

[MsTryska]

132. because she makes our collective heads explode?

I'm sorry - there's a lot of folks who can't vote for a black man out there.

I can't vote for someone who's daughter is preggers out of wedlock, and they are perfectly ok with it - and are christian conservatives. I just can't do it.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

135. Get real! --daughter is preggers out of wedlock?

Give me a break!
There's a plethora of reasons to vote against Palin, her daughter is NOT one of them!

[Fumesucker]

136. It's what the demonstrated hypocrisy says about Sarah Palin..

We all know what the Republican reaction would be if one of Obama's girls was pregnant out of wedlock..

Watching them fawn over the sperm donor baby daddy was revolting..

[asteroid2003QQ47]

139. Seizing on the 'pregnant out of wedlock" out of...

the multitude of issues available is playing the game by fundie rules.
You concede to those crazy bastards the right to make rules to for everyone to live by!
Roughly 50% of marriages end in divorce, it is a failed concept in a failed society.
Marriage is in a steady state of decline due in a large part to the failure rate.

Pick another issue to hammer her on.

[MyNameGoesHere]

133. Well because she puts lipstick on animals

Anyone that does that needs to scorned 24/7

[baby_mouse]

134. Nothing else to freak out over at the moment. NT

[treestar]

138. Because it is the news of the moment

And McWar's pick is so outrageous.

We just can't believe he so insulted the voters with this and that there seems to be no bottom on the vile hypocrisy and brazenness of the Republican party. Top that off with our fear and distrust of the other voters (after all, the let Rove win twice,or at least let him get close enough to steal). Every four years we have this hope and think they've finally hit bottom, but are shocked to learn they haven't.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

140. Why? Americans are addicted to the blame game, and take special delight...

in blaming the victim, that's, in a large part, why. How is it she's a victim you might well ask?
In 2006 Palin's parents are quoted in the Anchorage Daily News as saying,
"Her Christian faith, they say, came from her mother, who took her children to area Bible churches as they were growing up (Sarah is the third of four siblings). They say her faith has been steady since high school, when she led the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and grew stronger as she sought out believers in her college years."
http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/religion-and-sarah-palin-1.html

Now consider what Lenin meant when he said, "
Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
Churches/cults, when searching for fresh victims to 'inculcate,' take special delight when parents offer up their children.

Sarah Palin exhibits the classic symptoms of one who suffers from the Stockholm Syndrome.
"How can this insidious condition be cured? The most important thing to keep in mind is that getting angry at the victim of an abusive relationship, demanding that they recognize the wrongs being done to them and "snap out of it", does no good. As maddening as it may seem to watch a fellow human being live in thrall to an abuser, even to turn against people who try to help, IT MUST BE REMEMBERED THAT IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT; THEY ARE ONLY DOING WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY MUST DO TO SURVIVE.
<>
ALL OF THIS IS JUST AS TRUE FOR VICTIMS OF THE UNHEALTHY THEISTIC 'RELATIONSHIP' AS FOR THOSE TRAPPED IN AN ABUSIVE HUMAN RELATIONSHIP."
(caps mine)
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/relationship.html

The DU "scorn, ridicule, and vitriol" would more appropriately be directed at Palin's abuser, her mother!
So, when you go to the polls to vote against Sarah, a modicum of heartfelt compassion for those victims who share her plight would not be out of order.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

141. Dupe/delete

[Poseidan]

142. Palin

Every awful thing done by America, both domestically and abroad, has come from the same group - Republicans/Confederates. They started the Civil War. They started Vietnam. They started the current Iraq war. They were the primary instigators and propagators of the Cold War. Before them, the US and Russia were allies. They are currently causing new problems with Russia. In a world filled with nuclear weapons, they constantly instigate new wars - in an apparent bid for global suicide. Everything the world hates about the United States comes from the Republican party. Eliminating the Republican party is the best thing the United States can do for itself and the world.

McCain - not so much like the other Republicans.

Palin - a virtual clone of everything wrong with the Republican party, and everything wrong with the past 8 years. The only difference is she would be 100x worse. Bush's incompetence could not compare.

Luckily, if she did become President, she would likely screw up so badly, she would be almost immediately impeached, taking with her the remaining splinters of the Republican party. Even they know how bad the choice is. At this moment, they put on a fake face, so their stockholders do not lose confidence and sell whatever stock remains. The Republican party is heading where it has taken itself - to the bottom of the deep, dark sea.