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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:04 AM
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ATTENTION!! When Protest Is Terrorism: RNC 8 Charged as Terrorists Under State Patriot Act
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 03:25 AM by Andre II
In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002 Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism. Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald, and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty.

Affidavits released by law enforcement which were filed in support of the search warrants used in raids over the weekend, and used to support probable cause for the arrest warrants, are based on paid, confidential informants who infiltrated the RNCWC on behalf of law enforcement. They allege that members of the group sought to kidnap delegates to the RNC, assault police officers with firebombs and explosives, and sabotage airports in St. Paul. Evidence released to date does not corroborate these allegations with physical evidence or provide any other evidence for these allegations than the claims of the informants. Based on past abuses of such informants by law enforcement, the National Lawyers Guild is concerned that such police informants have incentives to lie and exaggerate threats of violence and to also act as provacateurs in raising and urging support for acts of violence.

“These charges are an effort to equate publicly stated plans to blockade traffic and disrupt the RNC as being the same as acts of terrorism. This both trivializes real violence and attempts to place the stated political views of the Defendants on trial,” said Bruce Nestor, President of the Minnesota Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild. “The charges represent an abuse of the criminal justice system and seek to intimidate any person organizing large scale public demonstrations potentially involving civil disobedience, he said.”

The criminal complaints filed by the Ramsey County Attorney do not allege that any of the defendants personally have engaged in any act of violence or damage to property. The complaints list all of alleged violations of law during the last few days of the RNC — other than violations of human rights carried out by law enforcement — and seeks to hold the 8 defendants responsible for acts committed by other individuals. None of the defendants have any prior criminal history involving acts of violence. Searches conducted in connection with the raids failed to turn up any physical evidence to support the allegations of organized attacks on law enforcement. Although claiming probable cause to believe that gunpowder, acids, and assembled incendiary devices would be found, no such items were seized by police. As a result, police sought to claim that the seizure of common household items such as glass bottles, charcoal lighter, nails, a rusty machete, and two hatchets, supported the allegations of the confidential informants. “Police found what they claim was a single plastic shield, a rusty machete, and two hatchets used in Minnesota to split wood. This doesn’t amount to evidence of an organized insurrection, particularly when over 3,500 police are present in the Twin Cities, armed with assault rifles, concussion grenades, chemical weapons and full riot gear,” said Nestor. In addition, the National Lawyers Guild has previously pointed out how law enforcement has fabricated evidence such as the claims that urine was seized which demonstrators intended to throw at police.

More here:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20690.htm
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:09 AM
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1. wow..they are trying to fry those people.....n/t
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 03:24 AM
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2. This is what it's been about since day one.
9/11 was a convenient excuse for introducing the kinds of draconian laws the GOP has been hankering after for thirty years. Right back to Tricky Dicky and his "no knock" malarky, the primary agenda of Republican politics has been the total control of the population and the elimination of political discourse. They've tried it countless times, but only with the help of Osama Bin Laden and his chums could they really get the kind of traction they needed to erect the apparatus of a police state. The Patriot Act is the cornerstone of that apparatus. Couple the Patriot Act with the steady, cynical dilution of the word "terrorism" to mean anything the government doesn't like, and you have the perfect recipe for totalitarianism.

America is now a totalitarian state. The government, the media, the major corporations, the military and the police all march together in lockstep. Elections are rigged and the judiciary is utterly corrupt. Face it, our democracy is dead.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 02:26 PM
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13. We are a totalitarian state. America is gone.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:28 AM
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3. whenever there are paid confidential informants
you can tell where that's gonna lead. Jeeezuzonasurfboard, I have a rusty machete, some cans of gas, a hatchet, some canned goods and whatnot, but down here, they're called hurricane supplies.

Our country died, and it died because people believed in smirking chimps.

Now what?
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 06:28 AM
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4. Fuckers haven't convicted a single terrorist
but are now charging US Citizens with terrorism? Thought Crimes? I don't like this at all.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 06:32 AM
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5. It is just fine to use "terrorism" as a means of exaggerating charges against people
but "hate crime?"

errrr... not so much


god bless amurrika
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 07:41 AM
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6. this chills me to the bone
they wouldn't charge those three people in denver with terrorism although they were reportedly there trying to assassinate barack obama. but these free speech advocates are terrorists?!

point me to their legal fund. sigh
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 07:51 AM
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7. but we wouldn't even want to charge anyone threatening to assassinate obama, would we?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:00 AM
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8. dissent=terrorism in Fascistamerica
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:02 AM
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9. This means these American Citizens can be DISAPPEARED.
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 08:06 AM by annabanana
THAT is how the law is written. THAT is how it is on the books right now. If you went to that city (maybe skipped out on the first week of classes) and didn't tell your Mom & Dad... to protest at the convention. .

THEY WOULD LOOK FOR YOU FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:16 AM
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10. THEY WOULD LOOK FOR YOU FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES
Shades of Argentina. http://www.desaparecidos.org/arg/eng.html

Nothing has ever sent chills down my spine on this site like what you just wrote.
Our country is in deep shit.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:21 PM
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14. Did you watch the movie "Rendition"? n/t
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:22 AM
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11. It is the other way around for me. The Police are terrorizing ME.
They have put me at risk of exaggerated charges, false charges, fabricated charges, and with no probable cause add unlawful detention. But, worse is use of a terrorism law that allows my life to be forfeit!

This is madness. These police and prosecutors need to be tried in a court as terrorists to the people of the United States of America. They'll try to stack the jury with people they don't think think. But, I bet even those people will start thinking.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 02:17 PM
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12. an unashamed kick
:kick:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:24 PM
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15. They said this law would only be used against real terrorists...
...but we said we were afraid of the power it gives authority.

They said we were paranoid and that it would never be used against political protesters.

Well, as we now see, only a few years later it is finally being used the way we feared it would.

Looks like we weren't "paranoid" conspiracy theorists afterall.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:27 PM
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16. This is a state law, not the federal Patriot Act.
I know Minnesota has a Repub governor. Is the Legisture that passed this thing also in GOP hands?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:30 PM
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17.  Detainee alleges torture in Ramsey County jail
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:55 PM
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18. This makes my heart hurt. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 01:28 AM
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19. This is the "trial balloon". If we don't deal with this forcefully and effectively NOW it will be
the wave of the future.

THE ONLY HOPE IS A MASSIVE CAMPAIGN TO GET OUR SENATORS, CONGRESSMEN AND OBAMA AND BIDEN TO STAND AGAINST THIS OUTRAGE.

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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 08:51 AM
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20. Kicking
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