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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:11 PM
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Cheney in Georgia, Rice in Lybia. Attack on Iran planned?
I wonder. Congress isn't in session is it? No tin foil hat here, just wondering how one might get Cheney and Rice to account for their visits.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:54 PM
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1. there will be no attack on iran
it`s bad for business
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 11:11 PM
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5. And they are allied with Russia and China
not to mention South America.

No, not good for business OR survival.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:32 PM
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7. I disagree its coming in a week or two Iran war is good for
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 12:35 PM by lovuian
some...it may even cause disruption in the election
which we all know will make some people very happy

Netherlands has pulled their embassy people out because they were told Iran War is coming soon

I only pray now for a Miracle of Sanity in the US military

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Exua2b5LY
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:51 PM
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2. I don't think so. I think it's about guaranteeing oil supplies.
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 06:29 PM by Dover
Because of this:

Russia's Gazprom Keeps the Heat on Europe by Pressing Libya
Posted by Matt in July 13th, 2008

http://www.1913intel.com/2008/07/13/gazprom-keeps-the-heat-on-europe-by-pressing-libya/

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Guaranteeing supplies is also one reason why Italy recently paid billions in compensation for their earlier "occupation" of Libya.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080830.wcompensation30/CommentStory/International/

and France has recently done major deals, selling a nuclear reactor and arms to Libya.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12234123

While critics slammed the France/Libya deal:
http://archive.japantoday.com/jp/news/413420

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U.S. signs compensation deal with Libya:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7542568.stm


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Oh, and Cheney is trying to resurrect the Nabucco pipeline deal which took a big blow after the
Georgia attack and investors started to see just how vulnerable the Nabucco pipeline was.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x381443

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So my guess is Libya is taking full advantage of the competition and its position in the supply chain. And the U.S. and some countries in Europe are bending over backwards to secure a deal.

However there could also be some 'other discussions' about Iran, as may have been insinuated
in the last paragraph of this Guardian article -

The US and Libya are expected to sign a trade and investment deal. They are also negotiating a "military memorandum of understanding" on combating terrorism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/06/libya.usa?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

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U.S. And Libya - where do we go from here?

http://www.akhbarlibya-english.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=894&Itemid=43

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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 06:41 PM
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3. thanks for those links. nt
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 07:46 PM
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4. You're welcome. Any clues where Biden might take us regarding all this?
He talks about 'big oil' but as far as I can tell oil/gas and other resources are the
basis for just about every battle this country has involved itself in, in the last
several decades at least. I heard him mention going into Afghanistan in his convention
speech.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:17 PM
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6. I certainly can't speak for Biden, but he's very aware of oil driving the politics
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 12:19 PM by JoeIsOneOfUs
He held a SFRC hearing a few months ago on oil and political power with a focus on Russia, former Soviet Republics, etc., including Georgia, where the built and proposed pipelines are, etc. He certainly views our lack of energy independence as a major national security weakness for the U.S. He's concerned about Russian control of oil in that region, and about the need for more high-level diplomacy.

http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2008/hrg080612p.html has link at the top to the hearing video itself; his statement is here:

http://biden.senate.gov/press/statements/statement/?id=f200ba2a-b14c-4c91-89bc-a10e6a2a297f

a few excerpts

...

“It is played out in a region rife with its own historical instabilities, shifting alliances, and shaky regimes. And this region is one of immense importance to our security and the security of our allies. It is mostly Muslim nations that are uncertain whether to look West or East. Its hydrocarbons fuel Europe and could offer additional supply for a global market that is maxed out.

“But there are also opportunities there for us to pursue, opportunities for diplomatic and security success that could contribute to a more stable region and a more stable global energy future. These opportunities are there, but only if we seize them, only if we give this region and these challenges the attention, resources, and diplomatic skill they need – at the highest level.

“As complicated as the flows of oil and gas into, through, and out of this region look on a map, the basic elements we will examine today are clear.

“Russia controls the old, Soviet-era infrastructure for moving oil and gas in the region. That infrastructure reinforces Russian influence, because on top of its own oil and gas, Russia is the major buyer of its neighbors’ hydrocarbon resources and a major seller of those same resources, through its pipelines to Europe. That arrangement suits Russia just fine.

“As we discussed in our hearing yesterday on Sovereign Wealth Funds, Russia has amassed a ‘Stabilization Fund’ of over $127 billion. They have used some of that wealth to buy into the parent company of Airbus, and have threatened to expand those holdings substantially. That company is a major European defense supplier.

“No wonder the President and Prime Minister of Russia spend more time running Gazprom than they do running the country. It is not just the sheer volume of oil and money that is enhancing Russia’s power. They have shown that they are willing to use their dominance of both ends of most existing pipelines to extract not just economic deals, but, increasingly, political influence.

“Russians love chess. Our strategic response on the chess board of Central Asia must be to establish a presence on parts of the board they do not yet control. That means laying down new pipelines that add alternatives - that introduce real competition - to the monopoly Russia has enjoyed. Giving more choices to both suppliers and customers should help wring waste and inefficiency out of the system – bringing a situation where supply and demand, not threats and bribes, set prices.

...

“And we need diplomacy to forge a common strategy among energy consuming countries in Europe, a shared effort that can confront Russian dominance. That puts diplomacy at the center of our approach to this region. A key question for this hearing must be: are we deploying the diplomatic resources, the attention, this issue demands?

...

“One way to form a common response to the power of energy exporters is a global deal to reduce the threat of climate change by cutting emissions from fossil fuels. That will mean global-scale commitment to alternatives and to rules that give investors a predictable future, a smart deal that protects economic growth. The longer we delay that deal, the longer we delay our own domestic energy and climate plan, the weaker our hand in dealing with Russia, or with OPEC. Our addiction empowers them.

“I have worked with Senator Lugar on a Resolution calling for renewed U.S. leadership in international climate negotiations. Progress on those talks will be part of a move away from our dependence on oil, the root of so many of our foreign policy issues."

...




The downside of him being swept up into the VP position was not getting a public briefing from him about his trip to Georgia. I'm very curious what he saw and heard there; all we know is his proposal for humanitarian aid.

With Condi and Cheney running around the world making who knows what deals, I would love to have Biden hold a hearing when the Senate is back in session on some of these issues.

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