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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:18 PM
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****Palin's AIP connected to terrorists*****
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 08:55 PM by seemslikeadream
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/palins-aip-connected-to-terror.php


Because John McCain has not learned how to 'watch the internet' or 'use the Google,' it has been left to the public to vet Sarah Palin for him. I was curious what shady types would attend
separatist conventions, such as the one in Tennessee, where the AIP Vice Chairman Dexter Clark extolled the virtues of their candidate Sarah Palin.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column

I expected that hatred for the American Federal Government would bring white supremacists (as speculated in the Daily Kos:

http://larry-madill.dailykos.com/

and small time individual hate criminals into their circus tent. But I did
not expect AIP to link itself to a foreign terrorist group personally funded by
Osama Bin Laden, that has been merging into Al Qaeda for years, is linked to 4
of the 9/11 hijackers, and other Al Qaeda attacks. That's right, the
Palins are only 2 or 3 degrees removed from the man that McCain swears he would
pursue to the gates of hell (Osama Bin Laden). Links below:


The LA Times broke the story that the AIP has a link to the Chechen separatists on its website. "The AIP's website also provides helpful links to other secessionist groups, including the Southern Independence Party of Tennessee (which boasts of going after "these Politically Correct Liberal Communist, Ulster nationalists and Chechen separatists.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column

Remembering the Beslan school and hospital massacres, and Russian bus and tram bombings, I had to read that twice. I have now compiled an overview of the increasingly indistinguishable relationship between the AIP's Chechen friends and Al Qaeda:

The Al Qaeda/Chechen Separatist relationship has been evolving since the 1990s. The Bush Administration initially downplayed the Russian assertions that the Chechen terrorists were affiliated with Al Qaeda. However, President Bush later acknowledged Russia's claims, stating: "We do believe there's some al Qaeda folks in Chechnya."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/22/MN85469.DTL

'Washington also called on Chechen separatists to "cut all contact with international terrorist groups."'

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/22/MN85469.DTL

'Some terrorism experts say the West erred by dismissing Russia's claims for so long', Rohan Gunaratna, the author of "Inside Al Qaeda" states, "The initial wave of terrorists who are now coming to Europe trained in Chechnya or Algeria".

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Jihad-In-Chechnya26apr03.htm

"According to the U.S. State Department, the Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade (IIPB) is the primary channel for Islamic funding of the Chechen guerillas, in part through links to al-Qaeda-related financiers on the Arabian Peninsula."

http://www.cfr.org/publications/9181/

It now appears that the Chechen separatists receive funding even more directly than via Al Qaeda channels, being personally funded by Osama Bin Laden himself. "Russia is exaggerating al Qaeda's contribution but not bin Laden's interest in the Chechen rebel cause. According to Gunaratna, the terrorist leader used a Persian Gulf bank to help finance the militants, at one point even ordering an investigation into whether some Chechen leaders had siphoned off funds for themselves." http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Jihad-In-Chechnya26apr03.htm

The central strategic importance to Al Qaeda of the Chechen separatists against the United States was explained by Bin Laden's #2 man, Ayman al-Zawahiri (who was himself captured and released in 1997 while trying to enter Chechnya): "This poses a direct threat to the United States....the only thing that will separate them from Afghanistan will be the neutral state of Turkmenistan. This will form a mujahid Islamic belt to the south of Russia...." resulting in "....fragmentation of the Russian Federation....will topple a basic ally of the United States in its battle against the Islamic jihadist reawakening."

http://www.meforum.org/article/744

The 'chief ideologue of the separatists and a "terrorist"' was the former Chechen President Yandarbiyev (until he was blown up in Qatar).

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE3DD1F3AF937A25751C0A9629C8B63 "Yanderbiyev was not judged to be a terrorist by Russia alone - he was on the UN blacklist as well. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m_qn4158/is_20061121/ai_n16856084

Yanderbiyev was on the "United Nations list of groups and people with suspected links to Osama bin Laden's network, Al Qaeda."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE3DD1F3AF937A25751C0A9629C8B63

The roles of Chechen separatist commanders and foreign Al Qaeda commanders stationed in Chechnya in terrorist attacks can be seen graphically in anti-terrorism expert Evan Kohlmann's chart (with dotted red boxes around their photos):

http://www.globalterroralert.com/islamicarmycaucusas3.pdf




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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:43 PM
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1. kickity
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:43 PM
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2. also a connection with Tim McVeigh
the founder of the Michigan Militia, Norman Olsen, moved to Alaska just so he could join the AIP. Hey Sarah, birds of a feather.......

http://www.akip.org/guest.html
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:49 PM
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3. Here's a tasty Joe Vogler quote:

(...)

It's untrue that Palin has no foreign policy experience, anyway. In fact, she appears to have seriously flirted with the idea of trying to turn Alaska into a foreign country. How many vice presidential candidates can put that on their resumes?

Over the years, Palin has actively courted the Alaska Independence Party, or AIP, an organization that supports Alaskan secession from the U.S. To be clear, we're not necessarily talking about friendly secession either: As the AIP's founder, Joe Vogler, told an interviewer in 1991: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. ... And I won't be buried under their damn flag."



(...)

The McCain campaign denies that Palin ever joined the AIP. But while it is in dispute whether she attended its 1994 convention, she did visit the 2000 one and addressed AIP conventions in 2006 and 2008. Her husband, Todd, was a registered AIP member from 1995 to 2002, and the AIP leadership certainly considers her one of their own.


Love this last line, too:


"McCain has always promised that his ticket would show "independence." We just didn't realize it was going to be this kind."


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:54 PM
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5. WHERE'S JOE?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:08 PM
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48. There are people in texas that look up to her for that.
Seriously, they've written about it on web discussion boards. They think that she's a breath away from seceding from that horrible federal gubmint is a lovely thing.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:52 PM
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4. gee, will it never end for Palin?
It's like a scandal a day for her.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 08:54 PM
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6. ALASKA FIRST ALASKA ALWAYS
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:21 AM
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19. morning kick
thanks
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Ranting_Wacko Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:30 PM
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7. Why isn't this being reported on?!? -nt-
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:38 PM
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35. the reporters are afraid of being labeled liberal inciters, and that they'll lose their jobs.
AP's new head is a right winger also. I hope Keith tears this apart!
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:33 PM
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8. Recommendedissimus - this needs huge amounts of attention.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:56 AM
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9. "AIP" is . . .?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:05 AM
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10. Alaska Independence Party
The one that wants Alaska to secede from the US.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:14 AM
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11. It was at the bottom of my OP
:hi:

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:42 AM
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12. K&R!
thank you :-)
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:37 AM
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13. Holy Crap!!!!!
If we can boil this down to a soundbite, McCain is completely done.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:41 AM
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14. soundbite
"Country first? Which country? Alaska?"
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:52 PM
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51. Palin first, *then* Alaska, country a distant third.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 05:52 PM by mwb970
The founder of the AIP said "We're Alaskans, not Americans." I really believe that about Sarah. I have not yet seen any evidence from her of true American patriotism. (I'm not counting the two giant flag lapel pins she usually wears.)

I see Palin as an inexperienced, ignorant "instant celebrity" with all the gravitas of Paris Hilton. Oh wait, Paris at least had an energy plan. I should say that Palin has the all the gravitas of Britney Spears.
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:32 AM
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21. "Palin is from the Timothy McVeigh wing of the Republican party"
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:50 AM
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15. Sarah the Special Needs candidate ain't ready for prime time yet
Too "Special" to run America!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:02 AM
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16. Excuse me?!
:wow:

and

:kick:

and

Lordy please let this one be true and not just another Fox Mulder pipe-dream :rofl:

Hekate


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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:25 AM
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17. K & R
:kick:
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:26 AM
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18. kr
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:32 AM
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20. no words. k&r
:kick:
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:58 AM
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22. Proof?
Is there 100% proof that Paleface was really connected to this Group? Real proof? Her Church(s) is a Terrorist Group I think.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:26 PM
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23. Obama gets raked over the coals for his pastor but Pain's OWN HUSBAND
is a member of a group affiliated with TERRORISTS and it's 'leave the family alone' and 'I won't ask about the AIP' (Gibson).

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

The ability of the GOP to forgive wrongdoing and TREASON in their own ranks is truly ASTOUNDING. :puke:
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:40 PM
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24. Hmmm, Palin's are traitors involved directly with terrorists?
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 01:41 PM by EnviroBat
Doesn't surprise me in the least. they've been in bed with republican terrorists for years.

Why is this bitch not in jail?
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:44 PM
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25. Three cheers for the Internets.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:53 PM
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26. Afternoon Kick
and rec. I guess there's no use in asking why she and her husband aren't in jail when the whole * admin are running around loose.

The GOP's ability to overlook a little thing like treason yet rail on and on and on and on and frickin' on about a goddam lapel pin is just mind-blowing.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:54 PM
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27. Is this info being sent to anyone
who can make a difference? Obama campaign? Joe Biden? The FBI?
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:55 PM
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28. thanks for all this, seemslikeadream
:popcorn:

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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:09 PM
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29. Most of those links
are dead
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:22 PM
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31. 3 = most? (nt)
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:18 PM
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30. K&R Bookmarked.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:23 PM
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32. Most Right Wingers Always Were Separitists...
especially in the south. You'll find most of them still bitching about the civil war...


so yeah... it's ironic that they would ever call anyone else anti-American.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:04 PM
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47. That's what I've been thinking about lately after hearing about the AIP...
They have a contempt for authority (the rule of law) unless they are the rulers. Then they go fascistic and use the power of the state to kill democracy.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:37 PM
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33. oh boy.... more food for the buffet table! she's a meal ticket!
what a lousy person this Palin is....
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:37 PM
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34. It's pretty clear that Sarah Palin's rush to Alaska wasn't to avoid Trig being born in Texas ...
... she didn't want that baby being born in the lower 48, period. I have to wonder how much of that was Todd's insistence.

If someone could do a simple flow chart (third-grade level so the Repubs can understand it), it would help to clarify who is connected with whom.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:41 PM
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36. I guess the Patriot Act and the illegal domestic wire tapping hasn't caught up to her yet!!
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:44 PM
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37. K&R
This all needs to be put in simple terms and put in an ad.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:48 PM
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38. K & R (nt)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:49 PM
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39. It doesn't count if they're white.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:01 PM
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40. Woah! The Chechens are Scary
They are not a group you want to associate with.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:05 PM
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41. If this doesn't bring the McPalin farce down - then the American people
deserve what they get and I'm off to Canada!
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bjnumb9 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:32 PM
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42. God damn, why does my state (TN) always have to be tied to
some stupid shit?

I swear to you, not everyone in this state, or in the South, is a complete moron.

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mumbojumbo Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:45 PM
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43. The first dude is one scary character
Todd is always lurking in the shadows. Sarah will not release emails (claiming executive priv) but Todd was cc'd on all of them. Can you imagine if Michelle were a member of this group? 24x7 loops and hounded by the press. Oh yeah, I forgot...she's a maverick.
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:47 PM
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44. Whoah!
:o
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:50 PM
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45. K & R
Great post
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:51 PM
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46. K&R!. This white supremacist link, McVeigh, etc. is hot. McVeigh's car had...
a copy of "The Turner Diaries".


The Turner Diaries is a 1978 novel written by the late William Luther Pierce (leader of the white supremacist organization National Alliance) under the pseudonym "Andrew Macdonald".<1> The Turner Diaries depicts a violent revolution in the United States which leads to the overthrow of the United States federal government and, ultimately, to the extermination of all Jews and non-whites, <2> leaving an all white world population of fifty million.

The novel was initially only available through mail order and at gun shows, and partially serialized in National Alliance publications. The novel is now available for sale through mainstream book sources (ISBN 1-56980-086-3), or freely available from white supremacist websites. In 2000 it was reported to have sold about 500,000 copies.<1><3>





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 04:57 PM
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49. Guilt by association, baby...
a two-way street.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:16 PM
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50. So 17 of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 had ties to either the Bush Family or Cheney's Halliburton...
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 05:16 PM by KansDem
And now this:

That's right, the Palins are only 2 or 3 degrees removed from the man that McCain swears he would pursue to the gates of hell (Osama Bin Laden).

Why are American neo-cons so in bed with global terrorism? It boggles the mind!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:37 PM
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52. Excellent dot connecting as usual, SLAD!
:applause:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:58 PM
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53. Ok kids.
Where did a lot of the AIP goons come from? The Pacific Northwest, Idaho and generally, wherever the most radical of the right tries to hide themselves, like the Ozarks as well.

Who do we seek out for more information on all of this?

David Neiwert. He has chronicled all of it. And I mean all.

Timmy McVeigh was a useful idiot for the really bad actors. You can be sure that a lot of those bad actors are now using the wide and desolate expanses of Alaska to give them the room they need to carry on.

Quick question: Do Sarah and Todd have any connection to The Phineas Priests?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 07:59 PM
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54. And a polar bear on their bumpersticker . . .
DU, redefining irony yet again!
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:22 PM
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55. but..but....according to factcheck.org...
Palin was never registered with AIP :shrug:

It's all so confusing!!!1! :cry:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:34 PM
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56. kick.
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